The Algerian Armed Forces.

[BLACKEAGLE]

Yup probably !

Wait what about South Africa...does that count ?



ARMAT maybe a fine Air to Ground Missile but it ain't a BVR AA missile !

Easily.....

 

[Ceylal]

Algerian army is modern and strong and the second strongest in Africa but it's no Egyptian Army my brother. Egyptian army is very huge.

No body dispute that! but they are ill prepared despite the attempt of the USA to change their mind on being focused on Israel instead on new challenges ie terrorism , piracy. The USA were also disturbed by the Egyptian military conglomerate that control almost half of the Egyptian economy [see detais on wikileaks]. Algeria military is very well oiled and has adapted quickly to the mutation of the new challenges and met them heads on with a lot of success. The Last event in In Amenas is a testimony of its prepardness and competancy which only few armies, mostly western, are capable to achieve with almost no losses. If we go back a couple years ago, during the soccer derby with the Egyptian team, she managed to transport amost 30,000 Algerian fan in 48 hours without accidents, that performance passed unseen but caught the eyes of Maryv Israeli newspaper. Algerian forces are the best in Africa, period!

the hell is going on here !

Just telling rimes to himself...

 

[Ceylal]

It is un equivalent for a comparison with South Africa Let Alone Egypt. Back your post with a reference stating both quality and quantity....then get back to me

Google wikileaks/egypt...and its all there..No ones knows better Egypt than its arms provider...

Some laughable things have been stated in this thread.

which is..................

 

[Ceylal]

Egypt filled the gap of lacking the BVR by building a very capable air defense system, however, it's not as not capable BVR as you think it's, Egyptians are not stupid to have 240 F-16 C/D with not capable air-air missiles:
AIM-7F/M: 50 kilometres
MICA (missile) 80 km (French fighters)

As for the tanks, I think we should stop here.

I have one question for you...Why do the Egyptian air force have the tip and the rudder of the fighter plane painted orange. The BVR capability of their plane is doutful, at least against their main foe[israel], they were a lot of times that Egyptian found themselves flying totally blind closer to Israeli borders...Their tanks are no match to what Israel or Turkey has in store, nor their SAM system..

 

[Ceylal]

Egypt is far ahead in term of quality and quantity than any other African country.

The only thing ,on their favor is quantity. Among the African country that counts, ie Algeria, South Africa, Morrocco, have better quality in weapon system than Egypt...

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

The only thing ,on their favor is quantity. Among the African country that counts, ie Algeria, South Africa, Morrocco, have better quality in weapon system than Egypt...

can you tell me why do you think Algeira is stronger than Egypt ? and can you tell me with numbers and sources ?
our army is the best in Africa everyone knows that

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

The only thing ,on their favor is quantity. Among the African country that counts, ie Algeria, South Africa, Morrocco, have better quality in weapon system than Egypt...

You are weird, go to Wikipedia and compare the numbers and Google the types then come back here.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I have one question for you...Why do the Egyptian air force have the tip and the rudder of the fighter plane painted orange. The BVR capability of their plane is doutful, at least against their main foe[israel], they were a lot of times that Egyptian found themselves flying totally blind closer to Israeli borders...Their tanks are no match to what Israel or Turkey has in store, nor their SAM system..

They have 240 F-16 man and all were upgraded to C/D versions, Egyptians land forces is stronger than both Turkey and Israel, their air defense branch is superior to both, their air force strength is equal to the Turkish one in numbers and types with Turkish advantage in BVR capability, Israeli air force is stronger than both, Turkish navy is stronger then comes Egypt.

 

[Ceylal]

can you tell me why do you think Algeira is stronger than Egypt ? and can you tell me with numbers and sources ?
our army is the best in Africa everyone knows that

It depends what you mean by strong? If you talk about hardware, number of troops, airplanes, no body will dispute that the Egyptian army, is away ahead on any African country. Lybia also, and before her Irak...And we know how their respective army performed...
If you talk about combat experience, coordination between forces, ability to conduct raid in distant area, then Algeria is away ahead...

For sources and performance examples, on both armies , they were given above, you just have to the pages of this thread...But I was glad that you joined in the debate, because nobody among the participants in this thread, knows about the Egyptian army than an Egyptian himself...

They have 240 F-16 man and all were upgraded to C/D versions, Egyptians land forces is stronger than both Turkey and Israel, their air defense branch is superior to both, their air force strength is equal to the Turkish one in numbers and types with Turkish advantage in BVR capability, Israeli air force is stronger than both, Turkish navy is stronger then comes Egypt.

You didn't answer my question, and I prefer a participant from Egypt to talk about their own army...

You are weird, go to Wikipedia and compare the numbers and Google the types then come back here.

Wikipedia is not a source, everybody can put a lot crap in it..

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

It depends what you mean by strong? If you talk about hardware, number of troops, airplanes, no body will dispute that the Egyptian army, is away ahead on any African country. Lybia also, and before her Irak...And we know how their respective army performed...
If you talk about combat experience, coordination between forces, ability to conduct raid in distant area, then Algeria is away ahead...

For sources and performance examples, on both armies , they were given above, you just have to the pages of this thread...But I was glad that you joined in the debate, because nobody among the participants in this thread, knows about the Egyptian army than an Egyptian himself...

first of all i like Algeira a strong and proud nation and i wish you the best
combat experience Egypt has fought in 4 wars with isreal and desert storm most of our officers have fought in real wars 73 war or desert storm
raids our history of commandos raid on isreal before and during the octobar war 73 is great also operations behind enemy lines in desert storm

 

[Quasar]

You are probably equating the difficulties of the turkish army to adapt itself to modern technology. Sorry to tell you , Algerian forces do not have that problem, what they buy it is mastered, it is very well integrated, maintained....get real!

Obviously you lack the necessary knowledge to expose an argument on modern technology or modern warfare, sooooo just for the sake of making the situation more clearly comprehensible for you

lets investigate Turkish army's adaption to modern technology...a brief example...Network Centric Warfare (NCW) infrastructure of 21st century armies

TACTICAL AREA COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM (TASMUS) ASELSAN

Tactical Area Communications System (TASMUS) is a system which provides all communication requirements of Network Centric Warfare (NCW) infrastructure to 21st century armies. The main goal of TASMUS is to form a common picture of the battlefield in near-real time and share data among battlefield command control systems. It facilitates fusion and display of intelligence information to commanders at all levels and handles the exchange of targeting data from sensor to weapon systems.

The tactical battlefield is now becoming a ground for extensive digital data exchange where many sensors, weapons, computers and command centers need to exchange high speed data in order to perform effectively and coherently. More so, these units need to carry out their data exchange while on the move because the new military doctrines heavily emphasize on mobility and flexibility. On the battlefield several command control functions such as fire support, manoeuvre control, intelligence, electronic warfare, and logistics support need to be executed simultaneously. These command control functions rely on rapid and reliable exchange of information on the tactical field. These command control functions may have different communication requirements but, what is needed is an integrated solution that will provide the necessary communication support to all of these command control applications. Here, the communication solution provided by ASELSAN, TASMUS, fulfils all these requirements on tactical area and offers a compact, deployable, extendable, secure and easy-use system to users. Since 2000, TASMUS has been in operation in Turkish Army and has been continuously upgraded so far according to the technological improvements and customer requirements. TASMUS is designed to meet all tactical battlefield requirements with an integrated solution to form a mobile, survivable, flexible and secure tactical network to support all the communication needs (voice, data and video) of tactical commanders and to support all the needs for Network Centric Warfare (NCW) concept. TASMUS is deployed in area (theater) of military operations such that, seamless communication between the army and battalion/company level is achieved. It provides interfaces to the strategic telecom and data networks above the army level, while providing connection to the existing CNR systems via CNRI. TASMUS, as being a very powerful “tactical communications infrastructure”, provides reliable and efficient exchange of information on the tactical field, meeting today’s and future armed forces mobility needs.

General Specifications

- TASMUS provides Network Centric infrastructure for communication backbone and meet all the C4I requirements to 21st century armies


- TASMUS provides full IP solution and incorporates IP, ATM and ISDN switching technologies together.


- TASMUS is compliant with the NATO TACOMS POST 2000 architecture.


- TASMUS is a modular system, since the system can be extended according to customer requirements.


- TASMUS provides communications services including voice (clear/encrypted); data (asynchronous, synchronous, IP, X.25 packet data), graphics, video, images, file transfer; and fax and video conferencing, whereas its information services include: the provision of a near-real time picture of the battlefield; digital map and geographic information; meteorological information; intelligence reports; and logistic information.


- TASMUS network management and planning system, “SYSCON” meets military network management and planning requirements by using both IP based SNMP protocol and NATO TACOMS POST-2000 system control concepts. SYSCON manages all subscriber profiles, COMSEC and TRANSEC features and system topology.


- TASMUS provides interfaces to the other strategic telecom and data networks, PTT networks, SATCOM and CNR tactical radios.


- TASMUS provides Interoperability with the Other Nations, with Allied Networks, and with Strategic (Commercial/Military) Networks.


- TASMUS supports all of the Teleservices, Bearer Services and Supplementary Services defined in NATO TACOMS POST-2000, including military features such as “priority”, “pre-emption”.


- TASMUS provides Electronic Protection Measures (LPI/LPT Capability, Link-by-Link TRANSEC & COMSEC and end-to-end encryption)


- TASMUS supports mobility. For Mobile subscribers, TASMUS provides service thorough Software Defined Radios, acting as the mobile access terminal.



Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...mmunications-system-tasmus.html#ixzz2IusJRldH

 

[Ceylal]

OSAMA'S NIGHTMARE; The Algerian hind

Osama bin Laden may have been the evil mastermind behind the world’s most successful terrorist group. But in his final days, he sounded more and more like your great aunt Henrietta: nagging his subordinates for not hating America enough — the terrorist equivalent of telling the kids to get off his lawn — and getting awfully confused about this whole e-mail thing.

These are just some of the revelations contained in a selective declassification of documents taken from bin Laden’s Abbottabad compound during the Navy SEAL raid that killed him. Coming on the heels of the raid’s anniversary, the document release is an evident attempt at driving a wedge between al-Qaida’s remaining terrorists and their dead leader’s legacy. But they still contribute to a deeper understanding of what al-Qaida is 10 years after the 9/11 attacks.
Get Out of the Way of the Assault Helicopters

The documents don’t show many weapons striking fear into al-Qaida’s hearts. There are mentions of the drone war in Pakistan: “Our Waziristani brothers, for example, said that they were frankly exhausted from the enemy’s air bombardments,” bin Laden wrote. Update: As CNN notes, bin Laden and some of his deputies describe attempts at staying off the roads and traveling on cloudy days to avoid drones.

And there’s one unlikely warbird: Russian helicopters, used to attack terrorists in Algeria. Along with the infrared sensors “provided to the Algerian tyrant by the Americans,” wrote one of bin Laden’s acolytes, the “laser-guided missiles” fired by the MI-24s “are impacting on the four-wheel-drive vehicles, which are indispensable in the Sahara Desert.” The terrorist begged Osama for cash “for good-quality weapons to counter these menacing helicopters; the mujahidin don’t have single one of them, nor a single missile.”

E-Mail Confused Osama, and 5 Other Revelations From the Bin Laden Files | Danger Room | Wired.com

 

[Armstrong]

They have 240 F-16 man and all were upgraded to C/D versions, Egyptians land forces is stronger than both Turkey and Israel, their air defense branch is superior to both, their air force strength is equal to the Turkish one in numbers and types with Turkish advantage in BVR capability, Israeli air force is stronger than both, Turkish navy is stronger then comes Egypt.

 

[Ceylal]

first of all i like Algeira a strong and proud nation and i wish you the best
combat experience Egypt has fought in 4 wars with isreal and desert storm most of our officers have fought in real wars 73 war or desert storm
raids our history of commandos raid on isreal before and during the octobar war 73 is great also operations behind enemy lines in desert storm

Mahmoud, We were there too. There are approx 3000 Algerians soldiers that died along their Egyptian brothers and are still burried in Egypt, and in 73 we cornered Sharon forces at the deversoir and we kept him from moving up north, while our air force kept the Cairo skies safe from the IAF incursions. We are the one who contributed the most in men, power and equipment than any other arab country.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Mahmoud, We were there too. There are approx 3000 Algerians soldiers that died along their Egyptian brothers and are still burried in Egypt, and in 73 we cornered Sharon forces at the deversoir and we kept him from moving up north, while our air force kept the Cairo skies safe from the IAF incursions. We are the one who contributed the most in men, power and equipment than any other arab country.

yes no one can deny that algirian soldiers have done well in the war but they were 3000 soldier the Egyptian army was 300000 men at the time