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by Khaled Ahmed June 22, 2020
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File photo of Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy. Attila Kisbenedek—AFP

Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy’s dismissal from Lahore’s FCC University is a win for irrationality
Professor Dr. Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy, currently teaching physics and math at Lahore’s Forman Christian College University, has been informed that his contract will not be renewed in 2021. The same week, Punjab Governor Chaudhry Mohammad Sarwar announced that all universities of the province would be required to teach the holy Quran as a compulsory subject, with students allowed to graduate only after the course has been completed.

Hoodbhoy, born in 1950, is a Ph.D. in nuclear physics; he objects to acts of state and society against reason. His book Islam and Science: Religious Orthodoxy and the Battle for Rationality explains the source of his trouble with the ideological state of Pakistan. It is not that he hates religion; he objects to acts of irrationality in the name of religion. The two scientists he most admires, Ramanujan and Abdus Salam, were deeply religious.

He protested, however, when Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer’s own police guard murdered the politician after Taseer defended a Christian woman accused of insulting Islam’s Prophet under Pakistan’s draconian anti-blasphemy law. Having lived under General Ziaul Haq’s Islamic martial law, he was put off by a 1987 conference on “scientific miracles” in which Muslim scientists mixed religious miracle with scientific discovery. Pakistani scientists, encouraged by a funding of Rs. 6,600,000 (half provided by Saudi Arabia), flew off the handle and talked rubbish about science and demeaned the divine writ of the Quran.

Pakistan’s chief scientist, Salim Mehmud, tried to give himself a leg-up by making a hash of the theory of relativity after linking it with the “mairaj” (ascension) of Islam’s Prophet. Another scientist, lucratively employed at The Holy Quran Research Foundation, proposed that taming “jinns could solve the country’s energy-related problems” as the creatures are made of fire. Many others, lured by the limelight, delivered of themselves gems of medieval gibberish in the name of Islamic science.

Hoodbhoy has examined the roots of these ridiculous attitudes among Muslim scientists and come up with a well-researched book about the maltreatment of the scientific principle in Muslim societies. He asked Nobel Prize laureate Abdus Salam to write its preface because the professor had already made a plaintive appeal to the Muslim world to spend money on scientific advancement instead of “conquering” science through dogma.

Hoodbhoy tells us that scientific facts are contingent on reality. They are empirically proven but subject to change upon further discovery. In his view, it is wrong to link the eternal truth of Islam to this evolving understanding of natural phenomena. Science relies on observation and logic whose predictability is not destroyed by the new understanding of quantum physics. For a believer, it is important to separate divine knowledge from empirical fact, but this separation should not impinge on the ferocious Islamic polemic against secularism.

Science in Islam was destroyed because it was never applied enough to involve the common man. Kings often employed scientists, but they were at times killed after the death of their patron. Al-Kindi was lashed 50 times in front of an illiterate approving crowd; Al-Razi was hit on the head with his own book on rationalism till he lost his eyesight; Ibn Sina’s entire life was spent running away from one prince after the other for fear of being killed for heresy; Ibn Khaldun, the great social scientist discovered by the West, was condemned by Taha Hussain as a non-believer pretending to be a Muslim.

In his book, Hoodbhoy quotes Syed Ameer Ali on Islamic thinkers who thought the scientific method anti-Islamic: Al-Ashari, Ibn Hanbal, Al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyya. He examines the case made by leading Asharite Imam Ghazali against the study of logic and mathematics and thinks that this was to become the greatest intellectual hurdle against the learning of science. He criticizes contemporary Islamic scholar Hussein Nasr for blaming the sciences for the misdirection of the Muslim mind. His critique of Ziauddin Sardar for introducing the polemic of secularism into the sciences is balanced and fair.

Hoodbhoy steps beyond the pale of anti-scientism in today’s new intellectual trend when he gives statistics about the poverty of science learning in the Muslim world. The gap between India and Pakistan is significant because it goes beyond the argument of population ratios. One has to helplessly concede that where Muslims control societies, the one branch of knowledge that becomes neglected is the sciences. Prof Salam’s advocacy of the pure sciences becomes meaningful when one realizes that professional disciplines far outstrip the disciplines that teach science.

Hoodbhoy is not the only dissenting voice to have been dismissed from the echelons of academia in recent weeks. Author Mohammad Hanif posted on Twitter that he, too, had been let go from Karachi’s Habib University. Similarly, Prof. Ammar Ali Jan, also affiliated with FCCU, has also claimed on the social network that he had been released as visiting faculty over his public activism that was making the varsity “controversial.”

Pervez Hoodbhoy’s book has diagnosed what is happening to the Muslim mind toward the end of the 20th century. This mind is not only producing strange reactions to the sciences in general; it is also trying to tackle the question of governance without separating the state from religious belief. The new coercive order spreading over Muslim society is not political but intellectual. The tragic fact however is that this experiment is too late in the day and quite redundant in the light of what the institution of the state has gone through in Islam’s own history and in other civilizations.


https://www.newsweekpakistan.com/re...e1tYzhIgYUArmmEWkYgi6rOSEqjZfFa-24lJKUadfoNEU
 
Hoodbhoy, born in 1950, is a Ph.D. in nuclear physics;
Look at his age . almost 70 plus , is it not okay to take retirement himself ??? Besides he talks about everything except Physics and also negating two nations theory in Seminars is not job of Physics and Maths Professor .
 
I failed to understand why illiteracy is being linked to Islam. Why religion and literacy are being treated as opposite of each other?

Islam do not stop us from perusing scientific knowledge. Its fault of our society that we are not focused towards science and technology.
 
I failed to understand why illiteracy is being linked to Islam. Why religion and literacy are being treated as opposite of each other?

Islam do not stop us from perusing scientific knowledge. Its fault of our society that we are not focused towards science and technology.

Another scientist, lucratively employed at The Holy Quran Research Foundation, proposed that taming “jinns could solve the country’s energy-related problems” as the creatures are made of fire.
 
Another scientist, lucratively employed at The Holy Quran Research Foundation, proposed that taming “jinns could solve the country’s energy-related problems” as the creatures are made of fire.

What jin has to do with Islam? Does taming jin is preached in Islam?

Jin exist even in non-religious methologies called super natural beings. You can find TV programs trying to identify this supernatural beings through science.

Brother try to understand our backwardness is due to illiteracy and not due to religion. Religion do not held us back from aquiring scientific knowledge. We have proved that for 11 centuries when Islamic countries was center of world from 6th century till 17th century we were the most powerful culture and society on earth.

We were center of science and education as well. Europe use to come to Istanbol and Baghdad to learn science and technology.
 
Another scientist, lucratively employed at The Holy Quran Research Foundation, proposed that taming “jinns could solve the country’s energy-related problems” as the creatures are made of fire.

In Bangladesh, the current government over-invested in power generation and now we have under-used capacity which is costing taxpayers money.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/power-overcapacity-now-economic-burden.672929/

Should we incite Jinns now?

@bluesky @Michael Corleone @DalalErMaNodi @Atlas @Homo Sapiens @Bilal9 @The Ronin
 
I failed to understand why illiteracy is being linked to Islam. Why religion and literacy are being treated as opposite of each other?

Islam do not stop us from perusing scientific knowledge. Its fault of our society that we are not focused towards science and technology.
Because in many instances it is.

In Bangladesh, the current government over-invested in power generation and now we have under-used capacity which is costing taxpayers money.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/power-overcapacity-now-economic-burden.672929/

Should we incite Jinns now?

@bluesky @Michael Corleone @DalalErMaNodi @Atlas @Homo Sapiens @Bilal9 @The Ronin
Offtopic post
 
I failed to understand why illiteracy is being linked to Islam. Why religion and literacy are being treated as opposite of each other?

Islam do not stop us from perusing scientific knowledge. Its fault of our society that we are not focused towards science and technology.
Leftist non sequitur. Over intellectualize everything (see all the BS fields of study like feminist dance therapy for that purpose) and all hail the super communist states that are all into super science.

The hatred for religion is due to the fact that the religion of Islam dismisses idols no matter if they are Hindu or state idols like Hitler or Stalin.

Mullahism is not our religion, these super intellectual Marxist Super Pakistanis know That too but they are blind hatred for everything that is not a super state makes them blind for the truth.

Pakistan is an Islamic Country not agnostic, not atheist, not Christians, not Hindu. Stop hating against our religion, mother India has a visa scheme for people like you!

Look at his age . almost 70 plus , is it not okay to take retirement himself ??? Besides he talks about everything except Physics and also negating two nations theory in Seminars is not job of Physics and Maths Professor .
People believe everything if someone says „according to scientists“ without fact checking. People want marriage advices from „scientists“. That’s the state of mind of the wannabe intellectuals.
 
by Khaled Ahmed June 22, 2020
pervez-hoodhboy-fcc.jpg

File photo of Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy. Attila Kisbenedek—AFP

Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy’s dismissal from Lahore’s FCC University is a win for irrationality
Professor Dr. Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy, currently teaching physics and math at Lahore’s Forman Christian College University, has been informed that his contract will not be renewed in 2021. The same week, Punjab Governor Chaudhry Mohammad Sarwar announced that all universities of the province would be required to teach the holy Quran as a compulsory subject, with students allowed to graduate only after the course has been completed.

Hoodbhoy, born in 1950, is a Ph.D. in nuclear physics; he objects to acts of state and society against reason. His book Islam and Science: Religious Orthodoxy and the Battle for Rationality explains the source of his trouble with the ideological state of Pakistan. It is not that he hates religion; he objects to acts of irrationality in the name of religion. The two scientists he most admires, Ramanujan and Abdus Salam, were deeply religious.

He protested, however, when Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer’s own police guard murdered the politician after Taseer defended a Christian woman accused of insulting Islam’s Prophet under Pakistan’s draconian anti-blasphemy law. Having lived under General Ziaul Haq’s Islamic martial law, he was put off by a 1987 conference on “scientific miracles” in which Muslim scientists mixed religious miracle with scientific discovery. Pakistani scientists, encouraged by a funding of Rs. 6,600,000 (half provided by Saudi Arabia), flew off the handle and talked rubbish about science and demeaned the divine writ of the Quran.

Pakistan’s chief scientist, Salim Mehmud, tried to give himself a leg-up by making a hash of the theory of relativity after linking it with the “mairaj” (ascension) of Islam’s Prophet. Another scientist, lucratively employed at The Holy Quran Research Foundation, proposed that taming “jinns could solve the country’s energy-related problems” as the creatures are made of fire. Many others, lured by the limelight, delivered of themselves gems of medieval gibberish in the name of Islamic science.

Hoodbhoy has examined the roots of these ridiculous attitudes among Muslim scientists and come up with a well-researched book about the maltreatment of the scientific principle in Muslim societies. He asked Nobel Prize laureate Abdus Salam to write its preface because the professor had already made a plaintive appeal to the Muslim world to spend money on scientific advancement instead of “conquering” science through dogma.

Hoodbhoy tells us that scientific facts are contingent on reality. They are empirically proven but subject to change upon further discovery. In his view, it is wrong to link the eternal truth of Islam to this evolving understanding of natural phenomena. Science relies on observation and logic whose predictability is not destroyed by the new understanding of quantum physics. For a believer, it is important to separate divine knowledge from empirical fact, but this separation should not impinge on the ferocious Islamic polemic against secularism.

Science in Islam was destroyed because it was never applied enough to involve the common man. Kings often employed scientists, but they were at times killed after the death of their patron. Al-Kindi was lashed 50 times in front of an illiterate approving crowd; Al-Razi was hit on the head with his own book on rationalism till he lost his eyesight; Ibn Sina’s entire life was spent running away from one prince after the other for fear of being killed for heresy; Ibn Khaldun, the great social scientist discovered by the West, was condemned by Taha Hussain as a non-believer pretending to be a Muslim.

In his book, Hoodbhoy quotes Syed Ameer Ali on Islamic thinkers who thought the scientific method anti-Islamic: Al-Ashari, Ibn Hanbal, Al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyya. He examines the case made by leading Asharite Imam Ghazali against the study of logic and mathematics and thinks that this was to become the greatest intellectual hurdle against the learning of science. He criticizes contemporary Islamic scholar Hussein Nasr for blaming the sciences for the misdirection of the Muslim mind. His critique of Ziauddin Sardar for introducing the polemic of secularism into the sciences is balanced and fair.

Hoodbhoy steps beyond the pale of anti-scientism in today’s new intellectual trend when he gives statistics about the poverty of science learning in the Muslim world. The gap between India and Pakistan is significant because it goes beyond the argument of population ratios. One has to helplessly concede that where Muslims control societies, the one branch of knowledge that becomes neglected is the sciences. Prof Salam’s advocacy of the pure sciences becomes meaningful when one realizes that professional disciplines far outstrip the disciplines that teach science.

Hoodbhoy is not the only dissenting voice to have been dismissed from the echelons of academia in recent weeks. Author Mohammad Hanif posted on Twitter that he, too, had been let go from Karachi’s Habib University. Similarly, Prof. Ammar Ali Jan, also affiliated with FCCU, has also claimed on the social network that he had been released as visiting faculty over his public activism that was making the varsity “controversial.”

Pervez Hoodbhoy’s book has diagnosed what is happening to the Muslim mind toward the end of the 20th century. This mind is not only producing strange reactions to the sciences in general; it is also trying to tackle the question of governance without separating the state from religious belief. The new coercive order spreading over Muslim society is not political but intellectual. The tragic fact however is that this experiment is too late in the day and quite redundant in the light of what the institution of the state has gone through in Islam’s own history and in other civilizations.


https://www.newsweekpakistan.com/re...e1tYzhIgYUArmmEWkYgi6rOSEqjZfFa-24lJKUadfoNEU

Excellent decision by the Punjab Governor.

A large number of students and Pakistani citizens, are completely oblivious to teachings of Allah Almighty in the Holy Quran. This holy revelation is about creating an Islamic civilization and understanding the meaning of GOD, and why disbelief is harmful in practice and otherwise. The holy revelation also contain information which wasn't common knowledge 1400 years ago; there are revelations which can be understood today with scientific knowledge base on hand, and there are revelations which cannot be understood even today - perhaps in the future.

People do EVIL because they do not have FEAR of Allah Almighty in their hearts; these kind of people are the biggest source of corruption in any society. But Hoodboy types do not get this.

Science is not infallible by the way; it is not divine. New findings continue to emerge and challenge older findings over time. There are SOLID theories which continue to hold in the face of new findings, and these shall be respected. But it is a mistake to assume that humans know everything now coz science.
 
I'm glad they finally got rid of this Pakistan hating scumbag. They should have arranged a US visa for him decades ago. At least he would have kept his poison to himself then.
 
till 17th century muslims were following religion and were the most advance and was dominating the world.
Nope, wrong at both things - religiosity have actually increased due to increased modes of transmission of religious knowledge and look at the average wages and technology of Europe, they were ahead since the enlightenment and renaissance.
 
Nope, wrong at both things - religiosity have actually increased due to increased modes of transmission of religious knowledge and look at the average wages and technology of Europe, they were ahead since the enlightenment and renaissance.
No religiosity was always higher in muslims during previous years as well. You can read history be it crusades, turkish empire or attack on sub-continent. Religion always played key role with these kingdoms.

WHat you call enlightenment is actually industrial revolution. Europe get into industrial revolution and hence ahead of the game.
 

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