PAF Vs IAF Command and Control Systems

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  1. silent hawk
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    This thread has now become a comprehensive resource for all those who want to know about PAF and IAF Command and Control Systems. I thank all contributors. For ease of use I shall be giving links to the most interesting posts on the first page. I thank all contributors for the data provided.

    Command and Control Systems are an essential element of any War Fighting Machinery.(If you have less time the essential elements are in bold)


    This is a fairly old article and I hope that posts in this thread would update the status of the Command and Control Systems of both Air Forces.

    As per this article PAFs system seems to be more hierical and advanced than it's IAF counterpart. What are your views please?


    Range of Current Indian SAM Systems
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems.html#post1299429

    Map of Chinese Airfields
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems.html#post1300081

    Types of jammers
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-2.html#post1300227

    IAF AFNET
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-2.html#post1300729

    PAF TPS-77
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-2.html#post1302211

    IAF Satellite, Aerostat and Greenpine
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-2.html#post1302249

    IAF Rajendra, Rohni and Thales Radars
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-3.html#post1302272

    IAF Phalcon AEWC
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-3.html#post1302278

    PAF MPDR
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-3.html#post1302446

    IAF INDRA I and INDRA II
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-4.html#post1302459

    IAF Satellite Program
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-4.html#post1302639

    Electronic Warfare and Radar Systems
    Electronic Warfare & Radar Systems (Military Nuts)

    PAF VERA
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-5.html#post1302714

    PAF C4I System
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-5.html#post1303685

    Pakistan Satellite Program
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-5.html#post1303788

    More on PAF VERA
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-6.html#post1303798

    IAF Master A
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-6.html#post1303878

    IAF Vision 2020
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-6.html#post1303885

    IAF 3D Central Acquisition Radar
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-6.html#post1303892

    Indian Radar Systems
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/52874-indian-radar-systems.html

    IAF Command Structure
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-7.html#post1304118

    Yet more on VERA
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-7.html#post1304354

    Comparision of PAF and IAF Low Level Sensors
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-9.html#post1304531

    IAF Ashlesha radar, Bharani-2 radar and Bharani-1 radar
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-9.html#post1304669

    Comparision of PAF and IAF High level sensors
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-9.html#post1305712

    IAF Rajendra
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-9.html#post1305730

    PAF Sells C4I system to Bangladesh
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-10.html#post1306332

    IAF Link 11 and IACCS Block Diagram
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/82343-paf-vs-iaf-command-control-systems-14.html#post1306743
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    You love to see this vs threads right? anyway of it is informative, no probs.
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    Yes..an old article with vintage facts..A lot of upgradation is going on with help of israel and Russia..Not everything is made available in public..
    However for Teasers- Swordfish with 1500 Km. Range in 2011..followed by a radar of much longer detection range in 5-6 years which will cost a bomb to procure..
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    Nice but what about Integration. As mentioned in the article PAF has an Air Defence Command where all aircrafts can be monitored and controlled. This means that the PAF Chief of Air Staff has the capability to centrally control the air war.

    Does the Indian Air Chief also have such a system?
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    Sorry..But cant provide any detail here..However keep one thing in mind we do not lag in any field especially with the kind of upgradation our armed forces are going .
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    Forget about Radar ranges, here is the ranges of Indian current SAM systems.

    [​IMG]

    And we are filling the gaps so quickly and shifting from point defense to missile shield defense for our airspace.

    Rgds,
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    Do you mean that the PAF Chief has to/is able to sit at a central console or keyboard and push the buttons to control the air war?
    That is an interesting concept.

    The IAF Chief does not have to do it, he attends to more important things.
    The IAF has five operational commands to command an area which is far larger than PAF has to deal with. They have their AD systems which are interlinked/integrated to each other. At the same time interconnected to the IA's AD systems as well as the CD organisation nation-wide. And there is a team of dedicated AD-tasked staff to carry that out.
    Hope that helps answer your query.
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    Thanks for this very informative post. I like this kinda post rather then india has 47% people under poverty line or pakistan is terror hub.
    this article is old but modernizations just started so its fairly gives the picture about status of both air forces. it seems pakistani command and control has more modern radars as compared to india.
    i would interested to know about e-jamming resistance of radars. what are the systems which are very prone to jamming and who has better jamming electronics. what is current ability of nato to jam these radars.
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    ^^ How will you Jam a ground based Radar?

    In order to jam it, you need to come at least to the range of your system, which can be done thru fighter air crafts, which in turn could not carry jamming equipment of huge radars.

    Regards,
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    This image can't be true! if it is true depiction of Indian Airdefense thn I am surprised to see almost not air defense/SAM systems along China border.
    This also shows how much focused Indian Defense extabishment is on Pakistan irrespective of the rhetoric tht their defense is focused on China not Pakistan!

    Regarding Radar Systems i think Pakistan needs to update it Radar systems with effective Long Range Radars--PAF should be able to see any jet/missile taking off from as far as Indore/Dehli/Mumbay.

    Regarding SAMs I think if Pakistan has FT2000 or other long range SAM with atleast 8 systems will be enough for our needs.

    Moreover ADC center only 10 meter deep is not safe!
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    If you look at the map closely, you can see blue dots in our north east area, which is point defense systems, aimed to defend our key assets.

    Moreover, unlike the public perception, China too has hardly any bases near our borders,(but now they are developing). their main bases are at far east.

    That is the reason why we are inducting Akkash missile systems massively in order to fill the gaps in north east and to replace old Pachora systems with newer systems.

    Rgds,
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    No, it is not very correct. It does not reflect reality- esp the current picture.
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    Do keep in mind that we were very much Pakistan centric a decade ago...most of the assets were build on the western border. However now eastern border is given its due importance....Also due to the geography there are more openings on the western border as compared to eastern....
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    Moreover, here the map Chinese air fields..nothing near Indian border
    http://*****************/wa/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/chinese-airfields.gif
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    This is specifically why I have started this thread. In the PAF we have a preception that our automation system is superior. Time to find out the facts. Rockstar has already made some valuable contributions. Soon hopefully we shall know more.