Pakistan to arm jets with Chinese missiles

[S_O_C_O_M]

Pakistan to arm jets with Chinese missiles​

Nov 18, 2010

BEIJING - PAKISTAN has confirmed it will buy Chinese missiles and flight systems to equip its 250 JF-17 Thunder jet fighters as it seeks to deepen military cooperation with Beijing, state media said on Thursday.

Rao Qamar Suleman, air chief marshal of the Pakistan Air Force, told the Global Times newspaper Chinese radar systems and SD-10 mid-range homing missiles would be used on the fighters co-developed by the two nations.

'PAF has no plans to install Western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being,' the newspaper quoted Suleman as saying.

Pakistan may also buy up to four Chinese surface-to-air missiles, as it seeks stronger cooperation with China to help upgrade its armed forces, Mr Suleman told the China Daily in a separate interview.

He made the remarks on the sidelines of the annual Zhuhai Air Show now under way in southern China.

Chinese defence experts played down the comments, saying any cooperation did not target any country and did not compare with deals adopted during a visit to India this month by US President Barack Obama, the China Daily said. -- AFP

Pakistan to arm jets with Chinese missiles

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Pakistan inks deal for Chinese missiles ​

Rao Qamar Suleman

By Xu Tianran in Zhuhai and Chris Dalby in Beijing

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) confirmed to the Global Times its purchase of Chinese avionics and missiles to equip its 250 JF- 17 Thunder jet fighter fleet.

Rao Qamar Suleman, air chief marshal of the PAF, revealed in an exclusive interview Wednesday that pre-purchase evaluations on several other Chinese air defense systems were also underway.

Suleman said the advanced active radar and homing middle-range missile developed by China, the SD-10 missile, will become the standard Beyond Visual Range (BVR) weapon of the JF-17. He further added "PAF has no plans to install Western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being."

It appears that the deal between China and Pakistan was made possible following the withdrawal of a French bid to arm the JF-17 after pressure from the Indian government. Last March, Dow Jones reported that a joint bid by French aeronautics company ATE, along with Thales Group and MBDA, was in prime position to secure a 1.2-billion-euro contact to supply radars and missiles to the first wave of 50 JF-17 fighters. Le Monde also reported that the deal was to be signed during an official state visit by Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani.

However, larger financial and geo-political factors may have made the deal flatline. In April, Le Monde reported that the French government would not give the green light for the 1.2-billion -euro deal, quoting a source inside President Nicolas Sarkozy's office as saying that this refusal was related to "French-Indian relations."

The deal between France and Pakistan would have brought in 15 million euros per equipped fighter for the ATE consortium.

The precision-guided bombs developed by the Aviation Industry Corporation of China Defense (AVIC Defense) also caught the attention of Suleman at the Airshow China in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province. "It is ideal for counter-insurgency operations," Suleman said.
Suleman also revealed that Pakistan may well order advanced defense missile systems from China, including Chinese Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) systems.

Pakistan inks deal for Chinese missiles - GlobalTimes

 

[fatman17]

this is as per PAF plans.

He further added "PAF has no plans to install Western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being."

so the window to install western devices remains 'open'

 

[rockstarIN]

Pakistan inks deal for Chinese missiles ​

Rao Qamar Suleman

By Xu Tianran in Zhuhai and Chris Dalby in Beijing

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) confirmed to the Global Times its purchase of Chinese avionics and missiles to equip its 250 JF- 17 Thunder jet fighter fleet.

Rao Qamar Suleman, air chief marshal of the PAF, revealed in an exclusive interview Wednesday that pre-purchase evaluations on several other Chinese air defense systems were also underway.

Suleman said the advanced active radar and homing middle-range missile developed by China, the SD-10 missile, will become the standard Beyond Visual Range (BVR) weapon of the JF-17. He further added "PAF has no plans to install Western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being."

It appears that the deal between China and Pakistan was made possible following the withdrawal of a French bid to arm the JF-17 after pressure from the Indian government. Last March, Dow Jones reported that a joint bid by French aeronautics company ATE, along with Thales Group and MBDA, was in prime position to secure a 1.2-billion-euro contact to supply radars and missiles to the first wave of 50 JF-17 fighters. Le Monde also reported that the deal was to be signed during an official state visit by Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani.

However, larger financial and geo-political factors may have made the deal flatline. In April, Le Monde reported that the French government would not give the green light for the 1.2-billion -euro deal, quoting a source inside President Nicolas Sarkozy's office as saying that this refusal was related to "French-Indian relations."

The deal between France and Pakistan would have brought in 15 million euros per equipped fighter for the ATE consortium.

The precision-guided bombs developed by the Aviation Industry Corporation of China Defense (AVIC Defense) also caught the attention of Suleman at the Airshow China in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province. "It is ideal for counter-insurgency operations," Suleman said.
Suleman also revealed that Pakistan may well order advanced defense missile systems from China, including Chinese Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) systems.

Pakistan inks deal for Chinese missiles - GlobalTimes

15 million euros per fighter would have been a huge jump in JFTs cost per plane. What is the estimated cost for Chinese systems per fighter?

 

[Areesh]

Pakistan may also buy up to four Chinese surface-to-air missiles, as it seeks stronger cooperation with China to help upgrade its armed forces, Mr Suleman told the China Daily in a separate interview.

Interesting. May be we are referring to HQ-9 here.

 

[Vimana1]

been posted already threads merged

 

[ANG]

Hi, this report mentions it is the HQ-18. Take care.

Pakistan seeks closer military ties with China

 

[air marshal]

Pakistan to arm new JF-17 fighters with Chinese BVR missiles
Beijing, Nov 18 (PTI)

Pakistan will buy Chinese air-to-air SD-10 missiles and avionics to arm its 250 JF-17 Thunder fighter fleet, the country's air force chief has said, amid signs that the French had spurned offer to equip them.

"Islamabad is seeking to deepen military cooperation with Beijing", Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman Chief of the Pakistani Air Force told the 'Global Times' revealing that his country may also opt to acquire other advanced defence missile systems including Chinese Surface to Air Missiles (SAM) systems
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Pakistan has opted to go in for full Chinese armament systems for the jointly developed fighters and Suleman currently on a visit to China told the paper that the advanced active radar and homing middle-range missile developed by China, called the SD-10 will become the standard Beyond Visual Range (BVR) weapon of the JF-17.

"PAF has no plans to install western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being", Pakistani Air Force Chief said.

'Global Times' quoting unnamed sources claimed that the French consortium has withdrawn from a reported 1.2 billion euro contract to supply radars and missiles for the first wave of 50 JF-17 fighters, after pressure from India.

French sources had reported that a joint bid had been made by French aeronautic company ATE along with Thales Group and MBDA.

The paper said that Pakistan may also buy upto four batteries of the Chinese SAM missiles.

The Pakistan Air Force Chief is currently on a visit to China to attend the Zhuhai Air Show now underway in southern China, where the JF-17s were a major attraction.The SD-10 (ShanDian-10) is a radar guided air-to-air missile developed by China in 2002. The Red Air Force has inducted these missiles in 2007 and the ones being supplied to Pakistan would be the missiles first exports.

SD-10 is said to be a variant of Italian Aspide missiles supplied to China in late 80s.

Pakistan Air Force has a big fleet of Chinese made fighters including F-7PGs and A-5s. The medium technology JF-17 or Thunder jets manufactured jointly with China are a new addition to PAF.

Pak to arm new JF-17 fighters with Chinese BVR missiles

 

[graphican]

Great News..

Chinse are reliable and trustworthy allies. If French can change their decission because of Indian involvement today, they could surely have cinched future supplies/accessories for the same. Thanks God we are saved from any future blackmailing.. Alhamdolillah.

 

[AMCA]

Great News..

Chinse are reliable and trustworthy allies. If French can change their decission because of Indian involvement today, they could surely have cinched future supplies/accessories for the same. Thanks God we are saved from any future blackmailing.. Alhamdolillah.

We wanted you to get chinese accessories , Look how good we are to U, U got what You needed Dint u, Otherwise U would have wasted Money on French technology, U need to thank us buddy....

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

We wanted you to get chinese accessories , Look how good we are to U, U got what You needed Dint u, Otherwise U would have wasted Money on French technology, U need to thank us buddy....

Thanx alot indians !
but u need to buy more and more weapons to every arms producing country (Except China) to Avoid Pakistan reaching their market.
Good strategy though
let see for how many years and how much arms u could purchase to keep Pakistan away from western military market.

 

[monitor]

hope for western equipment deemed !

 

[sathya]

world never knew about chinese weapon capabilities,,,
which will be changed soon..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

this is as per PAF plans.

He further added "PAF has no plans to install Western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being."

so the window to install western devices remains 'open'

a smart move by PAF....it's always good to keep options open, rather than constrict them

in my personal opinion, we should try to opt for Chinese equipment when and however much possible. Over the years they are gaining vastly large amount of knowledge and know-how in defence sector. They have invested a lot in R&D and are catching up to western tech standards. It puts us less at risk of any embargos or sanctions which we have come to get used to -if they were to arise and be imposed for whatever the hell reason

as they say, never put your eggs in one basket


the window to install western devices remains 'open' as long as we keep JFT compatible to western and eastern (as well as domestically as time passes, and wherever possible)

 

[Areesh]

a smart move by PAF....it's always good to keep options open, rather than constrict them

in my personal opinion, we should try to opt for Chinese equipment when and however much possible. Over the years they are gaining vastly large amount of knowledge and know-how in defence sector. They have invested a lot in R&D and are catching up to western tech standards. It puts us less at risk of any embargos or sanctions which we have come to get used to -if they were to arise and be imposed for whatever the hell reason

as they say, never put your eggs in one basket


the window to install western devices remains 'open' as long as we keep JFT compatible to western and eastern (as well as domestically as time passes, and wherever possible)

Well PAF is keeping it's all options open. We also had discussion with Italy for the radar for the JFT. Italy also showed it's interest in this project.

Another area of interest to both countries is collaboration on a aircraft radar system for the Pakistan Air Force's newest fighter the JF-17 Thunder. Italy has shown keen interest to step in the void created by the refusal / delay by the french to supply a avionics and radar package.

Pakistan and Italy in talks over defence industry collaboration