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The bitter truth about OROP

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The current debate about OROP (One Rank One Pension) has become infused with too much passion, emotion, recriminations, frustration and downright prevarication. This, though perhaps understandable, is not healthy because it tends to blur and take the focus away from the hard issues involved, and prevents a rational analysis of the problem. The plain fact is that OROP is just not implementable, and the sooner the Government comes out with an open admission on this, and stops leading the defence forces down the garden path, the better.

The government consists of scores of departments (of which the armed forces are also a part), thousands of categories of posts and hundreds of pay scales/ranks. Their remuneration, promotion avenues, pensions have been arrived at after decades of deliberation and many Pay Commissions. There are intricate linkages between them (called “equation” in government parlance): the whole structure is like a huge spider web in which all the strands are inter-connected, and disturbing just one cobweb destabilises the entire structure. The demand for OROP threatens to do exactly this, and this is why the government is unable to take a decision on this controversial issue.

Soldier OROP

The basic premise of OROP is inherently flawed. One’s pension is inextricably linked to one’s salary at the time of retirement and not to the salary of the same post twenty years later. That is why Pay Commissions, every ten years, do not link past pensions with current salaries but provide a percentage growth to those pensions. This is true of not just the armed forces (as some may think) but of the entire government structure, including ALL civilian posts – with one exception.

This exception is the “causus belli” or the root of the problem. Many years ago the IAS contrived a sleight of hand (at which we are past masters) to ensure that the highest echelons of the elite civil services, at least, get the benefit of OROP ! This is how it was managed: the highest pay scale in government (currently) is Rs. 80000/ fixed. (only the Chiefs of the three defence forces and the Cabinet Secretary are in the fixed scale of Rs. 90000/). It was decreed that all who retire in this scale (known loftily as the Apex Scale) would get OROP – that is, their pensions would always be linked to whatever revised Apex Scale the subsequent Pay Commissions decided. Since every single IAS (or IFS) officer retires in the Apex Scale this forever ensured OROP for themselves. To reduce any opposition to the stratagem, some Apex Scale posts were also made available to other All India services.

The top brass in the armed forces were also party to this decision, for they also got a share of the pie. Take the Army. The Apex Scale has also been provided to the VCOAS, Army Commanders, Lt. General (NFSG) and one third of the total strength of Lt. Generals in the force. The same applies to their counterparts in the other two forces. This may perhaps explain why we have not heard the top echelons of the forces coming out in public support of the demand for universal OROP.

Giving OROP to just the Apex Scale was a bad and inequitable decision, and all the elite civil services and the armed forces were party to it. So, don’t just blame the “babus” please.

The chickens have now come home to roost and they’re making quite a racket over it, as chickens will do. Extending OROP to just the defence forces is neither fair, nor possible. It is not fair because, emotive claims apart, they are not the only ones serving the nation – the primary school teacher in a Naxal village in Dantewada is also doing so, the coal miner spending twelve hours every day in the pitch darkness of a flooded mine in Jharia is also doing so, the fireman rushing into a burning building in a Mumbai slum is also doing so. Nor does it help the cause to quote statistics about the number of casualties – the para military forces and some state police forces have consistently had higher casualties than the army over the years. Demanding a special dispensation on the basis of an exclusive claim to patriotism is never a good idea – it has tinges of a hubris that does not go well with the concept of selfless service.

The acceptance of the OROP demand is also not practically or legally possible, because it cannot be limited to the armed forces only, and any extension to other services and departments will bankrupt the government for all times. The stirrings have already started – the Central Para Military Forces, the Railway unions, some Associations of central government Ministries – have already given ominous hints that if OROP is allowed to the armed forces it cannot be denied to them. So we’re no longer talking of just 22 lakh ex-servicemen and 6 lakh widows – we’re talking of tens of millions of central and state government employees. We’re no longer looking at a financial implication of Rs. 8000 crores but ten or twenty times that. Its a no brainer.

And yet there are some aspects of the demand of the armed forces that are legitimate, that are peculiar to them, and which any sensitive government has to consider sympathetically. The primary one for me is their early retirement (especially for the jawans and ORs) and subsequent unemployment with relatively low pension rates. The solution to this vexed imbroglio has to come out of the box and not from any manual of the finance department. Although it is certainly presumptuous of me I would make so bold as to suggest the following steps as an alternative to OROP:

* Eradicate the root and genesis of the problem — abolish the OROP benefit provided only to the holders of the Apex Scale and cover them under the same formula of pension as applicable to others. This may occasion some resistance from about twenty thousand or so of our plastic frame and a few defence brass but it would remove the heart burning of many millions of others and restore equity.
* Provide higher pay scales to members of the armed forces to compensate them for their shorter service tenures and lack of promotion avenues. In order to do this the bureaucracy should once and for all give up the specious notion of maintaining “equations”- there are no equations between apples and oranges.
* Increase the gratuity available to ORs and jawans.
* Provide 50% reservation for jawans and other ORs in all central para-military and state police forces at appropriate levels. Not only would this single measure provide gainful employment to them for another 25 years, it would also considerably enhance the image and effectiveness of these forces because of the sterling qualities of discipline and integrity which these ORs would bring with them. I calculate that there would be about 30,000 (300000) retirees from the army every year – the annual vacancies in the para-military and police forces would be many times this number, so adjusting the former should pose no problem. Ex-servicemen Directorates already exist at the Centre and in the states and they can maintain the data of retirees and forward the names against requisitions.

OROP is a mirage which will never materialise. If the lot of our ex-servicemen is to be improved and their obvious career disadvantages compensated, suggestions like the above have to be considered. Mr. Modi should learn a thing or two from the armed forces – instead of a head-on confrontation with them he should execute a flanking manoeuvre.

The bitter truth about OROP | Hill Post

@Bang Galore @Star Wars
 
i was just about to post this...

PMO is meeting the veterans Aug 24 or 25 .. lets see what happens then..
 
Excellent Article and an eye opener. :tup:

Its clear that the OROP mess requires an out of the box thinking and some really hard and uncomfortable decisions.

Either way its a political mess. No wonder the Congerss did not touch it with a barge pole. That was pretty smart of them.

The author offers some excellent suggestions and I hope the Modi govt is seriously considering all practical options other than shelling out money to end the blackmail.
 
i was just about to post this...

PMO is meeting the veterans Aug 24 or 25 .. lets see what happens then..
Let's wait and see, I don't seem Modi doing much on this issue right now to be honest but I hope I am wrong- fingers crossed.
 
Let's wait and see, I don't seem Modi doing much on this issue right now to be honest but I hope I am wrong- fingers crossed.

He isn't, thats why... I don't think he cares about the protests or the media, he does everything on his own time. The habit he learnt from being CM of GUjarat
 
He isn't, thats why... I don't think he cares about the protests or the media, he does everything on his own time. The habit he learnt from being CM of GUjarat
I only party agree, it certainly seems he is working to his own agenda BUT he is also allowing others to dictate tempo to him and is doing NOTHING to nip these issues in the bud. His silence during the entire monsoon season of parliament as his pending (much awaited and needed) bills went uncleared was deafening. All he needs to do is change the narrative and defend his government, by not doing so he is leaving an open goal for the opposition.

Wasn't Dr MMS criticised for this exact reason (being silent)?
 
I only party agree, it certainly seems he is working to his own agenda BUT he is also allowing others to dictate tempo to him and is doing NOTHING to nip these issues in the bud.

AS i said, He is doing things on his own terms. If he wanted to give in to pressure he would have already announced OROP on INdipendence day and made a political point scoring out of it. He does not really care...

His silence during the entire monsoon season of parliament as his pending (much awaited and needed) bills went uncleared was deafening.

Whats the point of going to a nonfunctional parliament ? Party spokespersons are there for a reason.. Besides, Congress has the seats in RS, Govt. cannot give in to blackmail other wise within 5 years his entire Cabinet will end up resigning. Blaming Modi for the bills not being passed comes out of lack of understanding of Indian politics.

All he needs to do is change the narrative and defend his government, by not doing so he is leaving an open goal for the opposition.

Wasn't Dr MMS criticised for this exact reason (being silent)?

He does not need to defend the govt. everytime they come up with something silly, him personally replying would only escalate the issue and not to mention divert his attention.
again, party spokesperson are there for a reason.

MMS was criticized for being Silent about everything nobody knew whatwas going on in his govt., comparison is absurd
 
AS i said, He is doing things on his own terms. If he wanted to giving to pressure he would have already announced OROP on INdipendence day and made a political point scoring out of it.
And still no OROP, it is very easy to make excuses for him and paint his actions in a noble light but what tangible benefits do we see? Next to none. The result is still the same- no OROP.

Whats the point of going to a nonfunctional parliament ?
To make it functional perhaps? What is the long term plan here? Keep quiet and hope the opposition get tired? He could try and build some consensus and actually get some legislation passed and show the world India is moving forward, this logjam reflects very badly on India and sends out all the wrong signals, further worsened by his silence and thus inability to articulate his vision.
He does not need to defend the govt. everytime they come up with something silly, him personally replying would only escalate the issue and not to mention divert his attention.

He owes it to his constituents- leaving it to dumba$$ ministers and spokesmen is hardly working well for him, look at all the needless controversy that has been created by their comments in the past year. He needs to get his govt in line otherwise there will be more needless disruption to his agenda- he must see that.
 
It is not fair because, emotive claims apart, they are not the only ones serving the nation – the primary school teacher in a Naxal village in Dantewada is also doing so, the coal miner spending twelve hours every day in the pitch darkness of a flooded mine in Jharia is also doing so, the fireman rushing into a burning building in a Mumbai slum is also doing so.

For these lines alone I consider the author a complete idiot & an uninformed one at that .

Do any of these people willfully put themselves in harms way for the pay they get ? Dont they have unions to stand & fight for their rights ? Can they not go on strike at will ? Can they not go home each day or be with their families whenever they want ? The primary school teacher pays a bribe to get his job & does not attend school at all & gets paid for it !!

The list is endless, it makes me sick to know someone feels like this when a soldier seeks his due. It is a sad day in the life of a nation when a soldier has to agitate for his dues and the Police is let loose on them .

This nation does not realise how fortunate it is for its soldiers have never over thrown a legit Govt .

The acceptance of the OROP demand is also not practically or legally possible, because it cannot be limited to the armed forces only, and any extension to other services and departments will bankrupt the government for all times.

How come one sect of Govt employees have OROP while others cannot ?

One rank, one pension for HC judges: Govt to amend law | The Indian Express

The MPs can raise their salaries at will, earn a pension for watching pron in the parliament , sleep through it or worse not let the house run and subsidise their meals too !!

A soldier who retires earlier than any Govt employee cannot get his dues !!
 
The current debate about OROP (One Rank One Pension) has become infused with too much passion, emotion, recriminations, frustration and downright prevarication. This, though perhaps understandable, is not healthy because it tends to blur and take the focus away from the hard issues involved, and prevents a rational analysis of the problem. The plain fact is that OROP is just not implementable, and the sooner the Government comes out with an open admission on this, and stops leading the defence forces down the garden path, the better.

The government consists of scores of departments (of which the armed forces are also a part), thousands of categories of posts and hundreds of pay scales/ranks. Their remuneration, promotion avenues, pensions have been arrived at after decades of deliberation and many Pay Commissions. There are intricate linkages between them (called “equation” in government parlance): the whole structure is like a huge spider web in which all the strands are inter-connected, and disturbing just one cobweb destabilises the entire structure. The demand for OROP threatens to do exactly this, and this is why the government is unable to take a decision on this controversial issue.

Soldier OROP

The basic premise of OROP is inherently flawed. One’s pension is inextricably linked to one’s salary at the time of retirement and not to the salary of the same post twenty years later. That is why Pay Commissions, every ten years, do not link past pensions with current salaries but provide a percentage growth to those pensions. This is true of not just the armed forces (as some may think) but of the entire government structure, including ALL civilian posts – with one exception.

This exception is the “causus belli” or the root of the problem. Many years ago the IAS contrived a sleight of hand (at which we are past masters) to ensure that the highest echelons of the elite civil services, at least, get the benefit of OROP ! This is how it was managed: the highest pay scale in government (currently) is Rs. 80000/ fixed. (only the Chiefs of the three defence forces and the Cabinet Secretary are in the fixed scale of Rs. 90000/). It was decreed that all who retire in this scale (known loftily as the Apex Scale) would get OROP – that is, their pensions would always be linked to whatever revised Apex Scale the subsequent Pay Commissions decided. Since every single IAS (or IFS) officer retires in the Apex Scale this forever ensured OROP for themselves. To reduce any opposition to the stratagem, some Apex Scale posts were also made available to other All India services.

The top brass in the armed forces were also party to this decision, for they also got a share of the pie. Take the Army. The Apex Scale has also been provided to the VCOAS, Army Commanders, Lt. General (NFSG) and one third of the total strength of Lt. Generals in the force. The same applies to their counterparts in the other two forces. This may perhaps explain why we have not heard the top echelons of the forces coming out in public support of the demand for universal OROP.

Giving OROP to just the Apex Scale was a bad and inequitable decision, and all the elite civil services and the armed forces were party to it. So, don’t just blame the “babus” please.

The chickens have now come home to roost and they’re making quite a racket over it, as chickens will do. Extending OROP to just the defence forces is neither fair, nor possible. It is not fair because, emotive claims apart, they are not the only ones serving the nation – the primary school teacher in a Naxal village in Dantewada is also doing so, the coal miner spending twelve hours every day in the pitch darkness of a flooded mine in Jharia is also doing so, the fireman rushing into a burning building in a Mumbai slum is also doing so. Nor does it help the cause to quote statistics about the number of casualties – the para military forces and some state police forces have consistently had higher casualties than the army over the years. Demanding a special dispensation on the basis of an exclusive claim to patriotism is never a good idea – it has tinges of a hubris that does not go well with the concept of selfless service.

The acceptance of the OROP demand is also not practically or legally possible, because it cannot be limited to the armed forces only, and any extension to other services and departments will bankrupt the government for all times. The stirrings have already started – the Central Para Military Forces, the Railway unions, some Associations of central government Ministries – have already given ominous hints that if OROP is allowed to the armed forces it cannot be denied to them. So we’re no longer talking of just 22 lakh ex-servicemen and 6 lakh widows – we’re talking of tens of millions of central and state government employees. We’re no longer looking at a financial implication of Rs. 8000 crores but ten or twenty times that. Its a no brainer.

And yet there are some aspects of the demand of the armed forces that are legitimate, that are peculiar to them, and which any sensitive government has to consider sympathetically. The primary one for me is their early retirement (especially for the jawans and ORs) and subsequent unemployment with relatively low pension rates. The solution to this vexed imbroglio has to come out of the box and not from any manual of the finance department. Although it is certainly presumptuous of me I would make so bold as to suggest the following steps as an alternative to OROP:

* Eradicate the root and genesis of the problem — abolish the OROP benefit provided only to the holders of the Apex Scale and cover them under the same formula of pension as applicable to others. This may occasion some resistance from about twenty thousand or so of our plastic frame and a few defence brass but it would remove the heart burning of many millions of others and restore equity.
* Provide higher pay scales to members of the armed forces to compensate them for their shorter service tenures and lack of promotion avenues. In order to do this the bureaucracy should once and for all give up the specious notion of maintaining “equations”- there are no equations between apples and oranges.
* Increase the gratuity available to ORs and jawans.
* Provide 50% reservation for jawans and other ORs in all central para-military and state police forces at appropriate levels. Not only would this single measure provide gainful employment to them for another 25 years, it would also considerably enhance the image and effectiveness of these forces because of the sterling qualities of discipline and integrity which these ORs would bring with them. I calculate that there would be about 30,000 (300000) retirees from the army every year – the annual vacancies in the para-military and police forces would be many times this number, so adjusting the former should pose no problem. Ex-servicemen Directorates already exist at the Centre and in the states and they can maintain the data of retirees and forward the names against requisitions.

OROP is a mirage which will never materialise. If the lot of our ex-servicemen is to be improved and their obvious career disadvantages compensated, suggestions like the above have to be considered. Mr. Modi should learn a thing or two from the armed forces – instead of a head-on confrontation with them he should execute a flanking manoeuvre.

The bitter truth about OROP | Hill Post

@Bang Galore @Star Wars

OROP is really not a good thing if u consider national interest. Thats why previous government not implemented it. But BJP politicized it and now they have to bear. For Modi his image is most important thing. I guess he would come with a deal where pension would increase but not the exact OROP veterans demanding.
 
And still no OROP, it is very easy to make excuses for him and paint his actions in a noble light but what tangible benefits do we see? Next to none. The result is still the same- no OROP.

Are you reading what i am writing ? everything will come on its own terms It takes 9 months to conceive a baby. Wait for Aug 24. IT takes 5 months to even finish paper work for a single man's pension. You expect OROP of 2.5 million people to be announced in 15 months ? I don't expect you to fall to propaganda. Am only defending because your arguments are extremely weak.

To make it functional perhaps?

By doing what ? shooting the opposition MP's with sleeping darts ? Its like asking Pakistan to stop funding terror.

What is the long term plan here? Keep quiet and hope the opposition get tired? He could try and build some consensus and actually get some legislation passed and show the world India is moving forward, this logjam reflects very badly on India and sends out all the wrong signals, further worsened by his silence and thus inability to articulate his vision.

Won't last long, by 2016 Congress is expected to loose several of its seats in RS and loose the ability to control the RS.
There already is consensus among members. Only problem is the Gandhi family.

He owes it to his constituents- leaving it to dumba$$ ministers and spokesmen is hardly working well for him
, look at all the needless controversy that has been created by their comments in the past year. He needs to get his govt in line otherwise there will be more needless disruption to his agenda- he must see that.

He owes to work, not speak on silly issues.Can you quote one silly comment from BJP spokes persons, just one ? Controversy has been created by the media. I am rather surprised that you fall for the nonsense and don't cross check the facts before you in the media. He does not need to speak every time someone places some stupid allegation at him unnecessarily giving it importance. Hell he has not even spoken about Gujarat untill the HC verdict cameout after 10 years.Media and congress already has the egg on their face on how Viapam and lalitgate has backfired.

Again understand the political reality in the country before passing judgments..
 
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OROP is really not a good thing if u consider national interest. Thats why previous government not implemented it.

But they did accept it in priciple when the elections were about to happen and alloted a petty sum.
 
For these lines alone I consider the author a complete idiot & an uninformed one at that .

Do any of these people willfully put themselves in harms way for the pay they get ? Dont they have unions to stand & fight for their rights ? Can they not go on strike at will ? Can they not go home each day or be with their families whenever they want ? The primary school teacher pays a bribe to get his job & does not attend school at all & gets paid for it !!

The list is endless, it makes me sick to know someone feels like this when a soldier seeks his due. It is a sad day in the life of a nation when a soldier has to agitate for his dues and the Police is let loose on them .

This nation does not realise how fortunate it is for its soldiers have never over thrown a legit Govt .



How come one sect of Govt employees have OROP while others cannot ?

One rank, one pension for HC judges: Govt to amend law | The Indian Express

The MPs can raise their salaries at will, earn a pension for watching pron in the parliament , sleep through it or worse not let the house run and subsidise their meals too !!

A soldier who retires earlier than any Govt employee cannot get his dues !!

Better to abolish pension scheme itself....for all. Pay more during they serve instead of paying after service ends. Problem with army men is they serve less no of year compared to other department as i know

But they did accept it in priciple when the elections were about to happen and alloted a petty sum.

OROP is congress lesson to people and BJP. If it was possible they would have implemented
 
Pathetic article and author .
Sane minds wont compare a police force or railway employee with a soldier.
A few days ago the PM proposed a 1.25 lakhs crore for Bihar and MPs are demanding for 1 lakh salary.
Does any one know how the exchequeres spend for these political parasite?
Only a soldier knows the difficulties that they faced during their service.
They spent their good years in worse terrains and dangerous surroundings.
Armchair generals and AC intelluctuals cant understand that.Now or never.
OROP is their right .
You cant compare domestic problems with problems that we faced from outside.Naxalism is the creation of corrupted pathetic politicians and bureau cracy in this nation and good implementation of schemes will end that distirbance.

But outside threats is a reality .A reality that is not going to change even in future.
Enough money is already in there for implementation of OROP.
 
Better to abolish pension scheme itself....for all. Pay more during they serve instead of paying after service ends. Problem with army men is they serve less no of year compared to other department as i know

Neither practical nor recommended.

Does the Govt have the courage to do away with reservation in jobs which causes people of sub standard intellect & caliber to reach levels where they do which is national need ?
 

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