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Charlie Rose does a pathetic job trying to conduct an interview while the Taliban spokesman continue to destroy his propoganda..


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Mr Hashmi at University of Southern Carlifonia
 
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From their actual course and cause to their new strategies against civilians these talibans have become true barbarians. I do not care what charlie says and how taliban spokes person counter him the fact of the matter it these talibans have destroyed people on both side of the border in afghanistan and Pakistan and must be dealt with accordingly by blowing up their place along them.
 
you do know, talibans have many sections, the good talibans and the bad ones, the good ones are fighting ameicans, for their country, while the bad one are mercenaries, who take money from CIA and work for them, you do realize that dont you???
 
you do know, talibans have many sections, the good talibans and the bad ones, the good ones are fighting ameicans, for their country, while the bad one are mercenaries, who take money from CIA and work for them, you do realize that dont you???

You do know, U-571, that we are only talking here about the Taliban who are violent? All of the Taliban who are violent are evil and misusers of Islam to justify their evil deeds. The "good" Taliban are in madrassas studying.
 
From their actual course and cause to their new strategies against civilians these talibans have become true barbarians. I do not care what charlie says and how taliban spokes person counter him the fact of the matter it these talibans have destroyed people on both side of the border in afghanistan and Pakistan and must be dealt with accordingly by blowing up their place along them.
Better not to talk about something you don't know just because of perception. Growing up during the cold war and actually being involved in the Afghan war, I have a very different perspective of Taliban. The talibans were neither barbarians not some outlaw warlords. The initial wave of Taliban were sane headed english speaking truly patriotic people of Afghanistan. Who were talking about rebuilding Afghanistan, attractive foreign investment and bringing in education however. continued sanctions and suppression by international community pushed them into barbarity.

Osama binladen did most part for radicalization of Taliban using his money and hate propaganda against the west. With a rapidly crippling government and international sanctions, OBL found many recruits and completely destroyed the movement. The presence of Arab and jihad propaganda of OBL has been of extreme discomfort to Pashtun leaders and fighters. In the worlds of one Taliban fighter..."we are fighting for Afghanistan, not from Afghanistan"

Most likely, the attacks on American embassies was another false flag instigation much like 9/11.

you do know, talibans have many sections, the good talibans and the bad ones, the good ones are fighting ameicans, for their country, while the bad one are mercenaries, who take money from CIA and work for them, you do realize that dont you???
Talibans were never a single faction nor they had formal membership system. Anyone could claim to be Taliban and raise a banner.
 
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Better not to talk about something you don't know just because of perception. Growing up during the cold war and actually being involved in the Afghan war, I have a very different perspective of Taliban. The talibans were neither barbarians not some outlaw warlords. The initial wave of Taliban were sane headed english speaking truly patriotic people of Afghanistan. Who were talking about rebuilding Afghanistan, attractive foreign investment and bringing in education however. continued sanctions and suppression by international community pushed them into barbarity.

My friend don't flareup, If your taliban friends are fair and good they should broadcast and declare through their special envoy or spokes person officially on their beloved Al-Jazeera TV that they will not fight use violence and weapons against Pakistan in general and on the outskirts of bordering area with Pakistan. If they want peace and power in afghanistan they will have to adopt civilized diplomatic posture.

If you had taken time to read my post's very first line I told you "From their actual course and cause to their new strategies".

That initial wave is dead and long gone they've turned into beasts of afghanistan brutally spreading violence where-ever they go. Don't forget when soviets left afghanistan these were the same jahil who fought in afghanistan for the Power instead of the betterment of afghanistan and you take them as sane headed? A year or so of their sane rule doesn't make them better afghanistan was pretty much ruined in their time as well they could have adopted and enforced the rules and laws in a civilized manner then in barbaric way.
 
My friend don't flareup, If your taliban friends are fair and good they should broadcast and declare through their special envoy or spokes person officially on their beloved Al-Jazeera TV that they will not fight use violence and weapons against Pakistan in general and on the outskirts of bordering area with Pakistan. If they want peace and power in afghanistan they will have to adopt civilized diplomatic posture.

If you had taken time to read my post's very first line I told you "From their actual course and cause to their new strategies".

That initial wave is dead and long gone they've turned into beasts of afghanistan brutally spreading violence where-ever they go. Don't forget when soviets left afghanistan these were the same jahil who fought in afghanistan for the Power instead of the betterment of afghanistan and you take them as sane headed? A year or so of their sane rule doesn't make them better afghanistan was pretty much ruined in their time as well they could have adopted and enforced the rules and laws in a civilized manner then in barbaric way.

The barbarian wave started after international sanctions and global boycott of Afghanistan government. If you push a person into starvation he will take desperate measures. That was the case with Afghanistan. The west aka infidel needs regular cause to wage war for profit..and they will continue to create boogeyman out of nothing. The sooner we realize this the better.
 
If they want peace and power in afghanistan and prosperity for the common man they will have to adopt civilized diplomatic posture and meet certain demands of the international community or Govt in order to get access to what is good for afghanistan.

AK-47 is not going to solve problems nor the Islamic version of crusade against infidels lets leave that christian/muslim jihad to end of times and move on live in the real world where people have many different problems that needs to be addressed from food, shelter, health, jobs, electricity and no jihad against infidels because most of it would be coming from the west incase because arabs will and never had contributed to any muslim cause for the past 2 millennium..
 
If they want peace and power in afghanistan and prosperity for the common man they will have to adopt civilized diplomatic posture and meet certain demands of the international community or Govt in order to get access to what is good for afghanistan.

AK-47 is not going to solve problems nor the Islamic version of crusade against infidels lets leave that christian/muslim jihad to end of times and move on live in the real world where people have many different problems that needs to be addressed from food, shelter, health, jobs, electricity and no jihad against infidels because most of it would be coming from the west incase because arabs will and never had contributed to any muslim cause for the past 2 millennium..
Do you intentionally push a man into starvation and then complain about his savagery when you know you are holding back his vital nutrition? This is an argument of dog chasing the tail! One of gem of Taliban secret is that most of the savagery and barbarity was instilled by the Pastun Talibans joining from Pakistan side which the actual Afghan Talibans were strongly opposed to as they considered it a national security threat to Afghanistan however, given Taliban dependence on Pakistan and ethnic makeup, there is little they could do to stop it.



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Thursday, December 4, 1997 Published at 19:27 GMT



World: West Asia

Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline
image: [ The 1,300km pipeline will carry gas across Afghanistan's harsh terrain ]
The 1,300km pipeline will carry gas across Afghanistan's harsh terrain

A senior delegation from the Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in the United States for talks with an international energy company that wants to construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to Pakistan.

A spokesman for the company, Unocal, said the Taleban were expected to spend several days at the company's headquarters in Sugarland, Texas.

Unocal says it has agreements both with Turkmenistan to sell its gas and with Pakistan to buy it.


[ image: The Afghan economy has been devasted by 20 years of civil war]
The Afghan economy has been devasted by 20 years of civil war
But, despite the civil war in Afghanistan, Unocal has been in competition with an Argentinian firm, Bridas, to actually construct the pipeline.

Last month, the Argentinian firm, Bridas, announced that it was close to signing a two-billion dollar deal to build the pipeline, which would carry gas 1,300 kilometres from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, across Afghanistan.

In May, Taleban-controlled radio in Kabul said a visiting delegation from an Argentinian company had announced that pipeline construction would start "soon".


[ image: Kabul]
Kabul
The radio has reported several visits to Kabul by Unocal and Bridas company officials over the past few months.

A BBC regional correspondent says the proposal to build a pipeline across Afghanistan is part of an international scramble to profit from developing the rich energy resources of the Caspian Sea.

With the various Afghan factions still at war, the project has looked from the outside distinctly unpromising.

Last month the Taleban Minister of Information and Culture, Amir Khan Muttaqi, said the Taleban had held talks with both American and Argentine-led consortia over transit rights but that no final agreement had yet been reached. He said an official team from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan should meet to ensure each country benefited from any deal.

However, Unocal clearly believes it is still in with a chance - to the extent that it has already begun training potential staff.

It has commissioned the University of Nebraska to teach Afghan men the technical skills needed for pipeline construction. Nearly 140 people were enrolled last month in Kandahar and Unocal also plans to hold training courses for women in administrative skills.


[ image: Women face working restrictions under Taleban rule]
Women face working restrictions under Taleban rule
Although the Taleban authorities only allow women to work in the health sector, organisers of the training say they haven't so far raised any objections.

The BBC regional correspondent says the Afghan economy has been devastated by 20 years of civil war. A deal to go ahead with the pipeline project could give it a desperately-needed boost.

But peace must be established first -- and that for the moment still seems a distant prospect.


Source: BBC News | West Asia | Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline



There is every reason to believe 9/11 as an inside job to clean up America's image and its links with rouge regimes it helped create and install. In the coming years, the history of war on terror will be written as an accomplishment of betrayal and deception.

The Talibans were not some anti-america savage cave men..among their ranks were highly educated and qualified people with sense of nation building, international trade, economy etc etc however with situation growing worse day by day and many of the sane headed leaving the movement, Afghanistan became a fertile ground for Taliban rival Alquaida. I say rival because part of the terms for refugee granted to OBL enforced no political or militant activity.
 
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So the question is where are those men who wanted betterment for afghanistan where have they gone why don't they come out and disown the trouble makers inside their taliban organization and why did they first supported those nut jobs lunatics insiders who wanted war with the superior western forces.

With the various Afghan factions still at war, the project has looked from the outside distinctly unpromising.

Pretty much sums up that the afghan taliban/jihadi groups have destabilized afghanistan themselves after soviets left and crippled the minds of the society. After soviet-afghan war from day one the blame goes to them. They should have invited all groups united them for the development and betterment of afghanistan and should have expelled any outsider who wanted jihad as literally war ended. Although they tired as your post suggests but failed as the jihadi master OBL took over hijacked and bribed certain senior members of taliban/freedom fighters.

Now the west needs to be careful as well they need to hand over afghanistan to a right party that is comprised of all ethinics in equal number representing afghanistan so that the focus is only development of afghanistan and good working relationship with regional neighbors Pakistan and Iran.
 
All of that would be possible if they had a recognized government which would help them represent Afghanistan to the world and invite support from abroad in terms of investments and education. With economic situation deteriorating fast, the Taliban lost the grip and country splintered. The actual crime of Taliban was that they refused to hand the TAP pipeline deal to UnoCAL on favorable deals and instead argued for a fair competition between Argentinean and American company. The second crime of Taliban could be forced disarment of rival militants and destruction of poppy cultivation which pretty much deprived rival factions from power and ensured that there would be no foreign elements controlling Afghanistan political landscape. Poppy smuggling played the vital role in deciding who has the power because foreign elements would help their favorite factions peddle narcotics in international markets to finance their support base as well purchase arms.

I am not saying the Talibans were 100% successful in their goals but neither they claimed the same. Improvements were needed and would come over time if international community was willing to help. The security and economic scape of Pakistan would be completely different today if Kabul was ruled by Talibans today with international legitimacy.
 

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