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Pakistan and Turkey to strengthen defence industry collaboration

Good move after all we need mutual cooperation in field of Tanks,SAM, and AFV for Army. And as we are hearing about cooperation of "ASLEAN" company for JF-17 Block 3 Avionics & ECM development or induction. and the most important we should start Mutual Development in Naval Field we must work on Corvette/Frigates as we heard about Milgem Corvette few years ago.For which PN is in Desperate need of these items.
 
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May 7, 2016 Bilal Khan -
Turkey and Pakistan agree to enhance defence industry ties


Last week, Pakistan and Turkey agreed to enhance their defence industry ties. The agreement was reached in Turkey during a visit by Lt. General (retired) Syed Muhammad Owais, Pakistan’s Secretary of Defence Production. The two sides also sought to explore possible joint-production initiatives.

Comment and Analysis

For the past 10 years, Turkey and Pakistan have built a steady foundation for extensive cooperation in a number of different areas related to defence and security. Not only have the two sides exchanged goods, but they have regularly trained with another in exercises (e.g. Anatolian Eagle and Indus Viper), but the two sides have also signed onto a bilateral pilot training and exchange program in 2015.

The Turkish defence industry is vast and competent, and as such, it offers the Pakistani armed forces many possible areas of armament acquisition and development.

At one point, the Pakistan Army was interested in the T-129 ATAK dedicated attack helicopter, but high costs and America’s unwillingness to pass export clearances for the powerplant pushed the Army away (to acquire the AH-1Z Viper from the U.S. directly). In recent months, there have been reports of the Pakistan Army being interested in the Otokar Altay main battle tank (MBT), though it may be more eager to acquire some of the Altay’s subsystems (e.g. active protection suite) for use on the al-Khalid and possibly forthcoming Haider MBT programs. The Pakistan Army also previously bought towed howitzers from the Turkish armament manufacturer MKEK.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) could also tap into Aselsan’s expertise in developing and producing electronic warfare (EW) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) solutions for support on the JF-17. Perhaps the PAF could even consider acquiring the ASELPOD to meet the JF-17’s air-to-ground mission needs. Roketsan could be consulted for sourcing laser-guided bomb (LGB) kits for Mk-81 and Mk-82 series general purpose bombs (GPB). TUBITAK SAGE’s HGK precision-guided bomb (PGB) kit for Mk-84 GPBs could be an option as well. Pakistan could consider the Cirit laser-guided rocket and Mizraak anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) as well. Overall, there are no shortage of options in the area equipping Pakistan’s aerial assets.

There are even numerous air defence options as well. For example, Pakistan could consider the Roketsan Hisar-series of short/medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAM). The PAF could potentially take a look at the Aselsan Kalkan 3D phased-array radar as a possible option to replace its ageing Siemens Mobile Pulse-Doppler Radars (MPDR).

The Pakistan Navy presently operates two MRTP-33 fast attack crafts (FAC). In the late 2000s and early 2010s, the Pakistan Navy had sought to acquire a corvette design from Turkey, but severe economic issues forced the Navy step back from the idea. In place of the corvettes, the Navy began inducting Azmat-class FAC from China. In the long-term, the Pakistan Navy could potentially revisit the idea of exploring Turkish corvettes. If and when the Pakistan Navy is able to place new generation multi-mission frigates into its acquisition pipeline, it could consider acquiring command and control as well as combat management systems from Havelsan (e.g. GENESIS).

Although Pakistan has many options it could pursue in Turkey, tight funding will limit the extent Pakistan can engage with Turkey. At present, Pakistan’s focus will be on achieving existing operational objectives, such as imbuing the JF-17 with credible precision-strike capabilities. As a result, we may see a focus (at least in the short-term) on specific – and comparatively lower-cost – solutions, such as the ASELPOD and potentially air-to-ground munitions from Roketsan and TUBITAK SAGE.

Besides direct acquisitions, Pakistan could greatly benefit from Turkey in the area of improving its own defence industry, specifically in terms of upgrading existing facilities, such as Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), Karachi Engineering & Shipyards Works (KSEW), Air Weapons Complex (AWC), etc. Through its technology transfer agreements as well as recent indigenous developments, Turkey has incredible exposure to recent developmental processes in the West. While not tangible like specific systems, cooperation in the form of learning, transferring expertise, assisting with manufacturing and assembly processes will offer considerable benefit to Pakistan in the form of long-term cost savings, enhanced efficiency, and ability to produce more complex systems.

- See more at: http://quwa.org/2016/05/07/turkey-pakistan-agree-enhance-defence-industry-ties/#sthash.3em2ra2p.dpuf






 
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Daily News
May 7, 2016 Bilal Khan -
Turkey and Pakistan agree to enhance defence industry ties


Last week, Pakistan and Turkey agreed to enhance their defence industry ties. The agreement was reached in Turkey during a visit by Lt. General (retired) Syed Muhammad Owais, Pakistan’s Secretary of Defence Production. The two sides also sought to explore possible joint-production initiatives.

Comment and Analysis

For the past 10 years, Turkey and Pakistan have built a steady foundation for extensive cooperation in a number of different areas related to defence and security. Not only have the two sides exchanged goods, but they have regularly trained with another in exercises (e.g. Anatolian Eagle and Indus Viper), but the two sides have also signed onto a bilateral pilot training and exchange program in 2015.

The Turkish defence industry is vast and competent, and as such, it offers the Pakistani armed forces many possible areas of armament acquisition and development.

At one point, the Pakistan Army was interested in the T-129 ATAK dedicated attack helicopter, but high costs and America’s unwillingness to pass export clearances for the powerplant pushed the Army away (to acquire the AH-1Z Viper from the U.S. directly). In recent months, there have been reports of the Pakistan Army being interested in the Otokar Altay main battle tank (MBT), though it may be more eager to acquire some of the Altay’s subsystems (e.g. active protection suite) for use on the al-Khalid and possibly forthcoming Haider MBT programs. The Pakistan Army also previously bought towed howitzers from the Turkish armament manufacturer MKEK.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) could also tap into Aselsan’s expertise in developing and producing electronic warfare (EW) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) solutions for support on the JF-17. Perhaps the PAF could even consider acquiring the ASELPOD to meet the JF-17’s air-to-ground mission needs. Roketsan could be consulted for sourcing laser-guided bomb (LGB) kits for Mk-81 and Mk-82 series general purpose bombs (GPB). TUBITAK SAGE’s HGK precision-guided bomb (PGB) kit for Mk-84 GPBs could be an option as well. Pakistan could consider the Cirit laser-guided rocket and Mizraak anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) as well. Overall, there are no shortage of options in the area equipping Pakistan’s aerial assets.

There are even numerous air defence options as well. For example, Pakistan could consider the Roketsan Hisar-series of short/medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAM). The PAF could potentially take a look at the Aselsan Kalkan 3D phased-array radar as a possible option to replace its ageing Siemens Mobile Pulse-Doppler Radars (MPDR).

The Pakistan Navy presently operates two MRTP-33 fast attack crafts (FAC). In the late 2000s and early 2010s, the Pakistan Navy had sought to acquire a corvette design from Turkey, but severe economic issues forced the Navy step back from the idea. In place of the corvettes, the Navy began inducting Azmat-class FAC from China. In the long-term, the Pakistan Navy could potentially revisit the idea of exploring Turkish corvettes. If and when the Pakistan Navy is able to place new generation multi-mission frigates into its acquisition pipeline, it could consider acquiring command and control as well as combat management systems from Havelsan (e.g. GENESIS).

Although Pakistan has many options it could pursue in Turkey, tight funding will limit the extent Pakistan can engage with Turkey. At present, Pakistan’s focus will be on achieving existing operational objectives, such as imbuing the JF-17 with credible precision-strike capabilities. As a result, we may see a focus (at least in the short-term) on specific – and comparatively lower-cost – solutions, such as the ASELPOD and potentially air-to-ground munitions from Roketsan and TUBITAK SAGE.

Besides direct acquisitions, Pakistan could greatly benefit from Turkey in the area of improving its own defence industry, specifically in terms of upgrading existing facilities, such as Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), Karachi Engineering & Shipyards Works (KSEW), Air Weapons Complex (AWC), etc. Through its technology transfer agreements as well as recent indigenous developments, Turkey has incredible exposure to recent developmental processes in the West. While not tangible like specific systems, cooperation in the form of learning, transferring expertise, assisting with manufacturing and assembly processes will offer considerable benefit to Pakistan in the form of long-term cost savings, enhanced efficiency, and ability to produce more complex systems.

- See more at: http://quwa.org/2016/05/07/turkey-pakistan-agree-enhance-defence-industry-ties/#sthash.3em2ra2p.dpuf


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Turkey and Pakistan agree to enhance defence industry ties



There are even numerous air defence options as well. For example, Pakistan could consider the Roketsan Hisar-series of short/medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAM). The PAF could potentially take a look at the Aselsan Kalkan 3D phased-array radar as a possible option to replace its ageing Siemens Mobile Pulse-Doppler Radars (MPDR).

For update!

Aselsan is planning to reveal much capable variant of Kalkan radar called Kalkan-G in following year

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Besides, AKKOR like hard and soft kill system is a must for modern armies so The countries willing to protect their strategic land assets against destruction effect of ATGM, Kynetic energy modern munitions and classic rockets should try to find some solutions to reach them.



Akkor succesfully hit a RPG munition in trials done in 2010.

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For update!

Aselsan is planning to reveal much capable variant of Kalkan radar called Kalkan-G in following year

MpXNA1%202.jpg


Besides, AKKOR like hard and soft kill system is a must for modern armies so The countries willing to protect their strategic land assets against destruction effect of ATGM, Kynetic energy modern munitions and classic rockets should try to find some solutions to reach them.



Akkor succesfully hit a RPG munition in trials done in 2010.

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You guys are making impressive progress. Just stay focused and stay on this course. Big arms vendors will try to sabotage as they will feel threatened. Watch out. One day you will be self sufficient.
 
Aselsan new radar projects Pakistan and Turkey can collaborate !

-Gokturk-3 SAR radar for satellite
-F-16 SAR Pod Radar project (~2017)
-Air Traffic radar
-Serdar 4M Coastal watch radar
-Serdar 7M Coastal watch radar
-Naval 3D search radar (Hazar)
-Kalkan-G Air Defence Radar (2017)
-Counter Battary radar (2019) (Cobra equivalent)
-Early Warning Long range Air Defense Radar projects -600km range (EIRS) (2019)
-CAFRAD APAR radar complex for TF-2000 frigate 500km range (~2019)
-F-16 AESA (2018-2019)
-TF-X AESA (2022-23)



More info with photos : https://defence.pk/threads/turkish-radar-ew-programs.77790/page-21

In the long-term, the Pakistan Navy could potentially revisit the idea of exploring Turkish corvettes. If and when the Pakistan Navy is able to place new generation multi-mission frigates into its acquisition pipeline, it could consider acquiring command and control as well as combat management systems from Havelsan


China got many Pakistani naval tenders such as corvette and assault boat but If Pakistan want to acquire frigate like platforms, The Turkey's new frigate project will always be a good option !


Istanbul Class Frigate:

-Design activities are completed !
-SSM is planning to launch the tender with a complete design at first half of this year
-Construction of three Istanbul class frigates will be done with a joint venture established by min. 3 Turkish shipyard.
-Construction of three vessel will be initiated simultaneously and entered into TN inventory simultaneously.

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We can buy lot of stuff from Turkey specially Tanks Artillery and IFV and also Scopes and Night vision stuff and for Navy I hope Pakistan goes for Istanbul class ship soon and also consider TF-2000 for Air Defence role. Finally I think we would become partners in TFX project.

We don't tanks,NVGs or IFVs.. We already produce them..

We need more cooperation on shipbuilding and avionics ..
 
Daily News
May 7, 2016 Bilal Khan -
Turkey and Pakistan agree to enhance defence industry ties


Last week, Pakistan and Turkey agreed to enhance their defence industry ties. The agreement was reached in Turkey during a visit by Lt. General (retired) Syed Muhammad Owais, Pakistan’s Secretary of Defence Production. The two sides also sought to explore possible joint-production initiatives.

Comment and Analysis

For the past 10 years, Turkey and Pakistan have built a steady foundation for extensive cooperation in a number of different areas related to defence and security. Not only have the two sides exchanged goods, but they have regularly trained with another in exercises (e.g. Anatolian Eagle and Indus Viper), but the two sides have also signed onto a bilateral pilot training and exchange program in 2015.

The Turkish defence industry is vast and competent, and as such, it offers the Pakistani armed forces many possible areas of armament acquisition and development.

At one point, the Pakistan Army was interested in the T-129 ATAK dedicated attack helicopter, but high costs and America’s unwillingness to pass export clearances for the powerplant pushed the Army away (to acquire the AH-1Z Viper from the U.S. directly). In recent months, there have been reports of the Pakistan Army being interested in the Otokar Altay main battle tank (MBT), though it may be more eager to acquire some of the Altay’s subsystems (e.g. active protection suite) for use on the al-Khalid and possibly forthcoming Haider MBT programs. The Pakistan Army also previously bought towed howitzers from the Turkish armament manufacturer MKEK.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) could also tap into Aselsan’s expertise in developing and producing electronic warfare (EW) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) solutions for support on the JF-17. Perhaps the PAF could even consider acquiring the ASELPOD to meet the JF-17’s air-to-ground mission needs. Roketsan could be consulted for sourcing laser-guided bomb (LGB) kits for Mk-81 and Mk-82 series general purpose bombs (GPB). TUBITAK SAGE’s HGK precision-guided bomb (PGB) kit for Mk-84 GPBs could be an option as well. Pakistan could consider the Cirit laser-guided rocket and Mizraak anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) as well. Overall, there are no shortage of options in the area equipping Pakistan’s aerial assets.

There are even numerous air defence options as well. For example, Pakistan could consider the Roketsan Hisar-series of short/medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAM). The PAF could potentially take a look at the Aselsan Kalkan 3D phased-array radar as a possible option to replace its ageing Siemens Mobile Pulse-Doppler Radars (MPDR).

The Pakistan Navy presently operates two MRTP-33 fast attack crafts (FAC). In the late 2000s and early 2010s, the Pakistan Navy had sought to acquire a corvette design from Turkey, but severe economic issues forced the Navy step back from the idea. In place of the corvettes, the Navy began inducting Azmat-class FAC from China. In the long-term, the Pakistan Navy could potentially revisit the idea of exploring Turkish corvettes. If and when the Pakistan Navy is able to place new generation multi-mission frigates into its acquisition pipeline, it could consider acquiring command and control as well as combat management systems from Havelsan (e.g. GENESIS).

Although Pakistan has many options it could pursue in Turkey, tight funding will limit the extent Pakistan can engage with Turkey. At present, Pakistan’s focus will be on achieving existing operational objectives, such as imbuing the JF-17 with credible precision-strike capabilities. As a result, we may see a focus (at least in the short-term) on specific – and comparatively lower-cost – solutions, such as the ASELPOD and potentially air-to-ground munitions from Roketsan and TUBITAK SAGE.

Besides direct acquisitions, Pakistan could greatly benefit from Turkey in the area of improving its own defence industry, specifically in terms of upgrading existing facilities, such as Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), Karachi Engineering & Shipyards Works (KSEW), Air Weapons Complex (AWC), etc. Through its technology transfer agreements as well as recent indigenous developments, Turkey has incredible exposure to recent developmental processes in the West. While not tangible like specific systems, cooperation in the form of learning, transferring expertise, assisting with manufacturing and assembly processes will offer considerable benefit to Pakistan in the form of long-term cost savings, enhanced efficiency, and ability to produce more complex systems.

- See more at: http://quwa.org/2016/05/07/turkey-pakistan-agree-enhance-defence-industry-ties/#sthash.3em2ra2p.dpuf













There is one important thing to mention that Pakistan can improve its defense industry up to an extent when it comes to direct acquisition from Turkish defense industry . Turkey is a member of Nuclear supplier group (NSG) Turkey enjoys the privilege of developing defense system with western companies and further more it can also get the right of manufacturing advance sub system . Pakistan on the other hand does not possess anything like that . For Pakistan defense industry when it comes to developing cutting edge technology Pakistan should enhance more cooperation with Russia & China . Chinese defense industry is already on a move in developing cutting edge technology which fulfill the gap between Western system defense budget of China is already the second biggest in the world approx 200 Billion dollar . This year 1000 companies including some western companies like Safran decided to work Chinese defense Industry . In a few decades there would be only two countries USA & China setting new standard for the next generation technologies the arms race would remains between the two countries
 
Sorry mate, Turkish products are over expensive for the capability they bring. Time and again it has been proven that their products are too pricey. Nothing will come out of big talks, as has been the case for so many years. The T-129 still has plenty of issues that PAA pilots and experts found out upon flying the thing. The airframe is shaky at higher altitudes and speeds, the engine is laggy. There are several issues with ATAK, and the Turkish defense industry. That's why you don't see them taking a bigger share of the market despite having so called high quality systems.
 
Sorry mate, Turkish products are over expensive for the capability they bring. Time and again it has been proven that their products are too pricey. Nothing will come out of big talks, as has been the case for so many years. The T-129 still has plenty of issues that PAA pilots and experts found out upon flying the thing. The airframe is shaky at higher altitudes and speeds, the engine is laggy. There are several issues with ATAK, and the Turkish defense industry. That's why you don't see them taking a bigger share of the market despite having so called high quality systems.

I remember reading a article in Turkish media about Pakistan trying to buy military jeeps(not sure which one, but I believe OEM was British (?)) from turkey, but after the Pakistanis found out that the price of the jeep the Turkish authorities had quoted was much higher than what the OEM had quoted, Pakistanis decided to go directly to the OEM for buying.
 

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