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Taiwan setting up 20-25 squadrons to operate shore-base anti-ship missiles

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Taiwan is in the process of standing up between 20 to 25 squadrons in its navy to operate three types of anti-ship missiles.

ROCN Hsiung Feng II & Hsiung Feng III Anti-Ship Missile Launchers Truck Display at Zuoying Naval Base Ground 20151024
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Media reports in Taiwan say these units will be equipped with Hsiung Feng II, Hsiung Feng III, extended-range Hsiung Feng III, and Harpoon missiles in the future.

To support these units, new facilities such as ammunition depots, a driver training center, a maintenance center, and garages, will be built over the next few years.

The strategy will be to send these units to mountainous areas and tunnels during wartime to protect them against incoming attacks.

These squadrons are expected to be fully established by 2026.

 
To support these units, new facilities such as ammunition depots, a driver training center, a maintenance center, and garages, will be built over the next few years.

These squadrons are expected to be fully established by 2026.


That's ridiculous! If Taiwanese society truly, truly cares about remaining independent of the CCP, it would have already put these assets in place. Now, in light of the CCP's support of the invasion of the Ukraine, they should obviously mount a crash program to get an anti-seabourne invasion defense done in the next year's time. Nothing else should matter to their government and society. If they don't, then we (the American public) will know that they are not serious about their own freedom, so why should we be serious about it?
 
Gonna be juicy targets for drones.

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And those drones will be juicy targets for the Taiwanese air defences and Air Force 😉
 
And those drones will be juicy targets for the Taiwanese air defences and Air Force 😉
That's okay. They're cheap and easily replaced. Some can be manufactured for a little as $3 million.

Assuming there are any trace of air defences and air force left after a week of missile and rocket bombardment.
 
War of attrition, Pacific style.

Air space will be contested for the first 1 or 2 days, but it's going to be very one sided after that. Unlike Russian air force which lacked sufficient PGM and had to perform low altitude bombing runs/rocket attacks, China has plenty of stand-off PGM that won't risk launch platform to MANPADS. Even better, the size of Taiwan is smaller than Donbass region, so there is nowhere to hide from AEW aircraft and surveillance satellite. The entire island is within range of long range MRL systems like PHL-16. Detection = destruction for any Taiwan military asset.

Don't take my word for it. Look what the Brits had to say 2 years ago.


 
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Air space will be contested for the first 1 or 2 days, but it's going to be very one sided after that. Unlike Russian air force which lacked sufficient PGM and had to perform low altitude bombing runs/rocket attacks, China has plenty of stand-off PGM that won't risk launch platform to MANPADS. Even better, the size of Taiwan is smaller than Donbass region, so there is nowhere to hide from AEW aircraft and surveillance satellite. The entire island is within range of long range MRL systems like PHL-16. Detection = destruction for any Taiwan military asset.

Don't take my word for it. Look what the Brits had to say 2 years ago.


If it looks like China were to invade its always possible the US could fly in $10-20 billion in munitions and platforms around the clock and change the dynamic. How would China respond? Sure, it’s not like Ukraine where supplies are continuous, but unless China has a really huge stockpile of PGMs ready, the Taiwanese could far out the fight till western sanctions severely effecting China.
 
If it looks like China were to invade its always possible the US could fly in $10-20 billion in munitions and platforms around the clock and change the dynamic. How would China respond? Sure, it’s not like Ukraine where supplies are continuous, but unless China has a really huge stockpile of PGMs ready, the Taiwanese could far out the fight till western sanctions severely effecting China.

All those toys will be concentrated on a small island less than half the size of areas currently occupied by Russia in Ukraine. Once Taiwan's C3I, air force and air defenses are sufficiently degraded , drones can slowly wear down the rest like how Azerbaijan wore down Armenia with drones. Remember, it's China that gets to dictate when and where the ground campaign begins. The blockade, missile/drone strikes could last for weeks before first landing starts. See the Iraqi army after Desert Shield for reference. All those weapons will make a nice collection to be sold to America's opponents in its next wars.

As far as Western sanction goes, China isn't Russia. China is the world's largest manufacturer and largest consumer market. It's a whole different ball game trying to impose the same level of sanctions without massively degrading standard of living in the West.
 
And those drones will be juicy targets for the Taiwanese air defences and Air Force 😉
There isn't any anti-air systems or electricity to speak of after China's initial round of missile attack. The 2nd round of rockets will pretty much take out the less-critical infrastrure. After the 3rd round of precision-guided missiles, Taiwan's remaining forces will be fighting in the blind if still fighting. They still won't see PLA planes or ships yet. Man-pads can't shoot down these drones.
 
All those toys will be concentrated on a small island less than half the size of areas currently occupied by Russia in Ukraine. Once Taiwan's C3I, air force and air defenses are sufficiently degraded , drones can slowly wear down the rest like how Azerbaijan wore down Armenia with drones. Remember, it's China that gets to dictate when and where the ground campaign begins. The blockade, missile/drone strikes could last for weeks before first landing starts. See the Iraqi army after Desert Shield for reference. All those weapons will make a nice collection to be sold to America's opponents in its next wars.

As far as Western sanction goes, China isn't Russia. China is the world's largest manufacturer and largest consumer market. It's a whole different ball game trying to impose the same level of sanctions without massively degrading standard of living in the West.
You are in no position to use Desert Shield/Storm. :lol:

First, China do not get to dictate the time for war against Taiwan. The weather does. And Taiwan know that window.

Second, precisely because the weather dictate the time of the invasion fleet launch, the secondary effect is that any pre-invasion actions will be time limited, meaning unlike Desert Storm, the PLA will not have time on its side to 'soften' up Taiwanese defense. How much munition will China stockpile? Four weeks like Desert Storm? Six? Eight? Ten? In Desert Storm, the air campaign lasted approximately four weeks but that was not because we make that time span a milestone. We did not say that after four weeks, the Army will move. We did the usual required battle damage assessments (BDA) and decided that the Iraqi Army was sufficiently weakened for the Army, and it happened to be in that four weeks mark.

The PLA will not have that benefit to invade Taiwan.


...armada of People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) invasion ships would have to contend with the strip of water and its gales, high winds, powerful waves, heavy fog, pounding rain, strong currents, and typhoons between late October and April.

That mean China have between May thru Sept or roughly 5 months or roughly 150 days. But what about the tides on the prospective Taiwan landing sites? You want your fleet to land on HIGH TIDES, not low tides, because the more beach real estate your forces have to travel at low tides, the more vulnerable they will be. That means both China and Taiwan will know the approximate invasion date inside that 150 days, which mean the window is less than 150 days. Let us be generous to China and say 120 days to find the best day to launch the invasion fleet based on weather and high tides. How much of that 120 days will be allotted for blockade and bombardment?

No, Desert Storm is much less of a reference for China than you think.
 
As long as Taiwan keeps status quo China keeps winning daily and getting stronger
 

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