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bro this is not an entertainment forum,,

we are all hear to share our knowledge, i am not trying to humiliate anyone but if the news is ture and is mentioned by some official i assure you that i will be much more happier then you or anyone else.

if you can sort out some time and go throught the thread you will find that main point of debate here has been that we have been hearing about Ft2000 and SPADA since year now and nothing practical have happened so far, let alone starting a party on a troll.

i request that we must provide reference of what ever we say so that good constructive discussion can prevail, which, for me, if the main reason to be on this forum.

i hope you agree!

regards!

Im sorry i was joking above bro...But anywayz to tell u the truth PA never bringz out stuff unless itz completely done ...specifically under present cicumstances...The PA is concentrating to develop its own defence systemz to achieve the goal of self sufficiency in the time of need....ure right we've been hearing for a long time about the above stuff...but nothng cameout specific about it ..just suspicions...maybe it looks like PA strategy to surprise its enemies in the dark..bro
my 2 cents
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There is a thread on this forum where i think we discussed that Pakistan already acquired FT-9 system......

so why all the talks again?

FT-9?? :what:
i havent ever heared of thi s one, can youcare to explain?

regards!
 
Lokks like they luv like talking again and again..nothngelse to do...:woot::hitwall::chilli::lol:
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by the way if you know something about this can you shed some ouf your universal knowledge on this one.
i guess we are all fools here excepth you and you are the only one who can teach us some manners!
 
there has been report that PA is currently using the RBS 23 SAM system. the RBS 23 is also a point defense systme like alomst all other pakistani SAMs

RBS 23 BAMSE
The Swedish medium range RBS 23 BAMSE surface-to-air missile, developed by Bofors and Ericsson, is intended to provide air defense to vital targets such as air bases, command centers, and mobile army forces, by facing a number of threats: anti-radiation missiles and other stand-off weapons, fighter bombers, helicopters and transport aircraft. Pre-series production was scheduled to start in 1998, leading to series production being launched in 2000. The project is in jeopardy because of the austerity program, and the future of BAMSE will be decided by the cabinet.
In 1993, the Swedish Government ordered full-scale development of the BAMSE Air Defence Missile System. BAMSE is a joint venture between Bofors Missiles and Ericsson Microwave Systems in which Bofors has the overall system responsibility. Series production will begin at the turn of the century.
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The system has all-weather capability and a missile range exceeding the stand-off distance for electro-optical controlled weapons. With an effective altitude coverage of more than 12 km and a range of 15 km, the BAMSE system is suitable not only for protection of vital military objects and manoeuvrable ground forces, but also for protection of infrastructure vital to an entire nation. In cases where a stand-off missile is released from an aircraft outside the range of the air defence system, BAMSE is still capable of defeating the attacking missile.
A BAMSE battery comprises one Surveillance Co-ordination Center (SCC) and two to four Missile Control Centers (MCCs). The Surveillance Co-ordination Center (SCC) SCC has a 3D-surveillance radar with a characteristic 8 or 12 m high antenna mast which enables it to operate over terrain obstacles. The SCC includes such features as automatic tracking, continuous threat evaluation and combat co-ordination. Up to four MCCs can be individually co-ordinated by an SCC. It also has the capability to co-ordinate and control other types of Air Defence systems. The MCCs communicate with the SCC by cable, fibre optic cable or different types of radio. The distance to the SCC may vary, but 10 km can be regarded as a standard distance.
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The Missile Control Center (MCC) contains all the essential elements for Combat Control and Fire Control. The MCC is towed by a cross-country vehicle which also transports missiles for reloading. Deployment and fire preparations can be carried out in less than 10 minutes. The MCC Fire Control Radar, Thermal Imaging System, IFF and weather sensor are mounted on a stabilised platform on top of a raisable 8 metre high mast. Guidance of the missile in trajectory is carried out by the Fire Control Radar which is a further development of the Ericsson Eagle radar and operates on the Ka band, i.e. 34-35 GHz. The capability of the MCC to acquire and track low-flying targets is considerably improved by the fact that it is possible to look over obstacles near the deployment site. Inside the NBC- and splinter-protected MCC, two operators are provided with a state-of-the-art situational awareness to enable optimal use of the system.

The missile launcher is located on the roof of the MCC and contains four ready-to-fire missiles. Complete reloading takes less than 3 minutes.
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The BAMSE missile has high acceleration and subsequently maintained high velocity, resulting in short time-of-flight, even at long ranges. The missile will maintain its high manoeuvrability right up to the range limit. The high velocity missile has a proximity fuze and an impact fuze. The warhead provides lethal effect against all types of aerial targets, from small, high velocity targets such as cruise missiles and anti-radiation missiles, to large low-speed targets such as transport aircraft

this is actually a actually more or less equivalent to the Cortale system that is in servise with PAF and PA.

regadrs!
 
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SPADA, another point defense systme Pakistan is pursueing. i seriously hope we do get them but still tere will be need of some high altitude, long range SAM system:

Pakistan To Test-Fire Italy Air Defense Missiles
By tom kington
Published: 7 Apr 2010 09:43 Print | EmailROME -
Pakistan will test-fire in July the Spada 2000 air defense system acquired from MBDA Italia, a source at the firm said April 7.
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The Spada test-firing will follow the delivery of the first of ten Spada batteries ordered by Pakistan for 415 million euros in 2007. Antonio Perfetti, CEO of MBDA Italia, said that delivery of the battery was currently underway.

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All 10 batteries are due for delivery by 2013, and further orders from Pakistan could follow, Perfetti said. MBDA Italia is the Finmeccanica-owned Italian operation within the European missile house MBDA.

"We have identified 95 percent of the offset arrangements on the Spada contract," said Perfetti, who added that offset was less than the full value of the contract. "A facility has already been set aside for munition assembly and other firms have been given work commitments."
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MBDA is also pitching an extended range version of its Marte anti-ship missile to India, for likely use on Sea King helicopters. The normal range, Marte Mk2-S version has now been delivered to the Italian Navy.

"We started talking to the Indian Navy two years ago and we are obtaining an operational requirement for helicopters to serve as a base for future cooperation," said MBDA CEO Antoine Bouvier, who was holding a press conference in Rome alongside Perfetti.

"We are considering launching a demonstrator that could be ready in 18-24 months," Perfetti said. "The model for this fast, low risk approach was the Complex Weapons program in the UK."

"We are looking for export customers interested in upgrade versions of products," Bouvier said. "We see it as a way of partly funding upgrades that our national customers could be interested in. The extended range Marte is an example."

MBDA Italia is also working with Italy's Alenia Aermacchi to mount the Marte missile on the light combat fighter version of the firm's M-346 jet trainer, Perfetti said.

MBDA Italia saw revenue of 450 million euros in 2009, 17.3 percent of total group revenues of 2.6 billion euros. The Italian unit's orders constituted 25 percent of the group order book, Perfetti said. Return on Sales in Italy was lower than the ten percent recorded at group level, he added, without giving the percentage. Spending on research and development at MBDA Italia rose by 60 percent last year.

MBDA's Italian operation is also working on the MEADS missile defense system launched by the U.S., Germany and Italy. Bouvier said the Critical Design Review at system level should be completed by mid-year.

"We have a contract that runs up to the Review and we have now started discussions on a production contract," he said.

Bouvier played down continuing doubts over the program in the U.S.

"We think this program will be strongly supported in the context of Transatlantic cooperation," he said. "We expect all milestones to be met in 2010," said Perfetti.

perhaps this is amongst the recent most developments on the project we have been discussing for some 6 years now.
i hope we wont have to wai any more!

regards!
 
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regarding the same development: (another recent article from this year)
High tech air defence system to be integrated into PAF in next few days
ISLAMABAD: State of the art air defence system will be integrated into Pakistan Air Force (PAF) within a few days.

Defence sources told this news agency that air defence system had been named SPADA and Pakistan had acquired it from Italy. This system will become fully operational next week and it will help boost capabilities of PAF.
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Sources told radar system had also been modernized in the new air defence system and it would enhance the combat might of PAF.

A special ceremony would be held in the next week for inclusion of this system in PAF. Air Chief Marshall Rao Qamar had already informed president Asif Ali Zardari and prime minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani about this system and they had also said new air defence system was need of the country.
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with a range of about 25Km, this systme if finally accquired is going to be a good addition

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as discussed in above post, the SPADA is a point defence system. i hope we can get out hands on to some long range high altitude SAM systme as well. in current political scenario of Pakistan and South Asia, FT-2000 would be a perfect choice:

FT-2000
Country: China
Basing: Land [/B]

Details

In a report to Congress on May 28, 2004, the U.S. Department of Defense highlighted the major improvements that China has made to its air and missile defense systems over the past few years, including “[the] development of an antiradiation SAM [surface-to-air missile], most likely intended to target AWACS [Airborne Warning and Control System] aircraft and standoff jamming platforms.”(1)



The report was referring specifically to the FT-2000, a Chinese anti-radiation surface-to-air missile system designed to counter electronic jamming aircraft, AWACS aircraft, and other air radiation wave targets. Developed and manufactured by the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) during the late 1990s, the FT-2000 is also believed to be capable of destroying tactical ballistic missiles, similar to the U.S. Patriot and the Russian S-300P systems on which it is based.(2) At present, two versions exist, the mobile FT-2000 and the fixed-based FT-2000A.(3)

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The FT-2000 is the direct result of a concerted effort by China to eliminate an inherent vulnerability in medium- and long-range surface-to-air missiles: jamming. For decades, air and missile defense systems like the Patriot and the S-300P have been susceptible to advanced techniques designed to confuse or immobile their interceptor missiles and keep them from reaching their targets. One of the most common jamming devices is S- and C-band airborne noise. If used properly, this and other deception mechanisms lead to what is known as the “suppression of enemy air defenses” and allows attacking aircraft and missiles to proceed to their targets without challenge.(4)



The FT-2000 was designed to neutralize and counter these airborne jamming devices. It contains a passive radar target seeker programmed to detect the specific electromagnetic signals emanating from its target. Essentially, the FT-2000 uses its target’s own jamming frequencies against it. In addition, the FT-2000 has a passive homing system that does not transmit electromagnetic waves, thus minimizing the chances that its enemies will detect it in time.(5) The system is equipped with modified HQ-9 interceptor missiles, each of which is 6.8 meters long, 0.47 meters in diameter, and has a launch weight of 1,300 kilograms. The HQ-9 missiles give the FT-2000 a range of 12 to 100 kilometers and an operating altitude of 3 to 20 kilometers. :yahoo: The mobile system is transported and launched on an 8 X 8 cross-country launcher with four canisters that resemble those used by the S-300P.(6)



In addition to the mobile FT-2000, China has developed a fixed-based variant, the FT-2000A. According to a recent Chinese sales brochure, the FT-2000A uses a highly-modified HQ-2 missile that has been equipped with passive radio frequency homing seekers. Each HQ-2 is armed with a 60-kilogram fragmentation warhead and has a range of 60 kilometers and a maximum altitude of 18 kilometers. Reports indicate that each FT-2000A battery consists of 12 missile launchers, each containing one missile, and a central control station. The central control station has one master passive sensor and three auxiliary passive sensors. The four sensors are capable of triangulating on electromagnetic signals in the 2- and 6-GHz frequency range, which covers most AWACS aircraft and other air radiation wave targets, thus earning it the nickname “AWACS killer.”(7)



In addition to its role as an anti-radiation missile system, the FT-2000 also has advanced capability against tactical ballistic missiles, although this point is seldom mentioned. As Richard D. Fisher, Jr. has pointed out, Chinese officials at the 1998 Zhuhai Air Show—shortly after plans for the FT-2000 had been unveiled—stated that the FT-2000 was being developed into an active-guided missile that eventually would have the ability to shoot down short- and medium-range ballistic missiles.(8) Since the FT-2000 is based on comprehensive systems such as the U.S. Patriot and the S-300P, it is no surprise that it too has anti-missile capabilities.



In October 2003, it was reported that China had closed a deal with its neighbor, Pakistan, to supply the latter with an unspecified number of FT-2000 missiles to counter India’s early warning capabilities. The China-Pakistan deal followed India’s own arrangement with Israel and Russia to install three Israeli Phalcon AWACS on Ilyushin Il-76 freighter aircraft, thus giving it an airborne early warning system.(9) According to various news sources, shortly after India announced its acquisition of the Phalcon radars, Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, the head of Pakistan’s air force, visited China and conveyed Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s wish to purchase an unspecified number of FT-2000s.(10)



The recent China-Pakistan arrangement may just be an attempt to maintain the delicate balance of power between India and Pakistan, both of which possess nuclear weapons. Yet according to an article published in Malaysia in January 2003, the People’s Liberation Army is eager to export the FT-2000 around the globe.(11) It is entirely possible that “AWACS killer” air and missile defense systems like the FT-2000 will soon proliferate throughout Asia, Europe, and the Middle East, a development that would introduce a multitude of strategic problems for the U.S. and its allies

that would be a great induction indeed.

regards!
 
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Pakistan seems to be engaged in two parallel weaponization prograrms.
Western tech for defence on small scale
Chinese tech for offence on quantitive advantage

= No strings attached millitary operation.
 
Pakistan seems to be engaged in two parallel weaponization prograrms.
Western tech for defence on small scale
Chinese tech for offence on quantitive advantage

= No strings attached millitary operation.

and this is the perfect idea.
no front line equipment from west and just kkep the old ones upgraded. we must take westren eqquipmented for granted and keep pushing on road to self reliance and cooperation with China, Turkey and few other friendly dependable nations! :pakistan:

regards!
 
and this is the perfect idea.
no front line equipment from west and just kkep the old ones upgraded. we must take westren eqquipmented for granted and keep pushing on road to self reliance and cooperation with China, Turkey and few other friendly dependable nations! :pakistan:

regards!

Inshallah this is the best way to bring peace in this world dominated by the evil powerz...:sniper::pakistan::pdf::china:
 
i wish we can get the HQ-9/FT-2000 on top priority basis.

i simply cannot get why Gov the military is neglecting that attractive buy for so long. it is not the $$ issue as we are investing on many more projects tha are of much less importance then accquiring a long range high-altitude SAM.

now in reply to Indian interceptor missile, accquiring the HQ-9 / FT-2000 technology would be a perfect idea.

currectly no project is being run on indegenious long range high altitude SAM at AWC, KRL or NDC. so we cannot say that the cold response toward the cines option might be a result of indegenious project.

accquiring the FT-2000 would be, for me, a quantam leap in air defense sector of our armed forces.


The HongQi 9 (HQ-9) is a long-range, all-altitude, all-weather surface-to-air missile system developed by the China Academy of Defence Technology (also known as CASIC 2nd Academy), a subordinate of the China Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation (CASIC). The HongQi 9 was designed to engage multiple airborne targets such as fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters at all altitudes, with limited anti-ballistic missile capability. The HongQi 9 is currently serving with both the PLA Air Force (SAM corps) and also in the PLA Navy in the form of ship-based HaiHongQi 9 (HHQ-9).

Programme

The HongQi 9 development began in the early 1980s, initially based on the U.S. Patriot air defence missile system that China obtained via an unknown third-party country. Like the Patriot, the HongQi 9 uses a ‘Track-Via-Missile’ (TVM) terminal guidance system and was originally designed to be launched from a Patriot-style slant-positioned box-shape container launcher. The missile uses a two-stage solid rocket engine. Due to China’s substandard solid fuel rocket technology, the HongQi 9 was seriously oversize – the first-stage was 700mm in diameter and the second-stage was 560mm in diameter. As a result, each launch vehicle could only carry two missile tube launchers.

After China obtained the S-300PMU SAM system from Russia in the mid-1990s, certain S-300PMU technologies were used to improve the HongQi 9 design. The HongQi 9 is believed to have benefited from S-300's solid rocket, aerodynamic layout, gas-dynamic spoilers, and launcher technologies. This has resulted in a modified HongQi 9 which is ‘cold-launched’ vertically from a S-300-style tube launcher system. Four tube launchers are carried onboard a 8X8 TEL vehicle with cross-country capability.

The HongQi 9 was initially developed to replace the PLA’s bulk of obsolete HongQi 2 (Chinese copy of the Soviet/Russian SA-2 Guideline), but the slow progress in the development has led to the PLA’s decision to purchase additional S-300PMU missiles from Russia. By the time the HongQi 9 was ready for operational deployment in the late 1990s, the missile was already behind foreign air-defence missiles such as U.S. PAC3 and Russian S-300PMU2 in capability and performance. Only a small number of the HongQi 9 has been fielded by the PLA for operational trial and evaluations. The naval variant of the HongQi 9 has been installed onboard the Type 052C destroyer commissioned in 2004.

The HongQi 9 is reported to have a slant range of 200km up to an altitude of 30km. The missile has a proximity fuse with an effective range of 35m, which goes active when the missile is 5km away from its target. The missile is transported and launched on Taian TAS5380 8X8 transport-erector-launcher (TEL), which has four canisters that look almost identical to those used in the S-300PMU1.

Guidance & Fire Control

The HongQi 9’s guidance is very similar to that of the Patriot missile, consisting of inertial initial guidance + radio command midcourse correction + track-via-missile (TVM) terminal guidance. Midcourse correction commands are transmitted to the guidance system from the ground engagement control station. The target acquisition system in the missile acquires the target in the terminal phase of flight and transmits the data using the TVM downlink via the ground radar to the engagement control station for final course correction calculations. The course correction commands are transmitted back to the missile via the command uplink.

The HongQi 9 system reportedly uses a large HT-233 3D C-band mono-pulse planar phased array radar, which operates in the 300MHz bandwidth and has a detection range of 120km and tracking range of 90km. The radar can detect targets in azimuth (360 degrees) and elevation (0 to 65 degrees), and is capable of tracking some 100 airborne targets and simultaneously engaging more than 50 targets. The radar system is carried on a Taian TAS5380 8X8 heavy-duty cross-country vehicle.

The HongQi 9 may also be compatible with the Russian tracking radar, making it suitable to be deployed in combination with the S-300.

FT-2000 Anti-Radiation SAM

In 1998 CPMIEC revealed a unique anti-radiation surface-to-air missile system FT-2000, which was designed engage airborne warning and control system (AWACS) and other electronic warfare aircraft at long ranges. Based on the HongQi 9 design, the FT-2000 is fitted with a passive radar-homing seeker and is launched from a 8X8 transport-erector-launcher (TEL) vehicle carrying four missile tube launchers.

The FT-2000 is a scaled down version of the HongQi 9 fitted with a passive radar seeker that homes the missile using the electronic emission of enemy AWACS and electronic warfare (EW) aircraft. When the missile detects and locks on to the radar or jammer, it can home on the target autonomously at 1,200m/s while sustaining a 14G overload. The FT-2000 can also be used in co-operation with friendly aircraft when the onboard radar warning receiver detects hostile signal. In addition, the FT-2000 missile has a built-in inertial navigation system, so that whenever it has acquired a lock-on, it will continue towards the target even if the emitter is shut down, although the missile's accuracy would seriously degrade in this case.

For the detection and localisation of hostile radar emissions and jammers the FT-2000 makes use of four ground-based Electronic Support Measures (ESM) sensor posts, each of which is mounted on wheeled vehicles and can together track 50 targets simultaneously. The ESM sensor posts are deployed at a distance 30km from each other. The missile launchers are deployed near the central ESM sensor station at a distance of 150 metres. Additionally, the missile can also be used in conjunction with surveillance and target acquisition radars.

Despite being regarded as the first of its kind in the world, the real effectiveness of the FT-2000 in operation was somehow doubtful. The missile caught great attention when it was first revealed in 1998, but did not enter production due to lack of interest from either domestic or international market.
HongQi 9 (HQ-9) Surface-to-Air Missile System - SinoDefence.com

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ROME - European missile house MBDA has officially confirmed the sale of its Spada 2000 air defense system to the Pakistan Air Force.

Speaking here April 16, Chief Executive Antoine Bouvier said the deal for 10 batteries was worth 415 million euros ($656.56 million) over five years, adding that the contract was signed last August and put into force in February.

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The Spada 2000, produced by the Italian-controlled part of the firm, MBDA Italia, and used by Italy and Spain, includes a 60-kilometer-range radar and two firing sections, each containing two missile launchers with six Aspide 2000 missiles each. The missiles have an intercept range of more than 20 kilometers.

"This is a wonderful achievement," Bouvier said of the Pakistan deal. "It was a tough fight."

Industrial sources have told Defense News that the Spada system defeated competition from Raytheon, Diehl BGT and Saab.

MBDA Italia represents the 25 percent stake held in MBDA by Italy's Finmeccanica group.

A series of firing tests that formed part of the evaluation program with the Pakistan Air Force will be followed soon by further firing tests for qualification purposes, Bouvier said. He hopes the deal may be expanded in the future.

Although the deal officially fell under the responsibility of MBDA as a whole, Bouvier said "strong support" was provided by the Italian government and Finmeccanica. The Italian Air Force assisted with pre-contract firing tests in Pakistan, he added.

The export license for the deal was processed in Italy and helped push MBDA Italia to the top of Italy's chart of defense firms ranked by exports for 2007 - calculated on the basis of export licenses issued - with an 18.5 percent share of exports worth 443 million euros.

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here i found an intresting old article discussing the requirement of High-altitude air defence sstem in Mushraf Era.

Pakistani Land & Sea Based Air Defence
Pakistan to get high-tech air defence system

By Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: As per President Musharraf's directives Pakistan will acquire a high-tech air defence system next year, but it must come with transfer of technology, an official told The News.

"China and a European country have offered Pakistan High-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Low-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Medium-Altitude Air Defence System and Short-Range Air Defence System," said an official, who wanted not to be named. "The two countries have also offered to set up a project in Pakistan for manufacturing short- medium- and high-range air defence systems," he added.

The official said a former PAF chief had sent a summary to President Musharraf for the purchase of a high-altitude air defence system from a European country without transfer of technology, but the president rejected it.

"The summary has been rejected because Pakistan's adversary has MiG-25, MiG-29, SU-27 and SU-30 fighter planes which are capable of flying at an altitude of more than 25km," he added.

India has these aircraft since 2002 whereas the PAF has no effective weapon system to save major cities of the country and defence installations from any attack by such planes, the official said.

"Had the organisations engaged in developing nuclear-capable missiles indigenously been tasked with the development of a system to overcome this shortcoming, the country would have until now achieved the capability of hitting planes at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres," he remarked. "But no attention has been paid towards this aspect of the country's air defence capability."
The official said that Pakistan has radars that can detect aircraft flying at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres but the country still lacks a weapon system to hit such planes. He said the country needs to install at least one battery of an ultra-modern air defence system on four sides of major cities or military installations for security.

According to the official, one battery of such a defence system would comprise 16 vehicles, including two radar carriers, six missile launching vehicles and six support vehicles and thus each battery would cost $40-50 million.

A short-range air defence system can shoot down an enemy plane up to five kilometres and medium-range system is capable of hitting and attacking aircraft up to 25 kilometres while a high-range air defence system can hit an enemy plane at a distance of 90 kilometres, elaborated the official.

look at the highlighted part, i found it the most intresting.

regards!
 
Mig-25 is able to achieve an altitude of 20-25 km but 29 is too much for me to digest and for the rest i.e. Su, Migs, no chance ! they can achieve 18-20 at best. Yes we still do need high altitude sam system and fd-2000/ hq-9 is the most suitable solution for this purpose.
 

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