What's new

Terrorism: An Ideology or a Conspiracy

Its an Idelology embedded in the roots of Pakistan, which was well used by Saudi, USA including NATO, and other rich Gulf nations to experiment their desire.

Here is an article from NYTimes

Official Admits Militancy’s Deep Roots in Pakistan

PSTAN-articleLarge.jpg


The sister of a police officer, Zulfiqar Ali, mourned next to his coffin before his burial in Lahore, Pakistan, on Tuesday. He was killed when militants stormed a hospital on Sunday.

By JANE PERLEZ
Published: June 2, 2010

LAHORE, Pakistan — Days after one of the worst terrorist attacks in Pakistan, a senior Pakistani official declared in a surprising public admission that extremist groups were entrenched in the southern portion of the nation’s most populous province, underscoring the growing threats to the state.

Related
Times Topic: Pakistan
Enlarge This Image

Anjum Naveed/Associated Press
Rehman Malik, Pakistan’s interior minister, said militants were entrenched in the southern portion of Punjab Province.
The statements by the interior minister, Rehman Malik, after the killing of more than 80 people at two mosques last week here in Lahore, were exceptional because few Pakistani politicians have acknowledged so explicitly the deep roots of militancy in Pakistan. They also highlighted the seeming impotence of the civilian government to root out the militant groups, even in Punjab Province, providing a troubling recognition that decades of state policy to nurture extremism had come home to roost in the very heart of the country.

The extent of the problem has become an increasing concern for the United States, which has pressed the government to deal with the issue with renewed urgency since the failed attempt by a Pakistani-American to explode a car bomb in Times Square.

“We’re dealing with a problem that is so deeply burrowed into the bosom of the society,” said a senior Western official about the difficulty of loosening the grip of the militant groups. “And we’re dealing with a government that is unhappy within itself.”

The problem for Pakistan, Western officials and some Pakistani politicians said, is not only the specific acts of terrorism by these groups, but the far more pervasive jihadi mentality that has been nurtured in the society by an extensive network of extremist madrasas and mosques.

Mr. Malik’s remarks — in which he rattled off a host of extremist groups once supported by the state — were a nod to these larger problems. In contrast to the tribal areas at the nation’s periphery, where the military is battling the Pakistani Taliban on several fronts, militants were “now active” in the southern part of Punjab and were trying to “destabilize the country,” he said.

Though Mr. Malik seemed to hint at possible military action in Punjab, the civilian government, led by the Pakistan Peoples Party, the more secular of the political parties in Pakistan, has little leverage to make it happen.

The Pakistani military, which still holds most power, has shown little interest in taking on extremist groups in Punjab. The province is a major recruiting area for the army, and many of the militant groups there were created by the state decades ago and have been fostered since as arms of Pakistan’s enduring anti-India strategy.

To a large degree, they have slipped from the control of their handlers in the military and intelligence services, according to Western diplomats and Pakistani security experts, and have linked up with Taliban fighters and other militant groups that are now striking deeper into Pakistan in an effort to overthrow the state.

Today these militants move back and forth easily between the tribal areas for training and Punjab, where they carry out a rising number of spectacular attacks.

“They — Lashkar-e-Janghvi, the Sipah-e-Sohaba Pakistan and Jaish-e-Mohammad — are allies of the Taliban and Al Qaeda,” Mr. Malik told reporters in Lahore after the mosque attacks.

The loose conglomerate of militants that Mr. Malik listed is now being grouped by officials and others under the name of the Punjabi Taliban, a designation that itself highlights the expanding nature of the threat in Pakistan’s most important province and the militants’ shifting ambitions. Under that rubric also falls Lashkar-e-Taiba, an anti-India militant group. Like the others listed by Mr. Malik, Lashkar-e-Taiba has been banned by the state, but continues to operate under a different name and apparently with the blessing of the military.

The Punjabi Taliban took credit for the assaults on the two Ahmadi mosques last Friday. At least one of the men arrested by the Pakistani authorities in connection with the Times Square bombing case is connected to Jaish-e-Mohammed, according to law enforcement officials in Karachi.

Adding to the difficulty of clamping down on the groups, the Punjabi government, led by Shahbaz Sharif, a leader of the more conservative Pakistan Muslim League-N and a chief political rival of President Asif Ali Zardari, has stopped short of condemning the militants. In some respects, he has treated them as allies.

Two months ago, Mr. Sharif asked the Taliban to stay away from Punjab, arguing that his party and the Taliban had a common enemy in the United States. The Punjab government is “in a state of denial,” said Arif Nizami, a columnist with the newspaper The News. Mr. Sharif played down the attack on the two mosques in Lahore, Punjab’s capital. Instead, he visited the wounded survivors in a hospital quietly at night without the usual television coverage.

The groups hold such sway that Pakistani politicians frequently pander to some, like the pro-Taliban Sipah-e-Sohaba Pakistan, during elections.

In a bold illustration of the power of one of the militant groups in southern Punjab, the provincial law minister, Rana Sanaullah, campaigned alongside the leader of Sipah-e-Sohaba, Maulana Muhammad Ahmed Ludhianvi, during a March by-election for the provincial assembly in the city of Jhang.

In an interview, Mr. Sanaullah, said he saw nothing wrong with campaigning with Mr. Ludhianvi. It was a good thing, he said, because it helped bring groups that he described as no longer militant into the democratic mainstream. “If they want to be law-abiding citizens, we should allow them to be,” Mr. Sanaullah said.

Mr. Sanaullah was not alone in seeking votes from Sipah-e-Sohaba. A candidate for the National Assembly running for the Pakistan Peoples Party also won with its support earlier this year.

Though security is a paramount concern, government officials and others acknowledge that the problem of militancy will not be solved by military force alone. Having been nurtured through generations, it will also not be undone quickly.

A program announced by Mr. Zardari two years ago to rein in the madrasas has yet to get off the ground, blocked by bureaucratic inertia and fears of a backlash from powerful conservative religious groups, Pakistani officials say. As state-sponsored education becomes too expensive for poor parents, the number of madrasas has actually increased in the past three years, to more than 17,000 in 2010 from 13,000 in 2007. At least several thousand of the madrasas churn out militant students, experts say.


Waqar Gillani contributed reporting.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/world/asia/03pstan.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
===================================

The problem lies in the Ideology and in the mind set of Pakistan Politicians and People. They have to get separated the jihad mentality from every mind. The onus like on the government and the people, like trying to accept the problem and the cause and then finding a solution. It a typical mentality in Pakistan, to not to accept the truth. For everything there is a conspiracy theory like the author of the blog(first post), people are living in conspiracy theory and politicians and terrorist groups are fuelling them. These terrorist groups like

Talliban,Pakistan-Taliban, Al Qaeda, LET, Sipah-e-Sohaba Pakistan, Jaish-e-mohammed and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi

are all cultured by Pakistan. It's time for them to Harvest them completely.
 
there has to be an End to this. With Economy crumbling,Our Army dying and sucide bombings and bomb blasts rising with no end to drone strikes in sight, Pakistan is tottering towards a state of anarchy.
The Cuban cigar smoking generals should realize that its time they stop serving there idols in DC. Going ahead with this War will only land us in a more ugly situation. Not to speak of the true desires of our jingoistic and hostile neighbor.
Oh noez!!the Talibans are made from Indo-Israeli zionist DNA and are dropped on Pakistan from 30,000 foot through Stealthly Cloud-of-Mossad.Muslims can't do this!They're pious!The rapists and robbers in our country are also not muslims.They're western agents!
 
are you blind to see the contribution PA made in this war
and you're suggesting we should waste all PA achievements by stopping this war and let waziristan be a no go area again?You're a disgrace to our Army.The scum of the earth aka Taliban will be finished by Army..It's only a matter of time.
 
but are still in a confusion wether its our war or not, there's no point in talking who's war it is? the very fact is that we are getting most affected by Terrorism & we have to win this war NOW(whether its our or not thats not the question)

we need to get out of denial & identify the problem

i do agree that we have to get rid of this menace of terrorism. I do support the notion that Pakistani Laws as vested in the constitution should be enforced in these lawless areas.
But in the current scenario that is the PA being overstretched in ops in south waziristan , orakzai and Bajour plus the the issue of consolidating the gains in these areas one simply cannot go ahead with this war anymore as by doing so the PA will creat muti front war. There are simply not enough assets in the equation to go forward with this war anymore.
I do wish that PA compleetely eradicates the extremist mindset from tribal areas but solely on its own time line without the pressure from any external entity. Unless the hard earned gains in South Waziristan, Orakzai and Bajur are not consolidated along with infrastructural development which includes schools,hospitals and other basic facilities of life PA should not dare to open another front. Time for going in "NOW" is not feasible at all , yes the PA should go ahead with this chain of Battles , but only one at a time . Currently there are few packets of resistances in Swat, South Waziristan,Orakzai, it should be eliminated completely. It should not be an effort of just going in for a kill stretched over time which a Military op takes but rather a gradual one with engaging one,then consolidating the gains there and handing it over to civil services(Police and GoP) then going inside the next one. It will take more than a decade to get rid of this.

If we act upon the pressure of west to engage a multifront War than theres no use of making this effort as it will be costly both interms of human life,Millitary strength,Economy which might result in a state of anarchy with Pakistan easily getting into the shackles of external forces.
 
☪☪☪☪;904623 said:
Oh noez!!the Talibans are made from Indo-Israeli zionist DNA and are dropped on Pakistan from 30,000 foot through Stealthly Cloud-of-Mossad.Muslims can't do this!They're pious!The rapists and robbers in our country are also not muslims.They're western agents!

No they are sent by illuminati <O> ..:disagree:
 
There are simply not enough assets in the equation to go forward with this war anymore.
Time for going in "NOW" is not feasible at all , yes the PA should go ahead with this chain of Battles , but only one at a time .

What are you DGMO?Your Major General Rank works on Def.pk only.The Real DGMO at GHQ i am sure is aware of these issues and operation will start when logistics is in place.
 
Pakistan should invite pushtoon tribes for peace talks and use army for recontruction for swat and FATA .

WOT is fake war nothing else .
 
The logic is quit valid.. i believe in it why, coz i witness all which has been mentioned i have seen my innocent countrymen dying without any reason in this purposeless war.No matter how much you bleed yourself there will never be a guarantee of a strengthening Pak-US relations. There will always be something for them to whine and blame at Pakistan forcing it to indulge in an open end conflict thus resulting in an anarchy and lawlessness. Going the American way is simply not an option anymore..:agree:

I have an simple answer to that question of yours. Let US in your territory to fight Al queda and they will go away after the mission is done....

Then there will be no drone attacks and killing of innocent....
 
I have an simple answer to that question of yours. Let US in your territory to fight Al queda and they will go away after the mission is done....

Then there will be no drone attacks and killing of innocent....

Give me one good example where West has gone in and finished the business. Yes they will go away but leaving a bigger mess behind (that's what history tells us).
US had a golden change in Afghanistan to finish their business before but they opened a new front in Iraq and left Al queda to regroup people who were hiding in caves.
 
there has to be an End to this. With Economy crumbling,Our Army dying and sucide bombings and bomb blasts rising with no end to drone strikes in sight, Pakistan is tottering towards a state of anarchy.
The Cuban cigar smoking generals should realize that its time they stop serving there idols in DC. Going ahead with this War will only land us in a more ugly situation. Not to speak of the true desires of our jingoistic and hostile neighbor.

All great transorfmations require sacrifice. If Pakistan is to prosper in the future, than the blood must be shed. Soldiers must lay down their lives so their childern can walk to school without the fear of being struck by suicide bombers
 
Give me one good example where West has gone in and finished the business. Yes they will go away but leaving a bigger mess behind (that's what history tells us).
US had a golden change in Afghanistan to finish their business before but they opened a new front in Iraq and left Al queda to regroup people who were hiding in caves.

That is completly a false statement by you sir...

Infact US plans where to encircle Al queda at the border, but the people who did not produce the results where Pakistanies, Infact there is a great long discussion on this issue on both sides of this argument, read it first and then make what is what...(tora bora issue)

I am one of those that believes that Pakistanie wanted this because of there future protection (reason of being not being encirlced). And that still exist!!!
 
All great transorfmations require sacrifice. If Pakistan is to prosper in the future, than the blood must be shed. Soldiers must lay down their lives so their childern can walk to school without the fear of being struck by suicide bombers

WOT is war of US ,why our nation give sacrifice?

Army generals and corrupt politicians getting money for this war. shame on them.
 
Jeypore - That is your theory.So let me guess if you attack moists and moists leave india and go to China.Is it your stupid mistake or China?US should've launched op's before deploying enough troops and that area did not have any Pakistani troops and US knew it.
 
That is completly a false statement by you sir...

Infact US plans where to encircle Al queda at the border, but the people who did not produce the results where Pakistanies, Infact there is a great long discussion on this issue on both sides of this argument, read it first and then make what is what...(tora bora issue)

I am one of those that believes that Pakistanie wanted this because of there future protection (reason of being not being encirlced). And that still exist!!!

Ya Blame Pakistan , US had two air bases in Pakistan one with licenses to use unman aircrafts, which still is. Pakistan has done more then even US has excepted.
 
Back
Top Bottom