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Greece rejects Pakistan’s request for submarine batteries​

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Apr 06, 2023, 03:33PM ISTSource: Times Now

Pakistan's navy is facing a double setback as it is currently grappling with a shortage of batteries for its submarines already in service, as well as a lack of engines for those under construction. Among the five submarines in Pakistan's possession, the batteries are crucial for powering the conventional ones when underwater. However, Pakistan's request to Greece for batteries has been denied, likely in response to India's request to Greece to stop exporting defense materials to Pakistan last year. Greece has a policy that requires permission from its foreign ministry for the export of weaponry, and in this case, the highest level denied Pakistan's request due to close ties with India, India's importance globally, and Pakistan's close relationship with Turkey, a rival of Greece. This setback will impact Pakistan's naval defense capabilities, causing significant concerns for the country's military leadership.

 

Greece rejects Pakistan’s request for submarine batteries​

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Apr 06, 2023, 03:33PM ISTSource: Times Now

Pakistan's navy is facing a double setback as it is currently grappling with a shortage of batteries for its submarines already in service, as well as a lack of engines for those under construction. Among the five submarines in Pakistan's possession, the batteries are crucial for powering the conventional ones when underwater. However, Pakistan's request to Greece for batteries has been denied, likely in response to India's request to Greece to stop exporting defense materials to Pakistan last year. Greece has a policy that requires permission from its foreign ministry for the export of weaponry, and in this case, the highest level denied Pakistan's request due to close ties with India, India's importance globally, and Pakistan's close relationship with Turkey, a rival of Greece. This setback will impact Pakistan's naval defense capabilities, causing significant concerns for the country's military leadership.

indian media as BS as always .

there are more then a dozen companies around the globe provide battires for these subs SUNLIGHT is not only company

EnerSys Systems Sunlight SA , Exide Technologies, Zibo Torch Energy Co., Ltd., Exide Industries , EverExceed, HBL, GS Yuasa, Korea Special Battery Co., Ltd.etc are few ig names in industry and tons of other small names . ZIBO torch china will provide these batteries on next flight if needed .
 
indian media as BS as always .

there are more then a dozen companies around the globe provide battires for these subs SUNLIGHT is not only company

EnerSys Systems Sunlight SA , Exide Technologies, Zibo Torch Energy Co., Ltd., Exide Industries , EverExceed, HBL, GS Yuasa, Korea Special Battery Co., Ltd.etc are few ig names in industry and tons of other small names . ZIBO torch china will provide these batteries on next flight if needed .
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Keel laying ceremony of Pakistan Navy's Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) (Ship-2, Batch-II) held today at Damen Shipyard Galati, Romania Pakistan Navy already operates 2x Damen OPVs PNS Yarmook (271) & PNS Tabuk(272) ordered earlier as Batch-I. Batch-II contains 2x OPVs, after completion of Batch-II, Pakistan Navy will operate 4x Damen/Yarmook Class Corvettes.

As per Pakistan Navy these ships will be multipurpose as well as highly adaptive platforms, equipped with state-of-the-art weapons & sensors to fight all domains of maritime warfare.

Earlier keel laying of ship-1 & steel cutting of ship-2 of Batch-II happened on 12th October 2022.
 
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Pictures of Pakistan Navy's last 2 Type 054A/P (Tughril Class) FFGs, PNS TIPU SULTAN (F-263) & PNS SHAH JAHAN (F-264), from Shanghai . All weapons and sub systems appear to have been integrated and ships ready to be handed over to PN. Flag on F-264 (Pic 3)?


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OPV Batch I along with Zulfiqar class frigates should now be refitted with credible SAMs. Further in future plans PN should consider 1-2 type 52 DE destroyers with LRSAM which so far are lacking in PN fleet. We may further get credible platforms to arm with our indigenous BMs with rnages 1000KM+ and Babur-III with range of 1000KM to hit enemy targets far away. Considering IN trying to establish it's stations in Africa and Seychelles the limited destroyer inductions quite fit in our future naval doctrine.
 
OPV Batch I along with Zulfiqar class frigates should now be refitted with credible SAMs. Further in future plans PN should consider 1-2 type 52 DE destroyers with LRSAM which so far are lacking in PN fleet. We may further get credible platforms to arm with our indigenous BMs with rnages 1000KM+ and Babur-III with range of 1000KM to hit enemy targets far away. Considering IN trying to establish it's stations in Africa and Seychelles the limited destroyer inductions quite fit in our future naval doctrine.
Not possible. OPV Batch 1 has no space for VLS. Zukfiqar class also has no space below deck for VLS. For both these classes the most likely option is RAM/HQ10.
 
Not possible. OPV Batch 1 has no space for VLS. Zukfiqar class also has no space below deck for VLS. For both these classes the most likely option is RAM/HQ10.
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Mid-life Upgrade of F-22P Frigates: Zulfiquar class frigates (F-22P) being the workhorse of the Pakistan navy are repaired routinely by KS&EW to keep them in top condition and to carry out operational duties. Currently, one of the ships from the class is being upgraded at KS&EW. A major upgrade in its air defense systems is expected, according to current CNS Admiral Amjad khan Niazi interview with a Turkish news agency the Pakistan navy is procuring Albatross-NG air defense system from MBDA for its F-22P. Along with a new air defense system, new electronic support measures (ESM) and a new Radio intelligence station from ASELSAN Turkiye will be integrated into F-22P.

Further as far as Btach I opv the Russian style weapons station i.e KASHTAN like solution a mix of Missile/Gun combo is possible from China.
 
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Mid-life Upgrade of F-22P Frigates: Zulfiquar class frigates (F-22P) being the workhorse of the Pakistan navy are repaired routinely by KS&EW to keep them in top condition and to carry out operational duties. Currently, one of the ships from the class is being upgraded at KS&EW. A major upgrade in its air defense systems is expected, according to current CNS Admiral Amjad khan Niazi interview with a Turkish news agency the Pakistan navy is procuring Albatross-NG air defense system from MBDA for its F-22P. Along with a new air defense system, new electronic support measures (ESM) and a new Radio intelligence station from ASELSAN Turkiye will be integrated into F-22P.

Further as far as Btach I opv the Russian style weapons station i.e KASHTAN like solution a mix of Missile/Gun combo is possible from China.
batch I is already having ciws ported from retired type 21
 
Not possible. OPV Batch 1 has no space for VLS. Zukfiqar class also has no space below deck for VLS. For both these classes the most likely option is RAM/HQ10.
For Batch 1,i think best HQ-10 is not likely possible d/t china/nato issues. RAM is not likely possible d/t Pakistan/US issues. Honestly best senario for these IF you really need PDMS is wait for Turkish Levent PDMS. That said, these ships were a big mistake for PN. They shouldn't have gotten them as for Corvette role as the layout isnt really suitable for self protection a 21 cell Levent could change that and make the true servicable Corvettes.

As for F-22P... That isn't entirely true. Remember that platform that currently holds FM-90 itself is something like 5-6 feet above the deck. So removing that and adding a a riased VLS like that on SA'AR 5, Type 23 frigates and Yarmook Batch 2 would be entirely possible. The question really was what systems to use. If PN has elected to go with a complete deep dive overhaul and replace chinese sensors with turkish systems and sensors, then Albatross becomes reasonable. It will be very expensive however. That said, the alternative here as you said is a 21 cell FL-3000N like the standard 054 upgrade.
 
As per a feasibility study, installation of GWS-26 VLS is possible.

Albatross-NG for Zulfiquar class in future with other important upgrades IA.

Yarmook class will not carry any missile based air defense system. Their employment does not necessitate need of dedicated air defense system.
Not possible. OPV Batch 1 has no space for VLS. Zukfiqar class also has no space below deck for VLS. For both these classes the most likely option is RAM/HQ10.
 

Chinese Defense Minister meets with Pakistani Chief of Naval Staff​

Source: China Military Online
Editor: Chen Zhuo
Time: 2023-05-08 16:04:16

BEIJING, May 8 -- Chinese State Councilor and Defense Minister General Li Shangfu met with Admiral Amjad Khan Niazi, Chief of the Naval Staff of Pakistani Navy, in Beijing on the morning of May 8.

Li said that President Xi Jinping attaches great importance to bilateral relations and had met with Pakistani prime minister three times last year. The Chinese side is willing to work with the Pakistani side to implement the important consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries, further strengthen high-level exchanges and strategic communication, and make the China-Pakistan relations a model for building a community of shared future for mankind.

The mil-to-mil relationship is an important part of the bilateral relations. Both sides have achieved sound cooperative results in fields of delegate exchanges, joint exercises, equipment and technology, counter-terrorism, etc., while the cooperation between the two navies is getting deeper. "The two militaries should explore new areas of exchange, spark new highlights of cooperation, continuously improve their ability to tackle various security risks and challenges, and work together to safeguard the national and regional security interests," General Li pointed out.

Niazi appreciated China's assistance to the development of the Pakistani navy. He said that the friendship between Pakistan and China has set a pattern for other countries in the world. Nowadays, maritime security is becoming more and more prominent. The Pakistani navy is willing to establish closer cooperation mechanism with the Chinese navy, continuously deepen pragmatic exchanges and cooperation, and jointly maintain regional security and stability.
 
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Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan, Chief of the Naval Staff (CNS), called on China’s Defence Minister, General Li Shangfu, at Beijing. Both military leaders discussed Pakistan - China All-Weather Strategic Cooperative Partnership.China's Defence Minister told Pakistan's Chief of Naval Staff, that the two countries' military relationship was a key part of their special, strategic relationship.

The two militaries should expand into new areas of exchanges, create new high points of cooperation to continuously enhance their ability to deal with all sorts of risks and challenges, and jointly maintain the security interests of the two countries and of the region," said the Chinese Defence Minister.

The Pakistan Naval Chief is in China to attend the simultaneous launch of two Tughril-class guided missile and air defence frigates, the PNS Tipu Sultan (F-263) and PNS Shahjahan (F-264).

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