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The grievances of the Islamic terrorists who have brought carnage and bloodshed to the streets of Paris twice this year reach far back into history.

In their minds, it is not simply wanton violence, but the continuation of a struggle which has raged for more than a millennium.

That is what Osama bin Laden was talking about when he warned the Muslim world back in 1996 'that the people of Islam have always suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusader alliance'.

Today, ISIS nurtures its resentments in a similarly poisonous manner.

In the gloating communiqué it released after the terror attacks in Paris last week, France was condemned in decidedly medieval terms: as the capital of 'the Cross'.

This is because jihadis see themselves as being engaged in a war as old as Islam itself: a struggle for global supremacy against Christianity.

Such a reading of history reflects the undoubted fact that both religions have long cast themselves as being destined to prevail across the entire world. The tensions between them, then, are hardly surprising.

In the early 7th century, when Muhammad embarked on his prophetic mission, the vast majority of people in the Middle East were Christian.

Yet by 650, fewer than 20 years after Muhammad's death in 632, Arab armies had conquered most of the Middle East, and brought huge numbers of Christians under their rule.

By the 8th century, 100 years after the death of Muhammad, it was becoming clear that the Islamic Caliphate that had been established was not, after all — as Muslims had originally hoped — destined to conquer the world in one fell swoop.

Though they had swept westwards to Morocco and eastwards deep into central Asia, Arab armies had still experienced the occasional rebuff.

Their most formidable foes, as they had been from the very beginning, were the Byzantines, whose capital, the great city of Constantinople, ranked as the bulwark of Christendom.

The success of the Crusaders reflected a militarisation of Christian doctrine that rendered it more than the equal of Islam's own commitment to martial violence.

Even though Jerusalem remained in their hands for less than a century, other triumphs proved more enduring. In the 11th century, Sicily was seized back from its Muslim rulers by the Normans, while al-Andalus was progressively reconquered by the Christians of Spain. Not that most Muslims despaired. They scorned Europe as barbarous, fragmented and impoverished, full of shamelessly immodest women and men who never washed.

Their horizons were infinitely broader. By the 15th century, a continuous chain of Muslim lands had come to stretch from the Atlantic to the China Sea.

The age of Muhammad and his successors, which had seen Islam emerge from desert obscurity to global empire, was enshrined as the model to follow. Over recent decades, resentment at continued Western interventions in Muslim countries such as Afghanistan and Iraq have only burnished the appeal of the glorious past.

Today, according to a poll, some two-thirds of Muslims worldwide want to see the restoration of a Caliphate. It is not empires per se they are opposed to — just non-Islamic empires.

Hardly surprising, then, that al-Qaeda and ISIS should be so obsessed by periods of history that to most Westerners are thoroughly obscure.

That Constantinople has been a Muslim city for almost 600 years, that the Crusades are done and dusted, and that Europe no longer defines itself as Christendom, barely intrudes on the consciousness of many jihadis.

They inhabit a mental landscape in which the Middle Ages never went away. The menace of this way of thinking is brutally evident — a world in which young people murdered at a rock concert can be cursed as 'Crusaders' is a world on the verge of going mad.

It is not just non-Muslims who are threatened by this imperialist nostalgia. 'Either you are with the Crusade,' ISIS has warned European Muslims, 'or you are with Islam.'



Historian Tom Holland tackles ISIS and the Middle Ages | Daily Mail Online
 
Yes they were conquered because they were trying to enter levant only to capture minerals,wealth and land. The kings are changed but the greed is same. :enjoy:
 
what a piece of crap. This douce doesnt know ABC of islamic history.
 
EVERY religion has a bloody past. YES EVERY !!!

Difference is it's documented extent. As long as it is kept confined within walls of your home, it shouldn't create any friction. Issue comes when you start preaching it on the streets !
 
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Islam forming a new caliphate that spans every Muslim country. As long as it's done democratically and peacefully. That would of course mean many fragmented Islamic nations would have to enter into a single economic, political and military bloc. The best way to achieve this caliphate is to ironically model it after Israel. Israel is a home for all Jews and is democratic, there's no reason they couldn't emulate Israel in that manner. It could also usher in a more moderate, liberal and modern Islam that is influenced by countries like Malaysia rather than Saudi Arabia which has preached a violent Wahhabi version of Islam.

The world at large should welcome such a development as it could stabilize not only the middle east but world peace itself and it would also create a new level of prosperity in the Muslim world and perhaps a revitalization of scientific progress there like in the past. It would also in the long term curtail Muslim immigration to the West and that should be something they want as they fear a growing Islamic influence in the West.

The problem with the modern Islamic mindset is that a large portion of it has been hijacked by radical Mullahs who are sponsored by notable state actors (e.g. Saudi Arabia) that preach intolerance not only against non-Muslims but towards other Muslims as well, especially Shia. A true caliphate would be one that is democratic but founded with the principals of a liberal Islamic society that is capable of accepting others unlike it but with a common foundation of shared values. Essentially, a secular state that consists of a Muslim majority populace that can finally rejoin the rest of the world in progress. This may sound like a far fetched dream but anything is possible if free thinking people want it enough.
 
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Christians waged the crusades, thats why they are called "crusades". Muslims retaliated and defended their honor.
Muslims entered Jerusalem without any bloodshed but Christians entered same Jerusalem with streams of blood.
Islam is a religion of peace, but it doesn't mean that it does not allows Muslims to defend themselves.
 
Christians waged the crusades, thats why they are called "crusades". Muslims retaliated and defended their honor.
Muslims entered Jerusalem without any bloodshed but Christians entered same Jerusalem with streams of blood.
Islam is a religion of peace, but it doesn't mean that it does not allows Muslims to defend themselves.
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The grievances of the Islamic terrorists who have brought carnage and bloodshed to the streets of Paris twice this year reach far back into history.

In their minds, it is not simply wanton violence, but the continuation of a struggle which has raged for more than a millennium.

That is what Osama bin Laden was talking about when he warned the Muslim world back in 1996 'that the people of Islam have always suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusader alliance'.

Today, ISIS nurtures its resentments in a similarly poisonous manner.

In the gloating communiqué it released after the terror attacks in Paris last week, France was condemned in decidedly medieval terms: as the capital of 'the Cross'.

This is because jihadis see themselves as being engaged in a war as old as Islam itself: a struggle for global supremacy against Christianity.

Such a reading of history reflects the undoubted fact that both religions have long cast themselves as being destined to prevail across the entire world. The tensions between them, then, are hardly surprising.

In the early 7th century, when Muhammad embarked on his prophetic mission, the vast majority of people in the Middle East were Christian.

Yet by 650, fewer than 20 years after Muhammad's death in 632, Arab armies had conquered most of the Middle East, and brought huge numbers of Christians under their rule.

By the 8th century, 100 years after the death of Muhammad, it was becoming clear that the Islamic Caliphate that had been established was not, after all — as Muslims had originally hoped — destined to conquer the world in one fell swoop.

Though they had swept westwards to Morocco and eastwards deep into central Asia, Arab armies had still experienced the occasional rebuff.

Their most formidable foes, as they had been from the very beginning, were the Byzantines, whose capital, the great city of Constantinople, ranked as the bulwark of Christendom.

The success of the Crusaders reflected a militarisation of Christian doctrine that rendered it more than the equal of Islam's own commitment to martial violence.

Even though Jerusalem remained in their hands for less than a century, other triumphs proved more enduring. In the 11th century, Sicily was seized back from its Muslim rulers by the Normans, while al-Andalus was progressively reconquered by the Christians of Spain. Not that most Muslims despaired. They scorned Europe as barbarous, fragmented and impoverished, full of shamelessly immodest women and men who never washed.

Their horizons were infinitely broader. By the 15th century, a continuous chain of Muslim lands had come to stretch from the Atlantic to the China Sea.

The age of Muhammad and his successors, which had seen Islam emerge from desert obscurity to global empire, was enshrined as the model to follow. Over recent decades, resentment at continued Western interventions in Muslim countries such as Afghanistan and Iraq have only burnished the appeal of the glorious past.

Today, according to a poll, some two-thirds of Muslims worldwide want to see the restoration of a Caliphate. It is not empires per se they are opposed to — just non-Islamic empires.

Hardly surprising, then, that al-Qaeda and ISIS should be so obsessed by periods of history that to most Westerners are thoroughly obscure.

That Constantinople has been a Muslim city for almost 600 years, that the Crusades are done and dusted, and that Europe no longer defines itself as Christendom, barely intrudes on the consciousness of many jihadis.

They inhabit a mental landscape in which the Middle Ages never went away. The menace of this way of thinking is brutally evident — a world in which young people murdered at a rock concert can be cursed as 'Crusaders' is a world on the verge of going mad.

It is not just non-Muslims who are threatened by this imperialist nostalgia. 'Either you are with the Crusade,' ISIS has warned European Muslims, 'or you are with Islam.'



Historian Tom Holland tackles ISIS and the Middle Ages | Daily Mail Online
What a pile of sht.

Muslims and Byzantines were first allies; the Muslim area of the border was constantly raided and attacked by tribes on the other side, this prompted the first Syrian expedition which lead to the Byzantines declaring war after Muslim armies had advanced into Syria. The Muslims only entered with a couple thousand soldiers clearly showing that they were there just to punish the tribes and were repulsed once Byzantines arrived thus sparking the war.

It would be stupid to fight an enemy of hundreds of thousands of soldiers only with less than 20 thousand men, not to mention the Byzantines were battle-hardened, much better equipped and heavily disciplined; this also lead to a two front war in which the Caliphate was fighting the two most strongest and powerful empires of its time - the Persians and the Byzantines. Military action against the Persians commenced when they supported a massive rebellion in Bahrain and when they killed Muslim envoys.

Also, attacks on France have nothing to do with the "Crusades"; Everyone who is against ISIS is on their hit-list . ISIS also attacks Turkey, does that have anything to do with the crusades?

Crusades wasn't that much of a success; the Levant wasnt even protected and the concentration of Muslim armies were in the far east and far west(Spain). Jerusalem was easily taken back after Muslim armies began concentrating in Central middle east.

Right now whats going on in the Middle east has nothing to do with the crusades; rather it has to do with "War on Iraq" and "War on terrorism". For every action there is a reaction. The Middle east was fine before America got involved.

Christians and Jews alike supported and fought for the Caliphate.
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EVERY religion has a bloody past. YES EVERY !!!

Difference is it's documented extent. As long as it is kept confined within walls of your home, it shouldn't create any friction. Issue comes when you start preaching it on the streets !


Alas...that was the case...but you can't really expect that since -->

"Such a reading of history reflects the undoubted fact that both religions have long cast themselves as being destined to prevail across the entire world. The tensions between them, then, are hardly surprising."


^^ Quoted from the article itself. It is still very much true today as it was centuries ago. A fundamental flaw within religion itself.
 

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