Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[The Accountant]

Shut up and do not pass judgements! I am not dead yet!



Neither Bajwa nor Raheel Shareef! Do not let your imaginations go wild!
Pakistan is waqt bacha hua he to sirf FAUJ ki wajah se. Pakistan ko is waqt zabardast bairuni sazishon ka samna he aur ye siyasatdan in sazishon me shamil hain. Aisay me agar aap log bhi apnay dimaghi tawazun kho baithain ge to phir kya bane ga?

Correction ... Pakistan ko is halat mn phnchany mn fouj ka kaledi kirdar ha ... First bangladesh with partnership between bhutto and fouj , then brought instability by removing bhutto ... Zardari, NS, Altaf all are creation of your dear fouj

 

[Zibago]

What? Samajh nahi aaya..... Where does retrospective application come into this..as far as this bill is concerned? Sorry..if i didnt udnerstand you clearly.... Hum tu yeh keh rahay hain ke iss new bill main 62/63 main koi change hai hi nahi..aur jo 5 yr term wali baat hai...yeh bhi pehle ROPA main thee.. Also, we remembr tht Kh haris argued before the judges in panama review hearing tht u should disqualify NS on ROPA (which is for 5 yrs) and not on 62/63 but judges rejected it.. So this ROPA act had 5 yr term included in it earlier too... So ...question doesnt arise...at all..tht whether this law can/will be applied retospectively or not!

Only new thing is tht..party presidency clause...according to our understanding

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Baji Maryam not coming back to Pakistan why?????? Koi baji ko bhi bulaao

Baji ka issue nahi pehly Nawaj ka maku thapa jaye ga

 

[QatariPrince]

اثاثہ جات ریفرنس،اسحاق ڈارپر فرد جرم عائد کرنے کیلیے 27ستمبر کی تاریخ مقرر



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[QatariPrince]

اگر ریفرنس پڑھنے میں مہینہ گزار دیں تو ٹرائل کیسے مکمل ہو گا؟ جج احتساب عدالت
چھ ماہ میں ٹرائل مکمل کرنا ہے، جج احتساب عدالت
فرد جرم عائد کرنے کے لیے کم از کم سات دن کی مہلت دی جائے، وکیل اسحاق ڈار
آپ نے جرم قبول کرنا ہے کیا ؟ جج احتساب عدالت
میں صرف ایک ہفتے کی مہلت مانگ رہا ہوں، وکیل اسحاق ڈار
دو دن کا وقت کافی ہے، جج احتساب عدالت
ہم اس کیس کی روزانہ کی بنیاد پر سماعت کریں گے، جج احتساب عدالت
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[Farah Sohail]

Ishaq dar ki tu daily hearing karein ge.. Ab dekhtay hain ke ye judge ....sharf family ke cases main kia kartay hain?

Doosri baat ke agar daily hearing hogi...tu phir hearing max 1 month main khatam hojayegi....jo ke achi baat hai......lekin abhi tak tu J Ijaz ul Ahsan ne monitoring shuru hi nahi ki........koi supplementary reference file hi nahi hua.. Jab tak proper supplementary reference file nahi honge..NAB ne jo weak reference file kiye hain..jis main legal aur technical loopholes bhi zuroor honge...un ki basis par tu sab asaani se acquit hosaktay hain..

Ab time aagaya hai...ke J Ijaz ul Ahsan proper monitoring shuru kar dein .. Ab bhi agar na kiya tu kia cases ki hearing jab khatam hojaayegi..tab karein ge? @Realistic Change ..jab jab J Ijaz ul Ahsan ke baaray main optimistic honay ki koshish karein..tab tab reality bites ab tu lag raha hai ke hearing complete horahi hogi..aur Ijaz ul Ahsan ko hosh nahi aaye ga.. When will "that time" come when he will do the "right thing" ? Ab nahi tu kab? Shayad jab ...accountability court ke judge...acquit kar dein ge..due to weak references by NAB..tab J Ijaz ul Ahsan ko hosh aayega ke ...ohoo mujhe tu kuch karna chahye tha.. NAB se theek tarah se kaam karaana chahye tha..

 

[Dastaan]

nawaz sharif to NRO kar k chala gya tha ye wapis kaise aa gya...

https://twitter.com/x/status/912036658685599744

 

[Farah Sohail]

Kiya lagta hai ke ..iss article main....us bill ka zikr horaha hai...jo abhi senate se pass hua hai..ya mazeed koi legislation karnay ki govt tayyari karrahi hai..uska zikr hai? Apparently tu....article ki language se lag raha hai..ke govt ..koi aur kegislation karna chah rahi ..uska zikr hai..future tense main hai article ..ke govt ne faisla kiya hai aur aisa kiya jayega... . Article main likha hai..ke nayi qanoon sazi ki jayegi ... Us main ye hoga..woh hoga... Lagta hai..ke abhi jo senate se bill pass hua hai.,uska zikr nahi.....?

Quoting from new bill recently passed in senate..
60. Nomination for election.— (1) Any voter of a constituency, may propose or second the name of any qualified person to be a candidate for Member for that constituency:

Provided that no voter shall subscribe to more than one nomination papers either as proposer or seconder.

(2) Every nomination shall be made by a separate nomination paper on the Form signed both by the proposer and the seconder and shall, on solemn affirmation made and signed by the candidate, be accompanied by—

1. (a) a declaration that he has consented to the nomination and that he fulfils the qualifications specified in Article 62 and is not subject to any of the disqualifications specified in Article 63 or any other law for being elected as a Member;
   
   
2. (b) a declaration that he has opened an exclusive account with a scheduled bank for the purpose of election expenses;
   
   
3. (c) a statement specifying his educational qualifications, occupation and National Identity Card number along with attested copies of these documents, where applicable; and
   
   
4. (d) a Wealth Statement including assets and liabilities of his spouse and dependent children as on the preceding thirtieth day of June on the form prescribed under the Income Tax Ordinance, 2001 (XLIX of 2001).
   

Explanations:
1. A candidate who has filed a Wealth Statement under the Income Tax Ordinance, 2001 (XLIX of 2001) shall attach a copy of the same with his nomination paper.


Is...wealth statement mentioned in 60 2 (d) ..in new election bill......different from statements of assets and liabilities mentioned in old nomination papers?.have they excluded something now? @PakSword
here is the link of old nomination paper https://ecp.gov.pk/Documents/Downloads/Nomination Form-IA.pdf

 

[Verve]

ہم اس کیس کی روزانہ کی بنیاد پر سماعت کریں گے، جج احتساب عدالت

SC ka danda sir pe hai

 

[The Accountant]

اگر ریفرنس پڑھنے میں مہینہ گزار دیں تو ٹرائل کیسے مکمل ہو گا؟ جج احتساب عدالت
چھ ماہ میں ٹرائل مکمل کرنا ہے، جج احتساب عدالت
فرد جرم عائد کرنے کے لیے کم از کم سات دن کی مہلت دی جائے، وکیل اسحاق ڈار
آپ نے جرم قبول کرنا ہے کیا ؟ جج احتساب عدالت
میں صرف ایک ہفتے کی مہلت مانگ رہا ہوں، وکیل اسحاق ڈار
دو دن کا وقت کافی ہے، جج احتساب عدالت
ہم اس کیس کی روزانہ کی بنیاد پر سماعت کریں گے، جج احتساب عدالت
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@Farah Sohail This is evidence of monitoring by SC ... TO avoid unnecessary criticism, monitoring is being done from behind the scenes ... That is also necessary as ultimately this case is going to SC ... So SC has to avoid the impression that they are playing part of prosecution as well ...

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Farah Sohail This is evidence of monitoring by SC ... TO avoid unnecessary criticism, monitoring is being done from behind the scenes ... That is also necessary as ultimately this case is going to SC ... So SC has to avoid the impression that they are playing part of prosecution as well ...

Kia faida..case 6 months main complete honay ka...agar prosecution weak ho...aur sab acquit hojayein? Agar NAB weak references file karay...legal aur technical loopholes hon...aisy main agar 6 months..main faisla aajaye..aur sab acquit hojayein..tu aisi so called monitoring ka kia faida? Agar SC main appeal par bhi.....ye case chala jaye...aur prosecution weak ho..tu wahan se bhi acquit hojayein ge...weak prosecution ki wajah se..aur kisi aisy judges k pass SC main appeal chali jaye..jo pehle panama case ka part bhi nahi thay,,jinhein..is case ki itni details ka nahi pata.. Agar unhon ne SC main appeal suni..aur wahan bhi NAB ne weak prosecution ki..tu SC se bhi sab acquit hijayein ge.. Phir 6 months main trial complete honay ka kia faida...jab ke weak prosecution ki wajah se sab acquit hojayein?.. Monitoring tu NAB ki bhi honi thee.. Monitoring judge was supposed to monitor proceedings of NAB and accountability court.. Agar NAB ki monitoring na hui..unhein karnay diya gaya..jaisy marzi woh chahein tu..monitoring judge ka kia faida hoga? Phir monitoring judge ki zuroorat hi kia thee? Monitoring judge had to ensure implementation of verdict in letter and spirit... Is ka kia matlab tha?

 

[El_Swordsmen]

SC ka danda sir pe hai

humain fouj ka bhi lagta hai .... both institutions are playing smartly handling things from behind the curtain

Kia faida..case 6 months main complete honay ka...agar prosecution weak ho...aur sab acquit hojayein? Agar NAB weak references file karay...legal aur technical loopholes hon...aisy main agar 6 months..main faisla aajaye..aur sab acquit hojayein..tu aisi so called monitoring ka kia faida? Agar SC main appeal par bhi.....ye case chala jaye...aur prosecution weak ho..tu wahan se bhi acquit hojayein ge...weak prosecution ki wajah se..aur kisi aisy judges k pass SC main appeal chali jaye..jo pehle panama case ka part bhi nahi thay,,jinhein..is case ki itni details ka nahi pata.. Agar unhon ne SC main appeal suni..aur wahan bhi NAB ne weak prosecution ki..tu SC se bhi sab acquit hijayein ge.. Phir 6 months main trial complete honay ka kia faida...jab ke weak prosecution ki wajah se sab acquit hojayein?.. Monitoring tu NAB ki bhi honi thee.. Monitoring judge was supposed to monitor proceedings of NAB and accountability court.. Agar NAB ki monitoring na hui..unhein karnay diya gaya..jaisy marzi woh chahein tu..monitoring judge ka kia faida hoga? Phir monitoring judge ki zuroorat hi kia thee? Monitoring judge had to ensure implementation of verdict in letter and spirit... Is ka kia matlab tha?

that is another debate, agar aisa hogia to kiya hoga, waisa hogia to kiya hoga
fact of the matter is that monitoring is being done .... many lawyers have said that monitoring judge job is to monitor references are filed or not & proceedings to be completed in 6 months .... monitoring judge cannot dictate to add such & such clause in a reference .... jitna horha hai honay dain pehly ... baqi baad ki baat hai !!

 

[Verve]

humain fouj ka bhi lagta hai .... both institutions are playing smartly handling things from behind the curtain

It was Gen Raheel who openly announced full support for judiciary. Gen Bajwa has reconfirmed that as well. This has given SC the teeth it needs to chew the 'lohay kay chanay'.

 

[El_Swordsmen]

It was Gen Raheel who openly announced full support for judiciary. Gen Bajwa has reconfirmed that as well. This has given SC the teeth it needs to chew the 'lohay kay chanay'.

ittefaaq foundary ka aksar 'loha' 2 number hi hota hai ....

 

[Verve]

ittefaaq foundary ka aksar 'loha' 2 number hi hota hai ....

Loha to pani se bhi kata ja sakta hai ... chabanay ki zaroorat hi nahi ... cut the Sharifs to small sizes

 

[Boomin' Bomber I.J.]

Kia faida..case 6 months main complete honay ka...agar prosecution weak ho...aur sab acquit hojayein? Agar NAB weak references file karay...legal aur technical loopholes hon...aisy main agar 6 months..main faisla aajaye..aur sab acquit hojayein..tu aisi so called monitoring ka kia faida? Agar SC main appeal par bhi.....ye case chala jaye...aur prosecution weak ho..tu wahan se bhi acquit hojayein ge...weak prosecution ki wajah se..aur kisi aisy judges k pass SC main appeal chali jaye..jo pehle panama case ka part bhi nahi thay,,jinhein..is case ki itni details ka nahi pata.. Agar unhon ne SC main appeal suni..aur wahan bhi NAB ne weak prosecution ki..tu SC se bhi sab acquit hijayein ge.. Phir 6 months main trial complete honay ka kia faida...jab ke weak prosecution ki wajah se sab acquit hojayein?.. Monitoring tu NAB ki bhi honi thee.. Monitoring judge was supposed to monitor proceedings of NAB and accountability court.. Agar NAB ki monitoring na hui..unhein karnay diya gaya..jaisy marzi woh chahein tu..monitoring judge ka kia faida hoga? Phir monitoring judge ki zuroorat hi kia thee? Monitoring judge had to ensure implementation of verdict in letter and spirit... Is ka kia matlab tha?

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