Pakistan Naval Aviation - Updated

[Haris Ali2140]

the 6 holes in fuselage floor Look like sonobuoy launcher ??

lastly it has anti sub role plos mpa but what about anti surface role ?? Carrying any long range anti ship weapons , non so far but somewhere it mentioned ??

It has 2 HP.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

It has 2 HP.

Torpedos are going to be launched from those HPs?

 

[khanasifm]

It has 2 HP.

Just anti sub plus mpa role
no anti surface role like Turkish atr-72 program and unlike Italian atr-72 which are just mpa no anti sub role


https://www.janes.com/article/89795/pakistan-navy-receives-second-atr-72-mpa

 

[Michel Niesten]

the 6 holes in fuselage floor Look like sonobuoy launcher ??

lastly it has anti sub role plos mpa but what about anti surface role ?? Carrying any long range anti ship weapons , non so far but somewhere it mentioned ??

I suppose torpedoes are also quite efficient against surface vessels. Although they have to be in a certain range to fire them.

 

[Yasser76]

I suppose torpedoes are also quite efficient against surface vessels. Although they have to be in a certain range to fire them.

If PN is as networked as we think it is, these MPAs may not have to carry long range missiles. P-3C has long range but Harpoon missile it carries it relatively short ranged (100km odd)

Value of these new ATR-72s is acting as detection and guidence platforms. Soon PN will have many platforms that can carry Zarb/Babur with 400m range (Fast Attack boats, MILGEM etc). No radar on these boats can cue the missiles with such long range, ATR-72 solves this problem. If PN can find data link and software solution, in theory our boats can sail say 200km away from coast, ATR-72 can fly 400km ahead and we can look at targeting IN vessels 600km away from our coast. Effectively keeping our supply lines open

 

[airomerix]

ATR-72

 

[aziqbal]

ok so more than 10 warships coming to the navy what helicopters have they prepared ?

2 x OPV, 4 x MILGEM and 4 x Type 054AP

or are they planning on using those Z9C with 50km range ?

we need to start getting serious with a proper naval squadron of helicopters

we need 24 medium sized ultra modern helicopters

 

[Yasser76]

ok so more than 10 warships coming to the navy what helicopters have they prepared ?

2 x OPV, 4 x MILGEM and 4 x Type 054AP

or are they planning on using those Z9C with 50km range ?

we need to start getting serious with a proper naval squadron of helicopters

we need 24 medium sized ultra modern helicopters

Totally agree, PN Helicopter fleet is very limited when you look at the platforms inducted. Sea Kings old, even with upgrades and often too big for most of our Frigates to store in ship's hanger. Aloutte III to old, little range, very little load capacity. Z9C OK, but unable to launch AShM, limited to Torpedo only, and equipment Chinese not western.

As you so PN needs 24 aircraft maybe in Wildcat class. Navalised AW139 would be perfect. Would need to be configured to carry our own Anti-ship missiles but integration with NATO standard Turkish equipment will be easy. As Air Force have shown also has excellent SAR and ISR capability, good range and night/bad weather capable.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Totally agree, PN Helicopter fleet is very limited when you look at the platforms inducted. Sea Kings old, even with upgrades and often too big for most of our Frigates to store in ship's hanger. Aloutte III to old, little range, very little load capacity. Z9C OK, but unable to launch AShM, limited to Torpedo only, and equipment Chinese not western.

As you so PN needs 24 aircraft maybe in Wildcat class. Navalised AW139 would be perfect. Would need to be configured to carry our own Anti-ship missiles but integration with NATO standard Turkish equipment will be easy. As Air Force have shown also has excellent SAR and ISR capability, good range and night/bad weather capable.

Why Anti Ship? Ships are enough for Anti Ship. Helicopters should be used for Anti Sub Role with carrying Torpedos

 

[Yasser76]

Why Anti Ship? Ships are enough for Anti Ship. Helicopters should be used for Anti Sub Role with carrying Torpedos

Helicopters armed with anti -ship missiles can fly further ahead of the ship and launch, this potentially keeps the ship out of harms way. Also the helicopter will be able to "see" and acquire targets much more further away then the ship's radar can

 

[Akh1112]

Why Anti Ship? Ships are enough for Anti Ship. Helicopters should be used for Anti Sub Role with carrying Torpedos

There are limitations with Ship radars and the Horizon, helo's can get far better range due to the antenna being higher

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Totally agree, PN Helicopter fleet is very limited when you look at the platforms inducted. Sea Kings old, even with upgrades and often too big for most of our Frigates to store in ship's hanger. Aloutte III to old, little range, very little load capacity. Z9C OK, but unable to launch AShM, limited to Torpedo only, and equipment Chinese not western.

As you so PN needs 24 aircraft maybe in Wildcat class. Navalised AW139 would be perfect. Would need to be configured to carry our own Anti-ship missiles but integration with NATO standard Turkish equipment will be easy. As Air Force have shown also has excellent SAR and ISR capability, good range and night/bad weather capable.

Naval AW139s are an interesting idea. In theory, they should be able to sustain at least a lightweight torpedo (LWT) and radar (the latter can guide ship-based AShM).

You'd need a new Sea King-class helicopter (e.g., AW101) to drop C-802A-like AShM, but AW139s should be able to fire smaller/lighter missiles (good for deprecating the opposing ship's radars/sensors).

*sigh* ... wouldn't it be nice if the PN, PA and PAF could settle on a single type for the utility role, and then co-produce it with a willing partner (like Turkey, which invited us to work with them on the T625).

 

[Yasser76]

Naval AW139s are an interesting idea. In theory, they should be able to sustain at least a lightweight torpedo (LWT) and radar (the latter can guide ship-based AShM).

You'd need a new Sea King-class helicopter (e.g., AW101) to drop C-802A-like AShM, but AW139s should be able to fire smaller/lighter missiles (good for deprecating the opposing ship's radars/sensors).

*sigh* ... wouldn't it be nice if the PN, PA and PAF could settle on a single type for the utility role, and then co-produce it with a willing partner (like Turkey, which invited us to work with them on the T625).

Yes, in an ideal world if US had not messed us around something like Seahawk/Blackhawk/Pavehawk could have ideally fitted all 3 services. Failing that Sea and Army versions of Super Puma. Instead between all three services we have around 12 different types in service! :-( Ideally Army just needs 6 types (1 for training, 1 light transport, 1 medium transport, 1 heavy transport, 2 types of Gunship), Navy just two types (light and medium) and air force just two types (light and medium). No reason the light and medium types for all 3 services cannot be same basic airframes. Just like we used Aloutte III as basic light type for all three services.

 

[mehmeTcc]

Naval AW139s are an interesting idea. In theory, they should be able to sustain at least a lightweight torpedo (LWT) and radar (the latter can guide ship-based AShM).

You'd need a new Sea King-class helicopter (e.g., AW101) to drop C-802A-like AShM, but AW139s should be able to fire smaller/lighter missiles (good for deprecating the opposing ship's radars/sensors).

*sigh* ... wouldn't it be nice if the PN, PA and PAF could settle on a single type for the utility role, and then co-produce it with a willing partner (like Turkey, which invited us to work with them on the T625).

Why would you want to launch C-802 (a cruise missile) from a helicopter?

 

[Akh1112]

Why would you want to launch C-802 (a cruise missile) from a helicopter?

Its an AShM, helicopter launches are useful because Airborne radars can see a lot further than surface ones.