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Ruble, Yuan to pave way for US dollar substitution
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Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli (1st R, front) and Russian First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov (2nd R, front) co-chair the first meeting of the China-Russia Investment Cooperation Committee in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, Sept. 9, 2014 [Xinhua]

Russia and China have begun discussions on new joint projects, worth up to a billion dollars in infrastructure, agriculture and petrochemicals.

In a major highlight of an investment meet on Tuesday, Moscow and Beijing have entered into a pact to boost use of the rouble and yuan for trade transactions.

During its maiden meeting in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, the Russia-China Investment Cooperation Commission discussed 32 bilateral investment projects on Tuesday, Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov said.

Shuvalov said the projects’ cost ranges from hundreds of millions to around a billion dollars.

“[The projects] are related to transport infrastructure, petrochemical complexes, the extraction, processing and delivery of natural resources through the Far East region and development of the agricultural sector,” Shuvalov was quoted by Russian agency Ria Novosti.

“We’re going to encourage companies from the two countries to settle more in local currencies, to avoid using a currency from a third country,” he said referring to the US dollar.

Moscow is looking to increase trade and banking cooperation with Beijing, even as it battles new rounds of sanctions imposed by the EU and US over the Ukraine crisis.

“We talked about the infrastructure of investment cooperation, expanding trade in rubles and yuan, banking cooperation, the possibility of Russian companies opening accounts and being issued loans from Chinese banks, as well as the possibility of facilitating Chinese companies’ access to Russian banks,” Shuvalov said.

The European Union had earlier in July published a law to cut off financing for five major Russian banks over Moscow’s alleged support for separatists in eastern Ukraine.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping had proposed the idea of the investment commission during their bilateral meet in May, earlier this year.

The commission, headed by Shuvalov and his Chinese counterpart, Vice Premier of China’s State Council Zhang Gaoli, was officially established on Tuesday in Beijing.


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Russian, Chinese Officials Discuss Multi-Million Dollar Investment Projects
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Russian-Chinese investment cooperation commission discussed 32 bilateral investment projects.

MOSCOW, September 9 (RIA Novosti) - The newly established Russian-Chinese investment cooperation commission discussed 32 bilateral investment projects during its first meeting on Tuesday, Russia's first Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov said.

“[The projects] are related to transport infrastructure, petrochemical complexes, the extraction, processing and delivery of natural resources through the Far East region and development of the agricultural sector,” Shuvalov told reporters.

According to the Russian deputy prime minister, the projects' cost ranges from hundreds of millions to around a billion dollars.

Other measures to strengthen Russian-Chinese collaboration were also discussed.

“We talked about the infrastructure of investment cooperation, expanding trade in rubles and yen, banking cooperation, the possibility of Russian companies opening accounts and being issued loans from Chinese banks, as well as the possibility of facilitating Chinese companies’ access to Russian banks,” Shuvalov said.

The initiative to create a bilateral commission was put forward following talks between Russia’s and China’s leaders in May. It was officially established on Tuesday. The commission is led by Shuvalov and his Chinese counterpart, Vice Premier of China’s State Council Zhang Gaoli.

@senheiser , @vostok , @Edison Chen , @Chinese-Dragon , @xunzi , @Raphael , @Genesis , @Beidou2020
 
Ruble, Yuan to pave way for US dollar substitution
The Brics Post

232576849_8.jpg

Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli (1st R, front) and Russian First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov (2nd R, front) co-chair the first meeting of the China-Russia Investment Cooperation Committee in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, Sept. 9, 2014 [Xinhua]
Russia and China have begun discussions on new joint projects, worth up to a billion dollars in infrastructure, agriculture and petrochemicals.

In a major highlight of an investment meet on Tuesday, Moscow and Beijing have entered into a pact to boost use of the rouble and yuan for trade transactions.

During its maiden meeting in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, the Russia-China Investment Cooperation Commission discussed 32 bilateral investment projects on Tuesday, Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov said.

Shuvalov said the projects’ cost ranges from hundreds of millions to around a billion dollars.

“[The projects] are related to transport infrastructure, petrochemical complexes, the extraction, processing and delivery of natural resources through the Far East region and development of the agricultural sector,” Shuvalov was quoted by Russian agency Ria Novosti.

“We’re going to encourage companies from the two countries to settle more in local currencies, to avoid using a currency from a third country,” he said referring to the US dollar.

Moscow is looking to increase trade and banking cooperation with Beijing, even as it battles new rounds of sanctions imposed by the EU and US over the Ukraine crisis.

“We talked about the infrastructure of investment cooperation, expanding trade in rubles and yuan, banking cooperation, the possibility of Russian companies opening accounts and being issued loans from Chinese banks, as well as the possibility of facilitating Chinese companies’ access to Russian banks,” Shuvalov said.

The European Union had earlier in July published a law to cut off financing for five major Russian banks over Moscow’s alleged support for separatists in eastern Ukraine.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping had proposed the idea of the investment commission during their bilateral meet in May, earlier this year.

The commission, headed by Shuvalov and his Chinese counterpart, Vice Premier of China’s State Council Zhang Gaoli, was officially established on Tuesday in Beijing.


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Related:

Russian, Chinese Officials Discuss Multi-Million Dollar Investment Projects
Ria Novosti


Russian-Chinese investment cooperation commission discussed 32 bilateral investment projects.

MOSCOW, September 9 (RIA Novosti) - The newly established Russian-Chinese investment cooperation commission discussed 32 bilateral investment projects during its first meeting on Tuesday, Russia's first Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov said.

“[The projects] are related to transport infrastructure, petrochemical complexes, the extraction, processing and delivery of natural resources through the Far East region and development of the agricultural sector,” Shuvalov told reporters.

According to the Russian deputy prime minister, the projects' cost ranges from hundreds of millions to around a billion dollars.

Other measures to strengthen Russian-Chinese collaboration were also discussed.

“We talked about the infrastructure of investment cooperation, expanding trade in rubles and yen, banking cooperation, the possibility of Russian companies opening accounts and being issued loans from Chinese banks, as well as the possibility of facilitating Chinese companies’ access to Russian banks,” Shuvalov said.

The initiative to create a bilateral commission was put forward following talks between Russia’s and China’s leaders in May. It was officially established on Tuesday. The commission is led by Shuvalov and his Chinese counterpart, Vice Premier of China’s State Council Zhang Gaoli.

@senheiser , @vostok , @Edison Chen , @Chinese-Dragon , @xunzi , @Raphael , @Genesis , @Beidou2020
Little by little we will do it. Americans, too, will have to earn money, and do not print.
 
Remember that the West has cut off financing (bank loans, selling bonds) for Russian companies in EU and US. This means that Russian companies cannot get Western banks to give them loans. Russian companies are also banned from raising money from selling dollar and euro denominated bonds in US and EU capital markets.

This is why Russian companies want to open accounts with Chinese banks so that they can get Renminbi denominated loans. Russian companies have also been selling Renminbi-denominated bonds in the offshore Renminbi market in Hong Kong. Hopefully they can also get more access to the onshore Renminbi market in Shanghai which is vastly bigger than the offshore Renminbi market.

Russian companies will have to pay a higher interest rates while getting financing in Renminbi due to Chinese interest rates being higher than US (dollar) and EU (euro) interest rates. But its better to pay bit higher interest rates than having no funding at all.

By getting funding in Renminbi, it makes the companies move away from the dollar and euro based financial system.

Doing direct trading in Renminbi and Ruble currencies in both Moscow and Shanghai will be needed so that companies don't need to convert their Renminbi into dollars first to then convert it into Rubles. This will reduce exchange rate costs. It will also bypass the US Fedwire and CHIPS payments clearing system which might in the future withhold clearing all dollar-denominated transactions involving Russian companies (like they did to Iran). So direct trading between the Renminbi and Ruble is crucial.

This is very important development as the main weapon of the West will be financial pressure by restricting access to the
1) Western banks.
2) Western capital markets (bond market, stock market, etc).
3) Western payments clearing systems (Fedwire, CHIPS).
4) SWIFT.

West still have the option of cutting off Russian financial institutions from the SWIFT telecommunication system. This is the ultimate financial weapon. It's even greater than stopping dollar payment clearance from Fedwire and CHIPS as you can bypass US dollar payments clearing system by not using the dollar and using the Renminbi instead (provided direct trading between Renminbi and Ruble exists).

You have to use the SWIFT system as it has all the world's major financial institutions that send each other financial messages to complete a financial transition.

Apparently during the Iran sanctions talk, one of Iran's first demands were they be allowed back into the SWIFT system. It was the banning of Iranian financial institutions from accessing the SWIFT system that hurt Iran the most.

Russia and China must develop their own SWIFT system.
 
Excellent post, @Beidou2020 !

Russia and China must develop their own SWIFT system.

I wonder why China and Russia are so slow about developing such system. I guess the BRICS would be a viable platform to pilot such a new model.

I am not sure about the various hardships inherent in structuring such a new system, though. I guess integration of a myriad of financial institutions among diverse countries is the most daunting challenge.
 
Excellent post, @Beidou2020 !



I wonder why China and Russia are so slow about developing such system. I guess the BRICS would be a viable platform to pilot such a new model.

I am not sure about the various hardships inherent in structuring such a new system, though. I guess integration of a myriad of financial institutions among diverse countries is the most daunting challenge.

Russia and China are working on an alternative to SWIFT:

Russia, China in talks to make alternative to SWIFT — deputy PM

September 10, 18:14 UTC+4

Russian authorities wanted to decrease the financial market’s dependence on SWIFT since the introduction of the first U.S. sanctions

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First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov
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BEIJING, September 10. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia and China are discussing setting up a system of interbank transactions which will become an analogue to International banking transaction system SWIFT, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov told PRIME on Wednesday after negotiations in Beijing.

“Yes, we have discussed and we have approved this idea,” he said.

Russian authorities wanted to decrease the financial market’s dependence on SWIFT since the introduction of the first U.S. sanctions, when international payment systems Visa and MasterCard denied services to some Russian banks owned by blacklisted individuals.

According to Shuvalov, Russia has been also discussing establishment of an independent ratings agency with China. Concrete proposals will be made by the end of 2014, he said.

As regards China’s payment system UnionPay cooperation with the yet-to-be-established Russian national payment system, Shuvalov said that UnionPay is ready for a full-scale collaboration and will provide all infrastructural capacities for that.
 
Chinese market is big enough to replace all russias exports and imports. They should cut all trade with australia

Russia and China are working on an alternative to SWIFT:

Russia, China in talks to make alternative to SWIFT — deputy PM

September 10, 18:14 UTC+4

Russian authorities wanted to decrease the financial market’s dependence on SWIFT since the introduction of the first U.S. sanctions

browse.php

First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov
© ITAR-TASS/Alexei Nikolsky


BEIJING, September 10. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia and China are discussing setting up a system of interbank transactions which will become an analogue to International banking transaction system SWIFT, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov told PRIME on Wednesday after negotiations in Beijing.

“Yes, we have discussed and we have approved this idea,” he said.

Russian authorities wanted to decrease the financial market’s dependence on SWIFT since the introduction of the first U.S. sanctions, when international payment systems Visa and MasterCard denied services to some Russian banks owned by blacklisted individuals.

According to Shuvalov, Russia has been also discussing establishment of an independent ratings agency with China. Concrete proposals will be made by the end of 2014, he said.

As regards China’s payment system UnionPay cooperation with the yet-to-be-established Russian national payment system, Shuvalov said that UnionPay is ready for a full-scale collaboration and will provide all infrastructural capacities for that.

this is good news for iran, cuba and north korea too if it would be accomplished
 

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