The Netherlands to become the First NATO Country to buy (Israel) IMI's Iron Fist APS

[DavidSling]

BAE Systems has received a contract from the Netherlands for the testing and verification of IMI's Iron Fist Active Protection Systems on its CV90 Infantry Fighting Vehicles

Ami Rojkes Dombe | 25/12/2016

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BAE Systems, the manufacturer of the Dutch CV9035 variant vehicles, will lead the APS integration. BAE Systems will also carry out the future installation of the system, called Iron Fist, developed by Israeli supplier IMI Systems. Iron Fist is an automated system that uses radar to detect and track threats and then takes action to eliminate the threat.

Active Protection is an advanced solution consisting of countermeasures that can intercept incoming rocket-propelled grenades, anti-tank missiles, and other threats to increase crew and vehicle survivability.

“Iron Fist will give the Dutch Army a highly sophisticated defensive tool on its CV90s to counter threats and improve the safety of the vehicle and its crew,” said Tommy Gustafsson-Rask, managing director of Sweden-based BAE Systems Hägglunds. “Iron Fist is yet another example of the advanced technology BAE Systems and its partners can deliver to our customers.”

The integration of this advanced APS solution onto the Dutch CV90s demonstrates the vehicle’s adaptability to new and evolving technologies to meet customer-specific requirements.

“During this test phase we will pre-qualify the active system against our threat specification, and together with our partners analyze system safety and prepare for its integration onto our CV9035NL vehicles,” said Hans de Goeij, project manager at the Netherlands Defense Materiel Organization, Ministry of Defense. “We expect to make a decision on the next phase by early 2018. With Iron Fist, the Netherlands is expected to become the first NATO country with an Active Protection System of its kind on combat vehicles.”

http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/28009
https://defence.pk/threads/active-protection-system-aps-for-tanks.418153/#post-8086841

@Penguin @500 @Natan @Archdemon @GBU-28 @F-15I @mike2000 is back @Blue Marlin @Mountain Jew @Beny Karachun @Adir-M @Ilay

 

[Friendly]

Good decision .

IRON FIST provides a combined Soft-and Hard-Kill Active protection System, adaptable to various platforms from light vehicles to heavy AFVs.

IRON FIST employs a sophisticated, multi-sensor early warning system, utilizing both infrared and radar sensors, providing the crew with enhanced situational awareness and early warning from potential threats. Upon a threat warning, the modular system employs the multi-layered defenses, comprising electro-optical jammers, Instantaneous smoke screens and, if necessary, an interceptor-based hard kill Active Protection System (APS). The IRON FIST effectively protects against the full spectrum of Anti-Tank (AT) threats including AT Rockets fired at short range, in open area or urban environment, AT Guided Missiles, High Explosive AT and Kinetic Energy rounds.

The IRON FIST is currently in advanced development at IMI. The company has installed the system for demonstrations in light and heavy armored vehicles, where IRON FIST capability demonstrators underwent full end-to-end interception tests, against all threat types, operating on the move and in urban scenarios. In these installations, IRON FIST proved highly effective, with its wide angle protection, minimal weight penalty and modest integration requirements.

IRON FIST APS was selected by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) as the Active Protection System designed to protect the Namer heavy infantry fighting vehicle.

 

[Penguin]

We need the CV9035NLs to have this, because we have only 18 or so Leo2 operational and so must be able to rely on other remaining armor in the inventory. Untill new tanks arrive ;-) But even then ...

 

[Oublious]

We need the CV9035NLs to have this, because we have only 18 or so Leo2 operational and so must be able to rely on other remaining armor in the inventory. Untill new tanks arrive ;-) But even then ...

Which tank are you talking about?

 

[Gothic]

The first and perhaps the last , i wonder where the dutch are going to use their tanks , in syria , or in the next great middle eastern war supporting israel ?

 

[TruthHurtz]

The Netherlands will nether use it!

 

[Penguin]

Which tank are you talking about?

On 15 September 2015, the Dutch government published that the army will have 16 tanks put out of storage (Leo 2 A6) and 18 are to be leased from Germany for a new tank squadron by 2016 as part of a German armoured battalion (and since Germany operates Leo 2 A6, A6M and A7 tanks, the 18 leased are likely also A6s or A6Ms).

In May 2015, the German Defense Ministry announced plans to develop a successor to the Leopard 2 tank, likely to be named the Leopard 3, which may be developed in cooperation with France. The Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) will be preceded by incremental upgrades to the Leopard 2, including a new digital turret core system and situational awareness system and an Active Protection System (APS). A short-term lethality increase will come from a higher pressure 120 mm gun firing new ammunition, expected to deliver 20 percent better performance than the L55, with mid-term efforts focusing on a 130 mm cannon concept offering 50 percent better armor penetration performance. The MGCS concept development phase should be completed by 2017

The Dutch 43rd Mechanized Brigade (which has our remaning heavy armor) will be integrated into the 1st Panzer Division (Bundeswehr) of the German army. In the past, the 1st Panzer Division has deployed to the Balkans, Afghanistan and to several peacekeeping operations. Integration started at the beginning of 2016, and the unit will become operational at the end of 2019. The Dutch-German military cooperation are seen as an example for setting up a European defense union. Hence, any new Dutch tanks will be following the German army aqcuisitions.

The first and perhaps the last , i wonder where the dutch are going to use their tanks , in syria , or in the next great middle eastern war supporting israel ?

In Europe itself we have only one threat of real concern: from the East. Any MBTs use would be on our own territories (ACC/Shape area), in defensive roles. This has been the case since WW2. Secondary uses would be any intra-European 'break up' scenario's like we had in Yugoslavia.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/structure.htm

The Netherlands will nether use it!

The I (Netherlands) Corps stood watch alongside its NATO allies in Germany during the Cold War. The corps consisted of three divisions during the 1980s, the 1st, 4th, and 5th (reserve) divisions. It was part of the NATO Northern Army Group. The corps's war assignment, as formulated by Commander, Northern Army Group (COMNORTHAG), would be to:

• Assume responsibility for its corps sector and relieve 1st German Corps forces as soon as possible.
• Fight the covering force battle in accordance with COMNORTHAG's concept of operations.
• In the main defensive battle: (1) hold and destroy the forces of the enemy's leading armies conventionally as far east as possible, maintaining cohesion with 1 (GE) Corps; (2) in the event of a major penetration affecting 1 (NL) Corps sector, be prepared to hold the area between the roads A7 and B3 and to conduct a counterattack according to COMNORTHAG's concept of operations.
• Maintain cohesion with LANDJUT and secure NORTHAG's left flank in the Forward Combat Zone.

During the early 1990s I (NL) Corps was reduced to the First Division 7 December, which became part of I. German/Dutch Corps. The division was disbanded on 1 January 2004 and the '7 December' title was transferred to the 11 Luchtmobiele Brigade (11th Airmobile Brigade).

Since the end of the Cold War, the army concentrates on peace-keeping and peace-enforcing operations and has been involved in several operations (in Lebanon between 1979 and 1985, and the former Yugoslavia (Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia and Kosovo) 1991–present, but also in Cambodia 1992–1994, Haiti 1995–1996, Cyprus 1998–1999, Eritrea and Ethiopia 2001, and most recent in Iraq 2003–2005, Afghanistan 2002–2010 and Chad 2008–2009).

IFOR/SFOR
The Dutch contingent in Bosnia-Hercegovina operated Leopard 2 tanks. Dutch Leopard 2A4s and Leopard 2A5s at the NLD bases at Bugojno, Novi Travnik, Sisava, Knezevo, Maslovare and Suica.

Vid https://www.defensie.nl/onderwerpen/materieel/inhoud/voertuigen/combat-vehicle-90

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

buying just for the sake of it ehhh? anyways their country their choice

 

[DavidSling]

buying just for the sake of it ehhh? anyways their country their choice

APS became integrate part of any tank platform

 

[Penguin]

buying just for the sake of it ehhh? anyways their country their choice

No, of course not, what are you thinking? That the Dutch government spends tax-payer money on this just for kicks?

Protection
The basic armour of the CV9040 provides all-round protection against 14.5 mm armour-piercing rounds. Armour protection over the frontal arc is classified, but all models from CV9040B and later are said to be protected against 30 mm APFSDS. Some variants, including the CV9030N, can be fitted with MEXAS, a ceramic appliqué armor that provides protection against 30 mm APFSDS. This armour kit is intended to provide increased protection against Improvised explosive device, explosively formed penetrator and 30 mm caliber armour piercing rounds. All CV90s are fitted with a Kevlar Spall suppression liner, which covers the interior spaces and provides protection for the troops inside against shrapnel and anti-personnel artillery munition.

The CV90 can be also fitted with cage armour, which provides protection against tandem-charge and shaped charge warheads. The CV90 is fitted with a nuclear, biological, and chemical (NBC) filtration system accompanied by a chemical detector and radiation detector systems. The CV90 also uses heat-absorbing filters to provide temporary protection against thermal imaging (TIS), image intensifier and infrared camera (IR). The CV 90 was designed to produce a very low and very compact structure to minimize radar and IR-signatures.

With every generation of CV90 there has been an increase in payload and corresponding protection levels. The inherent mine protection levels have risen substantially to presently defeat the heaviest (10 kg TNT) anti-tank mines.

Survivability in combat has proven well, and also the ability to protect the crew.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90#Combat_service

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

On 15 September 2015, the Dutch government published that the army will have 16 tanks put out of storage (Leo 2 A6) and 18 are to be leased from Germany for a new tank squadron by 2016 as part of a German armoured battalion (and since Germany operates Leo 2 A6, A6M and A7 tanks, the 18 leased are likely also A6s or A6Ms).

In May 2015, the German Defense Ministry announced plans to develop a successor to the Leopard 2 tank, likely to be named the Leopard 3, which may be developed in cooperation with France. The Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) will be preceded by incremental upgrades to the Leopard 2, including a new digital turret core system and situational awareness system and an Active Protection System (APS). A short-term lethality increase will come from a higher pressure 120 mm gun firing new ammunition, expected to deliver 20 percent better performance than the L55, with mid-term efforts focusing on a 130 mm cannon concept offering 50 percent better armor penetration performance. The MGCS concept development phase should be completed by 2017

The Dutch 43rd Mechanized Brigade (which has our remaning heavy armor) will be integrated into the 1st Panzer Division (Bundeswehr) of the German army. In the past, the 1st Panzer Division has deployed to the Balkans, Afghanistan and to several peacekeeping operations. Integration started at the beginning of 2016, and the unit will become operational at the end of 2019. The Dutch-German military cooperation are seen as an example for setting up a European defense union. Hence, any new Dutch tanks will be following the German army aqcuisitions.


In Europe itself we have only one threat of real concern: from the East. Any MBTs use would be on our own territories (ACC/Shape area), in defensive roles. This has been the case since WW2. Secondary uses would be any intra-European 'break up' scenario's like we had in Yugoslavia.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/structure.htm


The I (Netherlands) Corps stood watch alongside its NATO allies in Germany during the Cold War. The corps consisted of three divisions during the 1980s, the 1st, 4th, and 5th (reserve) divisions. It was part of the NATO Northern Army Group. The corps's war assignment, as formulated by Commander, Northern Army Group (COMNORTHAG), would be to:

• Assume responsibility for its corps sector and relieve 1st German Corps forces as soon as possible.
• Fight the covering force battle in accordance with COMNORTHAG's concept of operations.
• In the main defensive battle: (1) hold and destroy the forces of the enemy's leading armies conventionally as far east as possible, maintaining cohesion with 1 (GE) Corps; (2) in the event of a major penetration affecting 1 (NL) Corps sector, be prepared to hold the area between the roads A7 and B3 and to conduct a counterattack according to COMNORTHAG's concept of operations.
• Maintain cohesion with LANDJUT and secure NORTHAG's left flank in the Forward Combat Zone.

During the early 1990s I (NL) Corps was reduced to the First Division 7 December, which became part of I. German/Dutch Corps. The division was disbanded on 1 January 2004 and the '7 December' title was transferred to the 11 Luchtmobiele Brigade (11th Airmobile Brigade).

Since the end of the Cold War, the army concentrates on peace-keeping and peace-enforcing operations and has been involved in several operations (in Lebanon between 1979 and 1985, and the former Yugoslavia (Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia and Kosovo) 1991–present, but also in Cambodia 1992–1994, Haiti 1995–1996, Cyprus 1998–1999, Eritrea and Ethiopia 2001, and most recent in Iraq 2003–2005, Afghanistan 2002–2010 and Chad 2008–2009).

IFOR/SFOR
The Dutch contingent in Bosnia-Hercegovina operated Leopard 2 tanks. Dutch Leopard 2A4s and Leopard 2A5s at the NLD bases at Bugojno, Novi Travnik, Sisava, Knezevo, Maslovare and Suica.

Vid https://www.defensie.nl/onderwerpen/materieel/inhoud/voertuigen/combat-vehicle-90

Bosnia shouldn't have been used as an example after what the Netherland troops did there.. Literally allowing serbenca massacre.

 

[Penguin]

Bosnia shouldn't have been used as an example after what the Netherland troops did there.. Literally allowing serbenca massacre.

Bla bla bla. Has nothing to do with Leo 2 or CV9035NL, which the Dutch bat did not have available at Srbrenice when facing overwhelming numbers and armor. CV9035NL hadn't even been ordered at that time. Should we now exclude German and French tanks, because these countries failed to provide air support to the Dutch there? Troll elsewhere pls.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Bla bla bla. Has nothing to do with Leo 2 or CV9035NL, which the Dutch bat did not have available at Srbrenice when facing overwhelming numbers and armor. CV9035NL hadn't even been ordered at that time. Should we now exclude German and French tanks, because these countries failed to provide air support to the Dutch there? Troll elsewhere pls.

Because your troops did nothing while ratko killed 8000 people infront of them ... They even abdanoned the "secure area" leaving the civilians to their fate..

And ;

Dutch are being held responsible for 300 serbenca massacre victims;

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/s/amp...ul/16/dutch-liable-srebrenica-massacre-deaths

 

[Penguin]

Because your troops did nothing while ratko killed 8000 people infront of them ... They even abdanoned the "secure area" leaving the civilians to their fate..

And ;

Dutch are being held responsible for 300 serbenca massacre victims;

What would that have to do with the topic of this thread?

If I leave out deployment to Bosnia from the above list, another poster will complain I'm hiding something.
Fact of the matter is, above are Dutch army deployments, including one with no less than ....2 Leo-2s.

If you want to complain about Srbrenica, I suggest you start by complaining to those that actually did the killing: units of the Bosnian Serb Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić. The Scorpions, a paramilitary unit from Serbia, who had been part of the Serbian Interior Ministry until 1991, also participated in the
massacre.

Dutchbat soldiers in Srebrenica failed to prevent the town's capture by the VRS—and the subsequent massacre. In 2013 and 2014, the Netherlands was found liable in its own supreme court and in the Hague district court of failing in its duty to prevent more than 300 of the deaths. Specifically, on 16 July 2014, a Dutch court held the Netherlands liable for the killings of more than 300 Bosniaks at Srebrenica, although the same court ruled that the Netherlands was not liable for the other deaths in Srebrenica

In law, liable means "[r]esponsible or answerable in law; legally obligated."
In criminal law, guilt is the state of being responsible for the commission of an offense
I hope you can tell the difference.

But congratulations, you have already succeeded in taking this thread off topic. I hope you are happy now.

Bosnia (March 1992 to February 1996)
Contribution: 3000 troops.
Casualties: 6.

United Nations Protection Forces in Bosnia (UNPROFOR), recognizing the commendable performance of the Pakistan Army Contingents as United Nations peacekeepers in Somalia and Cambodia, the United Nations requested the Government of Pakistan to contribute troops to the United Nations Protection Force in Bosnia-Herzegovina. A 3000 strong contingent consisting of two Battalion Groups and a National Support (NS) Headquarters left for Bosnia and Croatia in May 1994

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...stan#Bosnia_.28March_1992_to_February_1996.29
https://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/TextContent.aspx?pId=58

What did these do to prevent the massacres in Bosnia? Did they rush to the aid of their nearby embattled Dutch collegues under UN command? Tuzla is a 2 hours drive from Srebrenica, a little over 100km.

 

[Penguin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Srebrenica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Srebrenica#Operation_Krivaja_.2795

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

http://www.niod.knaw.nl/en/srebrenica-report/summary-press

https://books.google.nl/books?id=zQ7r-3IT7FgC&pg=PA403&lpg=PA403&dq=dutchbat+strength&source=bl&ots=qwnL1KRo1q&sig=OPzvRRDAKVGG-li46R1m9XQVtjA&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj427336ZTRAhXDAxoKHfwIA3MQ6AEINzAE#v=onepage&q=dutchbat strength&f=false

I suggest you open a new thread and use these if you are so keen on this topic.