Siachen War: Requirement for A New Breed of Soldier (The ROBOT)

[Signalian]

Siachen Glacier is a deadly warfare zone where soldiers not only lose their life in non-combat situations but lose their limbs too just to stay at their icy posts. In 2012, a massive avalanche in lower Siachen killed 130 Pakistani soldiers at one go, till now hundreds of Pakistani Soldiers have lost their lives since 1984.

Non Combat deaths and causalities are mostly due to :

1.Extreme Temperatures:
Winter temperatures drop to minus 70 degrees Celsius with blizzards gusting at speeds of 160 kilometres per hour.

2. Avalanches

Avalanche is a mass of snow, ice, and rocks falling rapidly down a mountainside. Snowstorms and rainstorms are important contributors to avalanche danger. Heavy snowfall will cause instability in the existing snowpack, both because of the additional weight and because the new snow has insufficient time to bond to underlying snow layers.

3. Frost Bite:
Frost Bite is an injury that is caused by exposure of parts of the body to the cold. The cold causes freezing on skin and underlying tissues. Fingers, toes and feet are most commonly affected.

A lot of Pakistan Frost bitten soldiers are disabled for life. Many disabled soldiers get clerical jobs in GHQ or in Askari related Organisations.

4. Crevasse

A crevasse is a deep crack, or fracture, found in an ice sheet or glacier. Crevasses form as a result of the movement and resulting stress associated with the shear stress generated when two semi-rigid pieces above a plastic substrate have different rates of movement.

In order ro combat this problem, Soldiers move with a long common rope tied to their gear so anyone who falls can be rescued instantly.

FiberGlass Igloo (the soldier's living quarters):

The living quarters of soldiers on Siachen. Such are the conditions in which soldiers spend their daily lives in Siachen Sector.

Its obvious that under such hazardous conditions, soldiers can get affected physically and psychologically. so a new type of soldier is Proposed.

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[Signalian]

The Proposed Soldier​

In order to save precious lives of soldiers who just give surveillance/sentry duty at Siachen, the proposed soldier is a Robot, SENTRY GUN.

Autonomous robotics would save and preserve soldiers' lives by removing serving soldiers, who might otherwise be killed, from the battlefield. Increasing attention is also paid to how to make the robots more autonomous, with a view of eventually allowing them to operate on their own for extended periods of time, possibly behind enemy lines.
The majority of military robots are tele-operated and not equipped with weapons; they are used for reconnaissance, surveillance, sniper detection, neutralizing explosive devices, etc. Current robots that are equipped with weapons are tele-operated so they are not capable of taking lives autonomously. Advantages regarding the lack of emotion and passion in robotic combat is also taken into consideration as a beneficial factor in significantly reducing instances of unethical behavior in wartime.
Autonomous machines are created not to be a "truly 'ethical' robots", yet ones that comply with the laws of war (LOW) and rules of engagement (ROE). Hence the fatigue, stress, emotion, adrenaline, etc. that affects a human soldiers rash decisions are removed; there will be no effect on the battlefield caused by the decisions made by the individual.

1. SUPER AEGIS II

The SUPER AEGIS II is an automated gun tower that can find and lock on to a human-sized target in pitch darkness at a distance of up to 1.36 miles (2.2 kilometers). It uses a 35x zoom CCD camera with 'enhancement feature' for bad weather, in conjunction with a dual FOV, autofocus Infra-Red sensor, to pick out targets.

Then it brings the pain, either with a standard 12.7mm caliber machine-gun, a 40mm automatic grenade launcher upgrade, or whatever other weapons system you want to bolt on to it, including surface-to-air missiles. A laser range finder helps to calibrate aim, and a gyroscopic stabilizer unit helps correct both the video system's aim and the direction of the guns after recoil pushes them off-target.

2. Samsung SGR-A1

All weather, 5.56 mm robotic machine gun and optional grenade launcher which is capable of tracking multiple moving targets using IR and visible light cameras, and is under the control of a human operator. The Intelligent Surveillance and Guard Robot can "identify and shoot a target automatically from over two miles (3.2 km) away." The robot, which was developed by a South Korean university, uses "twin optical and infrared sensors to identify targets from 2.5 miles (4 km) in daylight and around half that distance at night."

It is also equipped with communication equipment (a microphone and speakers), "so that passwords can be exchanged with human troops." If the person gives the wrong password, the robot can "sound an alarm or fire at the target using rubber bullets or a swivel-mounted MG-3." It was reported in 2006 that South Korea's soldiers in Iraq are "currently using robot sentries to guard home bases."



COMMAND and CONTROL (Remotely operated by Human Operator)

These SENTRY gun systems can be remotely controlled through a command and control center.

Major Requirements:

1. Ability to operate efficiently in extreme weather conditions of cold, snow etc

2. A Battery system with back up enough to operate for 2 months

3. Ammunition loaded for 2 weeks of combat.

4. Minimal maintenance in field.

5. Anti freezing materials to be used in all moving parts, including muzzel and barrel

6. Self destruct mechanism if position is run over.



In order to be reinforced during an assault, the use of an armed drone copter is recommended, capable of operating in Siachen weather conditions

Pakistan can save precious lives of its soldiers in Siachen sector by looking at such options. The sentry gun and drone copter are not known to be operating at such extreme war zone like Siachen. However, Robotics is the future of warfare with use of UAV,UCAV,Drone Copter etc and Pakistan should invest in R&D for Robotics.

 

[Christopher]

It good but it will take time,
plus the chances of being hacked are much too much plus for their regular maintainance again they become great targets and still the son's of the soild will lay down their lives

 

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The Proposed Soldier​

In order to save precious lives of soldiers who just give surveillance/sentry duty at Siachen, the proposed soldier is a Robot, SENTRY GUN.

Autonomous robotics would save and preserve soldiers' lives by removing serving soldiers, who might otherwise be killed, from the battlefield. Increasing attention is also paid to how to make the robots more autonomous, with a view of eventually allowing them to operate on their own for extended periods of time, possibly behind enemy lines.
The majority of military robots are tele-operated and not equipped with weapons; they are used for reconnaissance, surveillance, sniper detection, neutralizing explosive devices, etc. Current robots that are equipped with weapons are tele-operated so they are not capable of taking lives autonomously. Advantages regarding the lack of emotion and passion in robotic combat is also taken into consideration as a beneficial factor in significantly reducing instances of unethical behavior in wartime.
Autonomous machines are created not to be a "truly 'ethical' robots", yet ones that comply with the laws of war (LOW) and rules of engagement (ROE). Hence the fatigue, stress, emotion, adrenaline, etc. that affects a human soldiers rash decisions are removed; there will be no effect on the battlefield caused by the decisions made by the individual.

1. SUPER AEGIS II

View attachment 316324

The SUPER AEGIS II is an automated gun tower that can find and lock on to a human-sized target in pitch darkness at a distance of up to 1.36 miles (2.2 kilometers). It uses a 35x zoom CCD camera with 'enhancement feature' for bad weather, in conjunction with a dual FOV, autofocus Infra-Red sensor, to pick out targets.

Then it brings the pain, either with a standard 12.7mm caliber machine-gun, a 40mm automatic grenade launcher upgrade, or whatever other weapons system you want to bolt on to it, including surface-to-air missiles. A laser range finder helps to calibrate aim, and a gyroscopic stabilizer unit helps correct both the video system's aim and the direction of the guns after recoil pushes them off-target.

2. Samsung SGR-A1

View attachment 316325

All weather, 5.56 mm robotic machine gun and optional grenade launcher which is capable of tracking multiple moving targets using IR and visible light cameras, and is under the control of a human operator. The Intelligent Surveillance and Guard Robot can "identify and shoot a target automatically from over two miles (3.2 km) away." The robot, which was developed by a South Korean university, uses "twin optical and infrared sensors to identify targets from 2.5 miles (4 km) in daylight and around half that distance at night."

It is also equipped with communication equipment (a microphone and speakers), "so that passwords can be exchanged with human troops." If the person gives the wrong password, the robot can "sound an alarm or fire at the target using rubber bullets or a swivel-mounted MG-3." It was reported in 2006 that South Korea's soldiers in Iraq are "currently using robot sentries to guard home bases."



COMMAND and CONTROL (Remotely operated by Human Operator)

These SENTRY gun systems can be remotely controlled through a command and control center.

View attachment 316326


Major Requirements:

1. Ability to operate efficiently in extreme weather conditions of cold, snow etc

2. A Battery system with back up enough to operate for 2 months

3. Ammunition loaded for 2 weeks of combat.

4. Minimal maintenance in field.

5. Anti freezing materials to be used in all moving parts, including muzzel and barrel

6. Self destruct mechanism if position is run over.



In order to be reinforced during an assault, the use of an armed drone copter is recommended, capable of operating in Siachen weather conditions


View attachment 316327



Pakistan can save precious lives of its soldiers in Siachen sector by looking at such options. The sentry gun and drone copter are not known to be operating at such extreme war zone like Siachen. However, Robotics is the future of warfare with use of UAV,UCAV,Drone Copter etc and Pakistan should invest in R&D for Robotics.

Dear sir this is a fantastic suggestion one that could be probably Implemented quite effectively... the problem is our economy can we even make a Budget out of the economy and can we from current spending ..if we will... do we have the thrust of robotic Scientific development and artificial Intelligence(Tracking targets,Preventing hacking) in our country enough to make us accomplish this.Don't get me wrong I'm just pointing out the obvious hurdles to make this a reality and effective system ,The talent in our country is there and there are probably Individuals looming around in their day to day lives with talent in the industry of robotics ,My elder brother was a robotics fan who developed a simple Sort of aeroplane in the 1980s by doing something and attaching it in the Ceiling fan and it used to go around like 360 degrees he was 14 years old.
Salutes to you for this Idea sir,I hope that our Generation will make steps in this direction.Current Generation of power to do this like the COAS and political leaders are Just too old minded.

It good but it will take time,
plus the chances of being hacked are much too much plus for their regular maintainance again they become great targets and still the son's of the soild will lay down their lives

Mamu Its soil not solid

 

[LOGICAL BOSSS]

What is your thought of operating Battery Robots in -70 C where even guns got jammed how abt this extremely complex and delicate machine. Only one part Jam and this m/c will be of no use, Good V good idea

 

[Jamwal's]

There is zero presence of Pak Army in Siachen Glacier to begin with.

All of Pak Army posts are around and beyond Saltoro Ridge, which is in control of India, along with the major passes Bilafond LA and Sia LA which is held by India.

 

[Signalian]

What is your thought of operating Battery Robots in -70 C where even guns got jammed how abt this extremely complex and delicate machine. Only one part Jam and this m/c will be of no use, Good V good idea

On top of my head, nuclear or or uranium. If thats considered an expensive tech, then pakistan is already spending millions of rs per day on Pakistani soldiers in Siachen, so this cost should not make the country bankrupt however a soldier's life, a humans life is priceless.
As for mechanical jamming, i have mentioned anti freeze liquids.

Its an idea, an open idea. Necessity is the mother of invention. New tech is coming up every year. If such a battery is needed, it will come through or some other combination of power sources.

 

[LOGICAL BOSSS]

On top of my head, nuclear or or uranium. If thats considered an expensive tech, then pakistan is already spending millions of rs per day on Pakistani soldiers in Siachen, so this cost should not make the country bankrupt however a soldier's life, a humans life is priceless.
As for mechanical jamming, i have mentioned anti freeze liquids.

Its an idea, an open idea. Necessity is the mother of invention. New tech is coming up every year. If such a battery is needed, it will come through or some other combination of power sources.

Siachen is the last place on earth where Robots can perfome, First Mobility still robot's has difficulty in Mobi in plain area and on Ice.
Batteries got drain in Mins. (instead of hours) in -70 degree C.
Anti freeze liquids do have limitations, range and application profiles. In electronic Circuits No way you can use then.

 

[Signalian]

Siachen is the last place on earth where Robots can perfome, First Mobility still robot's has difficulty in Mobi in plain area and on Ice.
Batteries got drain in Mins. (instead of hours) in -70 degree C.
Anti freeze liquids do have limitations, range and application profiles. In electronic Circuits No way you can use then.

Thank you for your input. I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it though i strongly disagree

 

[Bharat Muslim]

There is zero presence of Pak Army in Siachen Glacier to begin with.

All of Pak Army posts are around and beyond Saltoro Ridge, which is in control of India, along with the major passes Bilafond LA and Sia LA which is held by India.

Whew!! At least we are controlling something! I can confirm this because some Pakistani news site said that Indians are controlling Siachen. I don't trust Indian media. I have lost faith in it.

P.S.: On second thoughts I can't be sure. Because Indian intelligence agencies are such that they may even pay Pakistani media to create false perception.

 

[koolio]

India doesn't control all the passes, Pakistan still controls Gyong la pass which has effectively blocked Indian access to K2 and surrounding peaks, this is from source http://www.siachenglacier.com/

 

[Deidara]

Of course Pakistan will have to produce the robots themselves. The decision making the robots will have to do is pretty simple. Our programmers can program it fairly well for this purpose. But the mechanical engineering required is very advanced and beyond the scope of Pakistani professionals working within Pakistan. As an example check out the Atlas robot by Boston Dynamics. Its a human like walking/running robot. Pakistan cant produce such a mechanical system.

 

[Darth Vader]

The Proposed Soldier​

In order to save precious lives of soldiers who just give surveillance/sentry duty at Siachen, the proposed soldier is a Robot, SENTRY GUN.

Autonomous robotics would save and preserve soldiers' lives by removing serving soldiers, who might otherwise be killed, from the battlefield. Increasing attention is also paid to how to make the robots more autonomous, with a view of eventually allowing them to operate on their own for extended periods of time, possibly behind enemy lines.
The majority of military robots are tele-operated and not equipped with weapons; they are used for reconnaissance, surveillance, sniper detection, neutralizing explosive devices, etc. Current robots that are equipped with weapons are tele-operated so they are not capable of taking lives autonomously. Advantages regarding the lack of emotion and passion in robotic combat is also taken into consideration as a beneficial factor in significantly reducing instances of unethical behavior in wartime.
Autonomous machines are created not to be a "truly 'ethical' robots", yet ones that comply with the laws of war (LOW) and rules of engagement (ROE). Hence the fatigue, stress, emotion, adrenaline, etc. that affects a human soldiers rash decisions are removed; there will be no effect on the battlefield caused by the decisions made by the individual.

1. SUPER AEGIS II

View attachment 316324

The SUPER AEGIS II is an automated gun tower that can find and lock on to a human-sized target in pitch darkness at a distance of up to 1.36 miles (2.2 kilometers). It uses a 35x zoom CCD camera with 'enhancement feature' for bad weather, in conjunction with a dual FOV, autofocus Infra-Red sensor, to pick out targets.

Then it brings the pain, either with a standard 12.7mm caliber machine-gun, a 40mm automatic grenade launcher upgrade, or whatever other weapons system you want to bolt on to it, including surface-to-air missiles. A laser range finder helps to calibrate aim, and a gyroscopic stabilizer unit helps correct both the video system's aim and the direction of the guns after recoil pushes them off-target.

2. Samsung SGR-A1

View attachment 316325

All weather, 5.56 mm robotic machine gun and optional grenade launcher which is capable of tracking multiple moving targets using IR and visible light cameras, and is under the control of a human operator. The Intelligent Surveillance and Guard Robot can "identify and shoot a target automatically from over two miles (3.2 km) away." The robot, which was developed by a South Korean university, uses "twin optical and infrared sensors to identify targets from 2.5 miles (4 km) in daylight and around half that distance at night."

It is also equipped with communication equipment (a microphone and speakers), "so that passwords can be exchanged with human troops." If the person gives the wrong password, the robot can "sound an alarm or fire at the target using rubber bullets or a swivel-mounted MG-3." It was reported in 2006 that South Korea's soldiers in Iraq are "currently using robot sentries to guard home bases."



COMMAND and CONTROL (Remotely operated by Human Operator)

These SENTRY gun systems can be remotely controlled through a command and control center.

View attachment 316326


Major Requirements:

1. Ability to operate efficiently in extreme weather conditions of cold, snow etc

2. A Battery system with back up enough to operate for 2 months

3. Ammunition loaded for 2 weeks of combat.

4. Minimal maintenance in field.

5. Anti freezing materials to be used in all moving parts, including muzzel and barrel

6. Self destruct mechanism if position is run over.



In order to be reinforced during an assault, the use of an armed drone copter is recommended, capable of operating in Siachen weather conditions


View attachment 316327



Pakistan can save precious lives of its soldiers in Siachen sector by looking at such options. The sentry gun and drone copter are not known to be operating at such extreme war zone like Siachen. However, Robotics is the future of warfare with use of UAV,UCAV,Drone Copter etc and Pakistan should invest in R&D for Robotics.

Good idea But Wont Work
Instead of Future Option which wont work better and sane option is to develop The current Systems in use , Connect all the Posts with each other Provide Access of Better Supplies , Suits , Weapons , QR Bases Which can help forward posts and provide quick response in emergency need better Helicopters which can operate at high altitudes

 

[TMA]

Why not exclusively pick those Pakistanis who are mountain peoples and post them to Siachen? Their evolution has been in mountainous conditions (granted not as harsh as Siachen) but nonetheless they would better than a bunch of Sindhis or Punjabis whose development has been in more tropical/desert climes.

 

[Signalian]

@JungleBook I know what you mean. I have seen this but i thought of mobility issues in Siachen snow.

I also saw the South African movie, CHAPPIE, the police robot, but CHAPPIE was a movie. In reality, maybe this tech is still many years away.

I also think that instead if mules of RVFC, this (Mastiff) can also be used. Mules are the main source of supply in AJK forward posts.
3:00 onwards

In order for QRF in mountain terrain and extreme weather areas, JET PACK can be considered, ofcourse mobility wont be an issue here.

The idea of Sentry Gun is to show physical presence and provide defence in a certain area, instead of monitoring an area by UAV and sending in QRF during a breach. Siachen is a wasteland and we are losing human lives over there.

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