South China Sea Forum

[Makarena]

China should send it back using fedex to trump's address, with a christmas card inside saying now you better behave, boy

 

[BuddhaPalm]

@sweetgrape

South Korean and Japanese are not and will probably never be PROVEN to become the ( Pro CHINA nations ).
South Korea and Japan and those Barbaric western Anti-China nations -- will only understand PRC Hard Power.

But, ( RUSSIA, PAKISTAN, IRAN, CAMBODIA, THAILAND, SERBIA, BELARUS, CUBA,
all Central Asia nations, IRAQ, and SYRIA ) are ALREADY PROVEN over the last 25 years to be the ( Pro CHINA nations ).

Too many influential Chinese are dismissing and overlooking these PROVEN to be the ( Pro CHINA nations ) just because they are a bit weak economically. -- IMHO, ... ... this is totally unwise and very short sighted.
PRC shall assist these ( Pro CHINA nations ) to acquire Long Term Prosperity as much as possible and
as soon as possible.

===

STOP and Freeze all investment flows towards the western Anti-China nations immediately.

Too many influential Chinese are acting and behaving like the Hated FERENGI in Star Trek.
PROFIT justify everything.
Vuck ETHICS and vuck everything in the name of PROFIT.


I will stop here in order not to derail this thread.
Back to the ( USN Trespassing PRC 12 nm drones ) topic.

Soft power comes from picking an enemy and destroying that enemy completely. Everybody else is glad that you spared them the same fate. For example, USA did genocide on Native Americans. All we have to do is drop megatons of nukes on Japan and everybody else will recognize China's soft power.

1*) This USN underwater drone is the latest generation and usa most advanced underwater drone.

2*) The USN underwater drones were launched from USN virginia sub torpedo tubes from a spot approx. 200 km away from PRC SCS island

3*) After lurking and trespassing inside 12 nm PRC SCS islands for many days -- these drones sailed back towards the usn surface ( pretend to be civilian ) ship, so they can be retrieved.

Super Dumb Dumb and Super Dimwit USN think they can fool Chinese PLAN.


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No wonder the Americans are crying like a child after a stern spanking from daddy. We took away their newest toy after they behaved naughtily. Next time we should drop a torpedo on the Virginia.

I don't. UNCLOS does. And where there is disagreement, UNCLOS specifies the path to be taken towards resolving disagreement. Stealing equipment isn't one of those paths.

On 12 July 2016, an arbitral tribunal in the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague ruled that China has no legal basis to claim "historic rights" within its nine-dash line in a case brought by the Philippines. The tribunal judged that there was no evidence that China had historically exercised exclusive control over the waters or resources within the Nine-Dash Line. The ruling was rejected by the Chinese government

China has not (as of 2016) filed a formal and specifically defined claim to the area within the dashes.

LOL just a pile of lies. China already made an exception for South China Sea when signing UNCLOS so UNCLOS confirms China's ownership over the nine-sectioned line completely.

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

China to return seized US drone, says Washington ‘hyping up’ incident

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China will return an underwater US drone seized by a naval vessel this week in the South China Sea, both countries said on Saturday, but Beijing complained that Washington had been “hyping up” the incident.

US President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to take an aggressive approach in dealing with China over its economic and military policies, jumped on the unusual drone seizure with a pair of provocative tweets, accusing Beijing of stealing the equipment.

The drone, known as an unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV), was taken on Thursday, the first seizure of its kind in recent memory. The Pentagon went public with its complaint after the action and said on Saturday it had secured a deal to get the drone back.

“Through direct engagement with Chinese authorities, we have secured an understanding that the Chinese will return the UUV to the United States,” Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said in a statement.

The drone, which the Pentagon said was operating lawfully was collecting data about the salinity, temperature and clarity of the water about 50 nautical miles north-west of Subic Bay, off the Philippines.

It was seized just as the USNS Bowditch was about to retrieve it, US officials said.

China’s Defense Ministry said a Chinese naval vessel discovered a piece of “unidentified equipment” and checked it to prevent any navigational safety issues before discovering it was a US drone.

“China decided to return it to the US side in an appropriate manner, and China and the US have all along been in communication about it,” the ministry said on its website.

“During this process, the US side’s unilateral and open hyping up is inappropriate and is not beneficial to the smooth resolution of this issue. We express regret at this,” it added.

‘KEEP IT!’

Trump, a Republican who takes office on Jan. 20, waded into the dispute on Twitter early on Saturday from his seaside resort club Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, where he plans to spend the holidays.

“China steals United States Navy research drone in international waters – rips it out of the water and takes it to China in an unprecedented act,” he said.

After China said it would return the drone, Jason Miller, a spokesman for Trump, tweeted a link to a news story, saying: “@realdonaldtrump gets it done.”

There was, however, no evidence that Trump had played any role. US officials said the negotiations took place in Beijing during the overnight hours in the United States. Miller did not respond to requests for comment.

Hours later, while riding in a motorcade back to his resort, Trump tweeted his second jab. “We should tell China that we don’t want the drone they stole back – let them keep it!” he said.

Trump has previously threatened to declare China a currency manipulator and force changes in US-Chinese trade policy, which he says has led to the greatest theft of American jobs in history.

Trump has also raised questions about the most sensitive part of the US-China relationship: whether Washington would stick to its nearly four-decades-old policy of recognising that Taiwan is part of “one China.”

After his Nov. 8 election victory, Trump accepted a congratulatory phone call from President Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan, prompting China to lodge a diplomatic protest.

President Barack Obama said on Friday it was fine for Trump to review Washington’s policy toward Taiwan, but he cautioned that a shift could lead to significant consequences in the US relationship with Beijing.

“There’s probably no bilateral relationship that carries more significance and where there’s also the potential, if that relationship breaks down or goes into a full-conflict mode, that everybody is worse off,” Obama told reporters.

HEIGHTENED TENSIONS

The drone incident has raised fresh concerns about China’s increased military presence and aggressive posture in the energy-rich South China Sea, through which about $5 trillion in trade is shipped every year. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claimed to the waterway.

New satellite imagery shows China has installed weapons, including anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems, on all seven artificial islands it has built in the South China Sea, a US research group said this week.

Without directly saying whether the US drone was operating in waters Beijing considers its own, China’s Defense Ministry said US ships and aircraft have for a long period been carrying out surveillance and surveys in “the presence” of Chinese waters.

“China is resolutely opposed to this, and demands the US stops this kind of activity,” it said.

China will remain on alert for these sorts of activities and take necessary steps to deal with them, the ministry said without elaborating.

The Global Times, published by the ruling Communist Party’s official People’s Daily, earlier cited an unidentified Chinese source as saying they believed the issue would be resolved smoothly.



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[Akasa]

The Chinese theft of the UUV is a political message, an indication of the CCP's unease and perhaps anger with the incoming Trump administration. The best course of action is to not let the Chinese get the satisfaction of having the US by the balls; an UUV is essentially nothing for US institutions to design and rebuild.

 

[lcloo]

WASHINGTON: US President-elect Donald Trump got plenty of attention — but not the kind he was looking for — after a tweet Saturday calling out China for its seizure of an unmanned US naval probe.

"China steals United States Navy research drone in international waters — rips it out of water and takes it to China in unpresidented (sic) act," the real estate magnate wrote on his favorite platform.

"Unpresidented" quickly became a top trending topic on Twitter in the United States, as online wags savaged the incoming president for the unfortunate misspelling.

"TrumpSpellCheck — Unpresidentedly effective," tweeted "Harry Potter" author JK Rowling.

"Dear world, most Americans really wish we could be #unpresidented," another user wrote.

Even dictionary Merriam-Webster weighed in.

"The #WordOfTheDay is… not ‘unpresidented’. We don’t enter that word. That’s a new one," it tweeted.

Trump deleted his tweet after about an hour, replacing it with one correctly using the word "unprecedented."

 

[rcrmj]

Please....the reality is China stole an oceanographic drone gathering scientific data in international waters. That makes you thieves. No wonder your neighbors have no trust in you.

The US will continue to conduct hundreds of missions per year in the SCS. This won't deter us.

no wonder you americans are so ignorant ``` as you lot will take whatever nonsensical propaganda that your controlled media tells you gullible bunch

The good thing is that it clears the way for the next US president to violate Chinese sovereignty at will. When the Chinese complain, we will remind them they it is they, who have instructed us, that they no longer have any interest in adhering to such legal constraints. It's better for everyone to sweep away the hypocrisy.

lets see whether it will come true or not````I recken Trump is a very very very bold man!

And yet, this time, China is the aggressor.

you sent a spying kit thousands miles away from home, doing dodgy 'researches' in SCS, and now it appears China is the 'aggressor' ? lol, `````

 

[maximuswarrior]

Nice one China. Let them know you are in charge.

 

[maximuswarrior]

LOL at Trump. That is it my man. Change your narrative in a matter of hours. I like this guy a lot. He is going to serve as a wonderful president of the USA. All negotiations and feedback will be given through Twitter. Even a war will be declared through Twitter LMAO

The president-elect hasn't even entered the White House yet and every hour there is a new controversy. Not only at home, but with other nations.

"Unpresidented" LMAO This isn't some ordinary typo. This guy didn't know the spelling of unprecedented.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

Americans jumping up and down in frustration after getting spanked in the most humiliating fashion after they boasted about their shupa powa!

 

[terranMarine]

I bet Trump wants to reconcile with Beijing for his "two" China policy blunder by telling to the world we can keep the advance drone as a gift , Thanks Donald we make sure to reverse engineer it and put it into good use.

 

[gambit]

Fifty seven miles off the Philippines isn't chinese waters.

Basically, the PDF Chinese are saying the Philippines belongs to China just because Duterte tossed China an air kiss.

China is done with duplicated the drone already, so giving back to Mr. Trumpet can give him a good night sleep now.

This underwater drone is COTS and cost about $150,000 to build.

COTS = Components Off The Shelf.

I bet that some time recently, someone sane in the PLA leadership finally blew his head gasket: " We embarrassed China over something that could have been built by university students in their off days. "

You took the drone but left the ship and the ship is the real treasure. The ship is where all the data resides, compiled and analyzed, readied to be studied. All the drone does is sonar ping the bottom and store it for transfer later.

This is going to go down as a major phukk up by the PLA.

Again the sea drone got confiscated through LEGAL justification.

Basically, what China did was piracy and piracy made legal under Chinese laws, correct ?

 

[TaiShang]

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After cozying up with Putin, now winking at Beijing?

Putin must have really gotten under Trump's skin.

When he becomes the president, it is really gonna be so much fun. I think there will a whole new brand of satire exclusively for Trump.

 

[cochine]

Chinese navy marks 70th anniversary of recovering Xisha, Nansha Islands
(Xinhua) December 08, 2016

BEIJING, Dec. 8 (Xinhua) -- The People's Liberation Army(PLA) Navy on Thursday commemorated the 70th anniversary of the recovery of the Xisha and Nansha Islands.

In compliance of the Cairo Declaration and Potsdam Proclamation, China in November and December 1946 designated officials to proceed to the Xisha and Nansha Islands by four warships to take over the islands, illegally occupied by Japan.

Ceremonies were held to demonstrate that China resumed the exercise of sovereignty over the islands.

"Recovering these islands was an important achievement of China's war against aggression, demonstrating that China was firmly safeguarding the post-war international order and affirming the nation as defending its rights and interests in the South China Sea," said PLA Navy Commander Wu Shengli at the commemoration.

Wu said construction on the islands and reefs are "lawful, justified, and reasonable" being in Chinese territory.

China is committed to resolving the disputes in a peaceful manner through negotiations and consultations, controlling differences through regulations and achieving a win-win solution through mutually beneficial cooperation, Wu said.

He stressed that history should be respected, and stability maintained by strengthening mutual trust and deepening cooperation, so that peace and development in countries in the South China Sea is assured.

Last update 09:40 | 13/12/2016



Vietnam opposes China’s celebration of so-called island recovery

Vietnam adamantly opposes the Chinese Navy’s commemoration of the so-called 70 years of the recovery of two archipelagoes in the East Sea, Foreign Ministry Spokesman Le Hai Binh said on December 12.

Foreign Ministry Spokesman Le Hai Binh



He made the statement while answering reporters’ question about Vietnam’s response to the Chinese Navy’s marking of the so-called 70 years of recovering Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands on December 8.

“Vietnam has sufficient historical evidence and legal foundation to affirm its sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa archipelagoes – Vietnam’s long-standing territories. After the World War II, the international community rejected China’s claim on these islands.

“China’s above-mentioned activity is unable to alter Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa, runs counter to the current development trend of the two countries’ relations, and complicates the situation. Vietnam resolutely opposes that activity,” Binh emphasised.

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[gambit]

The Chinese theft of the UUV is a political message, an indication of the CCP's unease and perhaps anger with the incoming Trump administration. The best course of action is to not let the Chinese get the satisfaction of having the US by the balls; an UUV is essentially nothing for US institutions to design and rebuild.

According to the civilians who operate the Bowditch, the drone is COTS and cost about $150,000. Something China could definitely do.

So here are the options...

- Either China really cannot build something like this and must resort to piracy to get functional technology.

- Or China is trying to make some kind of a statement by bullying civilians.

Whatever statement that China tried to make, it WILL backfire once the Trumpster is in office. When and how is up to US, but China can count on an increase of US Navy ships, the kind that can shoot back, in the SCS.

 

[samsara]

As a president-elect of a major power, Donald Trump simply talks too much, and his opinion is fluid, changes like weather if he's a leader from a small nation that may be okay and ignorable. But not from country as big as the USA. Just a weird leader.