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Watched ( below ) the wonderful film Europa Report some days ago. It is about humankind's first journey to one of Jupiter's moons, Europa, the icy one with a supposed water ocean under the top ice. The film is realistic, calm and philosophical even in dramatic moments. It is almost a documentary. One of the two best space films I have watched - the other being the Dune book 1 TV series. Wait till the end. And watch it before YouTube removes the upload :


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Watched ( below ) the wonderful film Europa Report some days ago. It is about humankind's first journey to one of Jupiter's moons, Europa, the icy one with a supposed water ocean under the top ice. The film is realistic, calm and philosophical even in dramatic moments. It is almost a documentary. One of the two best space films I have watched - the other being the Dune book 1 TV series. Wait till the end. And watch it before YouTube removes the upload :


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Too late brother - "video blocked in your country due to claim by Magnolia".

I have watched "Dune" the movie though a few months ago during X-mas break (on HBO Max). Liked it. especially the CGI sequences with the worm.

Have been watching the Mandalorian series on Disney Plus channel, and they have a new episode on Bobba Fett out now.

Good stuff.

Yeah I have to watch Europa Report when I have some time next week...
 
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I have watched "Dune" the movie though a few months ago during X-mas break (on HBO Max). Liked it. especially the CGI sequences with the worm.

Here, Dune was in the cinema but I didn't go because I didn't like the trailer which showed too much of tacky special effects and also because the film showed Arrakis's ecologist, Liet Kynes, to be a female when the book clearly had the character to be male. I thought the film was being unnecessarily PC. And then its review in the newspaper said that the film concentrated more on the visuals and music than on having a story so that put me off. The review also said that the film covers part of the first book and I found later on the internet that the second part of the film will come out in 2023 so I will watch it hoping that the director has stopped being PC and put out a well-crafted storyline. Finally, after the film had gone from the cinema here I found this surprisingly good 2020 article on the internet from Al Jazeera which said that the film's trailer ( and perhaps the film itself - you must tell me ) made a reference to Paul and a "Crusade" and not "Jihad" as in the books because in Hollywood a jihad is what the bad people do, LOL. I quote from the article ( the rest you must read ) :
But fans familiar with the books noticed a major omission in its promotional materials: any reference to the Islam-inspired framing of the novel. In fact, the trailer uses the words, “a crusade is coming”, using the Christian term for holy war – something that occurs a mere three times in the six books of the original series. The word they were looking for was “jihad”, a foundational term and an essential concept in the series. But jihad is bad branding, and in Hollywood, Islam does not sell unless it is being shot at.
Having said that I must say that I dislike war.
 
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Here, Dune was in the cinema but I didn't go because I didn't like the trailer which showed too much of tacky special effects and also because the film showed Arrakis's ecologist, Liet Kynes, to be a female when the book clearly had the character to be male. I thought the film was being unnecessarily PC. And then its review in the newspaper said that the film concentrated more on the visuals and music than on having a story so that put me off. The review also said that the film covers part of the first book and I found later on the internet that the second part of the film will come out in 2023 so I will watch it hoping that the director has stopped being PC and put out a well-crafted storyline. Finally, after the film had gone from the cinema here I found this surprisingly good 2020 article on the internet from Al Jazeera which said that the film's trailer ( and perhaps the film itself - you must tell me ) made a reference to Paul and a "Crusade" and not "Jihad" as in the books because in Hollywood a jihad is what the bad people do, LOL. I quote from the article ( the rest you must read ) :

Having said that I must say that I dislike war.

The whole movie has Middle Eastern themes. People living in the desert, Middle Eastern norms of "eye for an eye" etc.
 
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A weird paper tests the limits of science by claiming Octopuses came from space


MIKE MCRAE
28 DECEMBER 2021

A summary of decades of research on a rather 'out-there' idea involving viruses from space raises questions on just how scientific we can be when it comes to speculating on the history of life on Earth.

It's easy to throw around words like crackpot, rogue, and maverick in describing the scientific fringe, but then papers like this one, from 2018, come along and leave us blinking owlishly, unsure of where to even begin.

A total of 33 names were listed as authors on this review, which was published by Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology back in August 2018. The journal is peer reviewed and fairly well cited. So it's not exactly small, or a niche pay-for-publish source.

Science writer Stephen Fleischfresser goes into depth on the background of two of the better known scientists involved: Edward Steele and Chandra Wickramasinghe. It's well worth a read.

For a tl;dr version, Steele is an immunologist who has a fringe reputation for his views on evolution that relies on acquiring gene changes determined by the influence of the environment rather than random mutations, in what he calls meta-Lamarckism.

Wickramasinghe, on the other hand, has had a somewhat less controversial career, recognized for empirically confirming Sir Fred Hoyle's hypothesis describing the production of complex carbon molecules on interstellar dust.

Wickramasinghe and Hoyle also happened to be responsible for another space biology thesis. Only this one is based on more than just the origins of organic chemistry.

The Hoyle Wickramasinghe (H-W) thesis of Cometary (Cosmic) Biology makes the rather simple claim that the direction of evolution has been significantly affected by biochemistry that didn't start on our planet.

In Wickramasinghe's own words, "Comets are the carriers and distributors of life in the cosmos, and life on Earth arose and developed as a result of cometary inputs."

Those inputs, Wickramasinghe argued, aren't limited to a generous sprinkling of space-baked amino acids, either.

Rather, they include viruses that insert themselves into organisms, pushing their evolution into whole new directions.

The report, titled "Cause of Cambrian Explosion – Terrestrial or Cosmic?", pulls on existing research to conclude that a rain of extra-terrestrial retroviruses played a key role in the diversification of life in our oceans roughly half a billion years ago.

"Thus retroviruses and other viruses hypothesized to be liberated in cometary debris trails both can potentially add new DNA sequences to terrestrial genomes and drive further mutagenic change within somatic and germline genomes," the authors wrote.

Let that sink in for a moment. And take a deep breath before continuing, because that was the tame part.

It was during this period that a group of mollusks known as cephalopods first stretched out their tentacles from beneath their shells, branching into a stunning array of sizes and shapes in what seemed like a remarkably short time frame.

The genetics of these organisms, which today include octopuses, squid, and cuttlefish, are as weird as the animals themselves, due in part to their ability to edit their DNA on the fly.

The authors of the paper make the rather audacious claim that these genetic oddities might be a sign of life from space.

Not of space viruses this time, but the arrival of whole genomes frozen in stasis before thawing out in our tepid waters.

"Thus the possibility that cryopreserved squid and/or octopus eggs, arrived in icy bolides several hundred million years ago should not be discounted," they wrote.

In his review of the paper, medical researcher Keith Baverstock from the University of Eastern Finland conceded that there's a lot of evidence that plausibly aligns with the H-W thesis, such as the curious timeline of the appearance of viruses.

But that's just not how science advances.

"I believe this paper justifies skepticism of the scientific value of stand alone theories of the origin of life," Baverstock argued at the time.

"The weight of plausible, but non-definitive, evidence, great though that might be, is not the point."

While the idea is as novel and exciting as it is provocative, nothing in the summary helps us better understand the history of life on Earth any better than existing conjectures, adding little of value to our model of evolution.

Still, with solid caveats in place, maybe science can cope with a generous dose of crazy every now and then.

Journal editor Denis Noble concedes that 'further research is needed', which is a bit of an understatement.

But given the developments regarding space-based organic chemistry in recent years, there's room for discussion.

"As space chemistry and biology grows in importance it is appropriate for a journal devoted to the interface between physics and biology to encourage the debates," said Noble.

"In the future, the ideas will surely become testable."

Just in case those tests confirm speculations, we recommend being well prepared for the return of our cephalopod overlords. Who knows when they'll want those eggs back?

This research was published in Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology.

A version of this article was first published in August 2018.

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Jamahir's comment : Octopuses from space. Incidentally I posted the wonderful film Europa Report in post# 181. Please watch it in full. Also, I have always wondered if cats were from space, they are just too perfect in form and personality, LOL.

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@jamahir water and metal/s came from space -----.

Yes, water does seem to have come from space maybe through comet entry and release in the atmosphere or on the ground but metal could have been present when the planet formed. The upcoming NASA robotic mission to the asteroid Psyche 16 ( my post about that here - please read because it also has a nice vid ) is to not only definitely investigate the science for mining the asteroid ( it has gold, platinum, others ) but also the science of the origin of the asteroid to see if it was the core of a planet that was destroyed and see if our own planet's core might have such metals.
 
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A weird paper tests the limits of science by claiming Octopuses came from space


MIKE MCRAE
28 DECEMBER 2021

A summary of decades of research on a rather 'out-there' idea involving viruses from space raises questions on just how scientific we can be when it comes to speculating on the history of life on Earth.

It's easy to throw around words like crackpot, rogue, and maverick in describing the scientific fringe, but then papers like this one, from 2018, come along and leave us blinking owlishly, unsure of where to even begin.

A total of 33 names were listed as authors on this review, which was published by Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology back in August 2018. The journal is peer reviewed and fairly well cited. So it's not exactly small, or a niche pay-for-publish source.

Science writer Stephen Fleischfresser goes into depth on the background of two of the better known scientists involved: Edward Steele and Chandra Wickramasinghe. It's well worth a read.

For a tl;dr version, Steele is an immunologist who has a fringe reputation for his views on evolution that relies on acquiring gene changes determined by the influence of the environment rather than random mutations, in what he calls meta-Lamarckism.

Wickramasinghe, on the other hand, has had a somewhat less controversial career, recognized for empirically confirming Sir Fred Hoyle's hypothesis describing the production of complex carbon molecules on interstellar dust.

Wickramasinghe and Hoyle also happened to be responsible for another space biology thesis. Only this one is based on more than just the origins of organic chemistry.

The Hoyle Wickramasinghe (H-W) thesis of Cometary (Cosmic) Biology makes the rather simple claim that the direction of evolution has been significantly affected by biochemistry that didn't start on our planet.

In Wickramasinghe's own words, "Comets are the carriers and distributors of life in the cosmos, and life on Earth arose and developed as a result of cometary inputs."

Those inputs, Wickramasinghe argued, aren't limited to a generous sprinkling of space-baked amino acids, either.

Rather, they include viruses that insert themselves into organisms, pushing their evolution into whole new directions.

The report, titled "Cause of Cambrian Explosion – Terrestrial or Cosmic?", pulls on existing research to conclude that a rain of extra-terrestrial retroviruses played a key role in the diversification of life in our oceans roughly half a billion years ago.

"Thus retroviruses and other viruses hypothesized to be liberated in cometary debris trails both can potentially add new DNA sequences to terrestrial genomes and drive further mutagenic change within somatic and germline genomes," the authors wrote.

Let that sink in for a moment. And take a deep breath before continuing, because that was the tame part.

It was during this period that a group of mollusks known as cephalopods first stretched out their tentacles from beneath their shells, branching into a stunning array of sizes and shapes in what seemed like a remarkably short time frame.

The genetics of these organisms, which today include octopuses, squid, and cuttlefish, are as weird as the animals themselves, due in part to their ability to edit their DNA on the fly.

The authors of the paper make the rather audacious claim that these genetic oddities might be a sign of life from space.

Not of space viruses this time, but the arrival of whole genomes frozen in stasis before thawing out in our tepid waters.

"Thus the possibility that cryopreserved squid and/or octopus eggs, arrived in icy bolides several hundred million years ago should not be discounted," they wrote.

In his review of the paper, medical researcher Keith Baverstock from the University of Eastern Finland conceded that there's a lot of evidence that plausibly aligns with the H-W thesis, such as the curious timeline of the appearance of viruses.

But that's just not how science advances.

"I believe this paper justifies skepticism of the scientific value of stand alone theories of the origin of life," Baverstock argued at the time.

"The weight of plausible, but non-definitive, evidence, great though that might be, is not the point."

While the idea is as novel and exciting as it is provocative, nothing in the summary helps us better understand the history of life on Earth any better than existing conjectures, adding little of value to our model of evolution.

Still, with solid caveats in place, maybe science can cope with a generous dose of crazy every now and then.

Journal editor Denis Noble concedes that 'further research is needed', which is a bit of an understatement.

But given the developments regarding space-based organic chemistry in recent years, there's room for discussion.

"As space chemistry and biology grows in importance it is appropriate for a journal devoted to the interface between physics and biology to encourage the debates," said Noble.

"In the future, the ideas will surely become testable."

Just in case those tests confirm speculations, we recommend being well prepared for the return of our cephalopod overlords. Who knows when they'll want those eggs back?

This research was published in Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology.

A version of this article was first published in August 2018.

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Jamahir's comment : Octopuses from space. Incidentally I posted the wonderful film Europa Report in post# 181. Please watch it in full. Also, I have always wondered if cats were from space, they are just too perfect in form and personality, LOL.

@Mentee @fitpOsitive @Bilal9 @Hamartia Antidote @truthfollower @Indos @ps3linux @graphican

Not very far-fetched at all considering they have microbes at the ISS being tested in the vacuum of space and are surviving.

Having something survive the re-entry by being buried in a snowball or behind some rock is reasonable.
 
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A weird paper tests the limits of science by claiming Octopuses came from space


MIKE MCRAE
28 DECEMBER 2021

A summary of decades of research on a rather 'out-there' idea involving viruses from space raises questions on just how scientific we can be when it comes to speculating on the history of life on Earth.

It's easy to throw around words like crackpot, rogue, and maverick in describing the scientific fringe, but then papers like this one, from 2018, come along and leave us blinking owlishly, unsure of where to even begin.

A total of 33 names were listed as authors on this review, which was published by Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology back in August 2018. The journal is peer reviewed and fairly well cited. So it's not exactly small, or a niche pay-for-publish source.

Science writer Stephen Fleischfresser goes into depth on the background of two of the better known scientists involved: Edward Steele and Chandra Wickramasinghe. It's well worth a read.

For a tl;dr version, Steele is an immunologist who has a fringe reputation for his views on evolution that relies on acquiring gene changes determined by the influence of the environment rather than random mutations, in what he calls meta-Lamarckism.

Wickramasinghe, on the other hand, has had a somewhat less controversial career, recognized for empirically confirming Sir Fred Hoyle's hypothesis describing the production of complex carbon molecules on interstellar dust.

Wickramasinghe and Hoyle also happened to be responsible for another space biology thesis. Only this one is based on more than just the origins of organic chemistry.

The Hoyle Wickramasinghe (H-W) thesis of Cometary (Cosmic) Biology makes the rather simple claim that the direction of evolution has been significantly affected by biochemistry that didn't start on our planet.

In Wickramasinghe's own words, "Comets are the carriers and distributors of life in the cosmos, and life on Earth arose and developed as a result of cometary inputs."

Those inputs, Wickramasinghe argued, aren't limited to a generous sprinkling of space-baked amino acids, either.

Rather, they include viruses that insert themselves into organisms, pushing their evolution into whole new directions.

The report, titled "Cause of Cambrian Explosion – Terrestrial or Cosmic?", pulls on existing research to conclude that a rain of extra-terrestrial retroviruses played a key role in the diversification of life in our oceans roughly half a billion years ago.

"Thus retroviruses and other viruses hypothesized to be liberated in cometary debris trails both can potentially add new DNA sequences to terrestrial genomes and drive further mutagenic change within somatic and germline genomes," the authors wrote.

Let that sink in for a moment. And take a deep breath before continuing, because that was the tame part.

It was during this period that a group of mollusks known as cephalopods first stretched out their tentacles from beneath their shells, branching into a stunning array of sizes and shapes in what seemed like a remarkably short time frame.

The genetics of these organisms, which today include octopuses, squid, and cuttlefish, are as weird as the animals themselves, due in part to their ability to edit their DNA on the fly.

The authors of the paper make the rather audacious claim that these genetic oddities might be a sign of life from space.

Not of space viruses this time, but the arrival of whole genomes frozen in stasis before thawing out in our tepid waters.

"Thus the possibility that cryopreserved squid and/or octopus eggs, arrived in icy bolides several hundred million years ago should not be discounted," they wrote.

In his review of the paper, medical researcher Keith Baverstock from the University of Eastern Finland conceded that there's a lot of evidence that plausibly aligns with the H-W thesis, such as the curious timeline of the appearance of viruses.

But that's just not how science advances.

"I believe this paper justifies skepticism of the scientific value of stand alone theories of the origin of life," Baverstock argued at the time.

"The weight of plausible, but non-definitive, evidence, great though that might be, is not the point."

While the idea is as novel and exciting as it is provocative, nothing in the summary helps us better understand the history of life on Earth any better than existing conjectures, adding little of value to our model of evolution.

Still, with solid caveats in place, maybe science can cope with a generous dose of crazy every now and then.

Journal editor Denis Noble concedes that 'further research is needed', which is a bit of an understatement.

But given the developments regarding space-based organic chemistry in recent years, there's room for discussion.

"As space chemistry and biology grows in importance it is appropriate for a journal devoted to the interface between physics and biology to encourage the debates," said Noble.

"In the future, the ideas will surely become testable."

Just in case those tests confirm speculations, we recommend being well prepared for the return of our cephalopod overlords. Who knows when they'll want those eggs back?

This research was published in Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology.

A version of this article was first published in August 2018.

---

Jamahir's comment : Octopuses from space. Incidentally I posted the wonderful film Europa Report in post# 181. Please watch it in full. Also, I have always wondered if cats were from space, they are just too perfect in form and personality, LOL.

@Mentee @fitpOsitive @Bilal9 @Hamartia Antidote @truthfollower @Indos @ps3linux @graphican
Pure BS. All of Earth life has a single origin tracing back to abiogenesis until something much more compelling is presented as evidence, it is just media doing baseless and stupid sensationalism. Sigh.
Yes, water does seem to have come from space maybe through comet entry and release in the atmosphere or on the ground but metal could have been present when the planet formed. The upcoming NASA robotic mission to the asteroid Psyche 16 ( my post about that here - please read because it also has a nice vid ) is to not only definitely investigate the science for mining the asteroid ( it has gold, platinum, others ) but also the science of the origin of the asteroid to see if it was the core of a planet that was destroyed and see if our own planet's core might have such metals.
Everything came from stars, man. There's is something like Stellar nucleosynthesis, otherwise everything would be just pure Hydrogen. That is science 101.
 
Trailer of a new postulation documentary The Sights of Space by Melody Sheep, the creator of that wonderful, marvelous, mesmerizing YouTube postulation documentary The Museum of Alien Life :
I wait for the full one to be uploaded soon. Nature is enchanting and vast but dangerous yet invites for discovery. I have contempt for those who have a narrow, uneducated and unyielding view that they and their beliefs are supreme to Nature. No, Nature is supreme. Most humans indulge themselves in ridiculous employments, so-called studies, irrational traditions, cricket match watchings etc when they should devote themselves to travel and discovery through Nature. What can be more important than that ?

@Bilal9 @Goenitz @fitpOsitive @Mentee @Hamartia Antidote @KedarT @vishwambhar @Indos @Naofumi @Great Janjua @Valiant @PDF @Atlas @DrJekyll, others
 
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Trailer of a new postulation documentary Sights of Space by Melody Sheep, the creator of that wonderful, marvelous, mesmerizing YouTube postulation documentary The Museum of Alien Life :
I wait for the full one to be uploaded soon. Nature is enchanting and vast but dangerous yet invites for discovery. I have contempt for those who have a narrow, uneducated and unyielding view that they and their beliefs are supreme to Nature. No, Nature is supreme. Most humans indulge themselves in ridiculous employments, so-called studies, irrational traditions, cricket match watchings etc when they should devote themselves to travel and discovery through Nature. What can be more important than that ?

@Bilal9 @Goenitz @fitpOsitive @Mentee @Hamartia Antidote @KedarT @vishwambhar @Indos @Naofumi @Great Janjua @Valiant @PDF @Atlas @DrJekyll, others
wait for Webb
 
Trailer of a new postulation documentary The Sights of Space by Melody Sheep, the creator of that wonderful, marvelous, mesmerizing YouTube postulation documentary The Museum of Alien Life :
I wait for the full one to be uploaded soon. Nature is enchanting and vast but dangerous yet invites for discovery. I have contempt for those who have a narrow, uneducated and unyielding view that they and their beliefs are supreme to Nature. No, Nature is supreme. Most humans indulge themselves in ridiculous employments, so-called studies, irrational traditions, cricket match watchings etc when they should devote themselves to travel and discovery through Nature. What can be more important than that ?

@Bilal9 @Goenitz @fitpOsitive @Mentee @Hamartia Antidote @KedarT @vishwambhar @Indos @Naofumi @Great Janjua @Valiant @PDF @Atlas @DrJekyll, others
Lol @jamahir , why you have enmity with cricket match man? :undecided:
 
Trailer of a new postulation documentary The Sights of Space by Melody Sheep, the creator of that wonderful, marvelous, mesmerizing YouTube postulation documentary The Museum of Alien Life :
I wait for the full one to be uploaded soon. Nature is enchanting and vast but dangerous yet invites for discovery. I have contempt for those who have a narrow, uneducated and unyielding view that they and their beliefs are supreme to Nature. No, Nature is supreme. Most humans indulge themselves in ridiculous employments, so-called studies, irrational traditions, cricket match watchings etc when they should devote themselves to travel and discovery through Nature. What can be more important than that ?

@Bilal9 @Goenitz @fitpOsitive @Mentee @Hamartia Antidote @KedarT @vishwambhar @Indos @Naofumi @Great Janjua @Valiant @PDF @Atlas @DrJekyll, others
All i could understood was hey hey hey e e hey hey hey....
 

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