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Operation Moshtarak Thread: Afghan flag hoisted over Marjah

this means the people there can be melted easily, can you be more stupid than that, talk about hypocrasiy ehh

Bring just one scientific report that says that ever on Gods Green & Barren Earth we ever had a temp nearing 80-90 C & i will walk out
Come on

PS: Don't say me angles will come down to raise the Temperature & clouds will come over Taliban while ISAF will melt with heat

OK ,do this experiment yourself , close the doors of your car and park it under the sun for just one hour in peak summer ,then measure internal temperature , you will get the fact.

Electrical panel installed without any shed should comply 80Deg C + specifications.
 
Coming summer will become hell for ISAF marines carrying 60 kg extra load and wearing bulletproof jackets, 90+Deg C Temp will roast them in desert of Helmond.:D

They need soldiers who can bear temperature of desert .Green card soldiers from europe could not fight in Afghanistan.:lol:

My uncle surved in Afghanistan, he's from one of the coldest places on earth, yet his Spetsnaz unit was able to take out 250 Mujas with just 40 men, and no casualties may i add. This means that the Americans should also have no problems esspecially when US troop have the opportunity to train in HOT desert climates of the South West United States.
 
My uncle surved in Afghanistan, he's from one of the coldest places on earth, yet his Spetsnaz unit was able to take out 250 Mujas with just 40 men, and no casualties may i add. This means that the Americans should also have no problems esspecially when US troop have the opportunity to train in HOT desert climates of the South West United States.

What about green card soldiers motivation level , how you can improve it?

US is inducting soldiers from poor europian countries for Green Card


Green Card Recruits Get a Raw Deal

by Katherine Stapp

The U.S. government says Staff Sgt. Camilo Mejia is nothing more than a deserter who disobeyed direct orders to return to his army unit in Iraq.

Mejia does not deny that he refused to go back. He says he witnessed abuse and mistreatment of prisoners at a detention camp outside the Baghdad airport, including mock executions and sleep deprivation tactics like banging sledgehammers on the walls of cells.

His claims took on added credibility in light of the ongoing revelations of abuse, including torture, at Abu Ghraib and other detention centers in Iraq, as well as at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba, which houses hundreds of detainees captured during the U.S. "war on terrorism" in Afghanistan.

"It was not speculative that he felt forced to participate in war crimes," said Todd Ensign, one of Mejia's attorneys. "He was there for five months, seeing these things first-hand. He had a duty under international law not to return to the Gulf."

But in a twist, Mejia, a Costa Rican citizen, also argues that under an 1851 treaty between his homeland and the United States, he cannot be forced to perform compulsory military service beyond eight years.

And as one of the 40,000 foreign nationals in the U.S. military, his case has drawn attention to a U.S. government program that offers the lure of citizenship in exchange for military service.

"Poor people are always desperate," said Rodolfo Acuna, a professor of Chicano Studies at California State University at Northridge. "That is why they sell their body parts, or have them taken from them. As the war proceeds, there will be more recruitment from minority and poor white areas. Opportunity in the U.S. is limited, making the service an alternative for the poor."

These efforts do not end at the border. News accounts describe military recruiters traveling to poor border towns in Mexico and indigenous communities in Canada to entice people with U.S. green cards (permanent resident status) to join the army.

And under the Hispanic Access Initiative, recruiters are encouraged to target colleges and high schools with predominantly Latino students – many of whom may be illegal. They can even obtain access to students' addresses and phone numbers, and are free to contact them at home unless parents object.

Mejia was in his ninth year when he came home to Miami Beach on a 14-day leave and decided that he could not in good conscience continue to serve in Iraq.

However, the soldier's arguments failed to sway the military jury that on May 21 found the 28-year-old guilty of desertion and sentenced him to a year in the stockade, demotion in rank to private, and docking of his pay.

"After eight years, foreign nationals cannot serve unless they're in the citizenship process," Ensign told IPS. "Camilo says his commanders tried to pressure him into applying for citizenship, which made him wonder what was going on."

"He was really being held illegally, and this is another prong in his defense," he said. "We're considering filing in federal court, and the Costa Rican government may get involved."

Mejia is the first soldier to turn himself in to military authorities after refusing to serve in Iraq, but he may not be the last. So far, an estimated 600 U.S. soldiers have gone absent without leave (AWOL) rather than be sent overseas.

Critics say that once in the service, non-citizens have little hope of advancement, since they cannot be made officers or achieve any position requiring a security clearance.

"Non-citizens are more unlikely to be in the Air Force, Navy and support services, more unlikely to have a good education, so they'll be on the front lines. The military knows that their parents don't vote, so no complaints. It is very cynical," Acuna added.

Still, some 13,000 recruits had applied for expedited citizenship as of February, according to government figures.

Some of the very first casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom were immigrants seeking citizenship. José Antonio Gutiérrez, a Guatemalan who crossed illegally into the United States at the age of 11 and later joined the Marines, was the second soldier killed in the war.

José Angel Garibay emigrated from Mexico to California as a young child, and hoped to be a career soldier. His quest for full legal status ended in March 2003, when he died during heavy fighting in Nasiriyah, Iraq.

Both men were granted posthumous citizenship. But a bill that would provide citizenship benefits to spouses, parents and children of enlistees killed overseas has been languishing in Congress since last year.

The Census Bureau estimates that eight to nine million illegal aliens live in the United States, though other sources say the number is much higher. About 33 million legal residents (12 percent of the U.S. population) are foreign-born.

Exchanging citizenship for military service is not new; during the Persian Gulf War, the Vietnam War and other conflicts, some 100,000 non-citizens became eligible for accelerated U.S. citizenship.

In July 2002, President George W. Bush shortened the three-year waiting time for qualified non-citizens on active duty in the "war on terrorism," allowing them to apply immediately upon enlisting.

But as U.S. casualties pile up, more immigrants may think twice about the price of legal status.

Mejia continues to speak publicly against what he views as an "oil-driven" conflict.

"When you look at the war, and you look at the reasons that took us to war, and you don't find that any of the things that we were told that we're going to war for turned out to be true; when you don't find there are weapons of mass destruction, and when you don't find that there was a link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, and you see that you're not helping the people and the people don't want you there," he added on a recent television news show.

"To me, there's no military contract and no military duty that's going to justify being a part of that war."

(Inter Press Service)
 
Coming summer will become hell for ISAF marines carrying 60 kg extra load and wearing bulletproof jackets, 90+Deg C Temp will roast them in desert of Helmond.:D

They need soldiers who can bear temperature of desert .Green card soldiers from europe could not fight in Afghanistan.:lol:

After 8 years, how come now you are thinking of this temprature problem? it looks like you and your killer buddies are running out of other options and only have a eye for a temp rise to defeat ANA and nato.
 
80-90 + deg temp is under direct sun light , i have to educate you also:D

You are really starting to make a fool of yourself Fundamentalist. you have absolutely no concept of what you are talking about. The U.S., British, and French have long experience in desert warfare.

Your in danger of being another Fanboi.
 
You are really starting to make a fool of yourself Fundamentalist. you have absolutely no concept of what you are talking about. The U.S., British, and French have long experience in desert warfare.

Your in danger of being another Fanboi.

UK and German no doubt have experience of desert war in WW2. After that operation desert storm was the only operation held but proved one sided game ended within few weeks.

I am not expert of Gurrilla war strategies just wanted to see your expert opinion.:D
 
After 8 years, how come now you are thinking of this temprature problem? it looks like you and your killer buddies are running out of other options and only have a eye for a temp rise to defeat ANA and nato.

In gurrllia war following factor play major role

1.Environment
2.Congo(fighting spirit)
3 Experience

In all these three important areas ISAF is lacking far behind the Talaban Mujahdeen, Hence chances of their success is very low.

Heavy weapons and air support are not much important in Gurrilla war fare.
 
In gurrllia war following factor play major role

1.Environment
2.Congo(fighting spirit)
3 Experience

In all these three important areas ISAF is lacking far behind the Talaban Mujahdeen, Hence chances of their success is very low.

Heavy weapons and air support are not much important in Gurrilla war fare.

Those who are fighting a war are all profesional people being trained in extreme conditions, dont worry our mujahideen will be defeated eventually. Didnt we see that PA defeated Mujahideen of Pakistan in Swat?
 
Six Nato soldiers have died in Afghanistan's Helmand province so far in the current joint Nato-Afghan offensive in the region.

A US marine general says his forces now have control of the main roads and markets in the Taliban stronghold of Marjah. But fighting is still raging in other parts.

Al Jazeera's James Bays sat down with Mohammad Golab Mangal, the governor of Helmand province, to discuss the joint assault. The governor says that, so far, the operation has been a success.
Al Jazeera English - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - Helmand offensive 'a success'
 
OK ,do this experiment yourself , close the doors of your car and park it under the sun for just one hour in peak summer ,then measure internal temperature , you will get the fact.

Electrical panel installed without any shed should comply 80Deg C + specifications.

another stupid hallucinated, un educated & illiterate comment by Funda-mental-ist

First you talked about temperature in direct sunlight, you yourself said that temperature in direct sunlight can reach above 90-C, you bring me just one scientific proof that where on God's Earth temperature reached 80-90C & i will walk out

now you have reached the temperature in car, looool
even inside cars the temperature cannot reach 80-90C knowing that there is something which exists by the name of air conditioner, I challenge you to prove me wrong
 
Pakistan concern at Afghanistan offensive

Pakistan has raised fresh concerns to the US about Afghan refugees and fighters fleeing across the border to escape a major US-led offensive in neighbouring Afghanistan.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani raised the matter in talks with US special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, during talks in Islamabad, his office said.

The operation has been described as the biggest assault since the 2001 US-led invasion.

The offensive is targeting a major drug-producing area in Helmand province, which borders Pakistan's insurgency-rife Baluchistan province.

Northwest Pakistan is a stronghold of Taliban and al-Qaeda-linked fighters, hundreds of whom fled the 2001 US-led invasion of Afghanistan.

Mr Gilani expressed hope that 'Pakistan's concerns on account of spillover of refugees and militants from Helmand into southwestern Baluchistan and the northwest will be kept in view by the US and ISAF forces,' his office said.

He called for 'enhanced coordination and cooperation' with Pakistan's armed forces to deal with the situation.

Pakistan and the US are scheduled to hold talks later this year to discuss and bolster cooperation further in security and counter-terrorism.

Mr Gilani underlined 'the imperative of the strategic dialogue for building trust to remove the misperceptions or misgivings prevalent on both sides'.

RTÉ News: Pakistan concern at Afghanistan offensive
 
NATO briefs Pakistan on region

BRUSSELS, Feb. 18 (UPI) -- Islamabad agrees that coordination with NATO and Afghanistan is a vital way to bring security to the region, the Pakistani foreign minister said in Brussels.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi visited NATO headquarters in Brussels to meet with Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

NATO, in a statement, said Qureshi and allied members agreed that the relationship extends beyond an operational agenda. It includes, NATO said, a "common strategic goal" of a peaceful Afghanistan run by a democratic government.

Washington military planners are in close coordination with their Pakistani counterparts regarding operational plans in Afghanistan.

NATO said it recognized Pakistan's commitment to security with its support for the Afghan mission and its willingness to take on militants inside its borders. Pakistan launched a military offensive in the volatile border regions in October.

Both sides noted that security in Afghanistan was linked to peace in Pakistan, something Washington stressed when it rolled out its new Afghan war strategy in December.

Military cooperation, meanwhile, between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO allies had progressed through a trilateral commission and through border coordination centers, NATO added.

NATO said it looked forward to a "deepening cooperation" with the government in Pakistan.
 
Those who are fighting a war are all profesional people being trained in extreme conditions, dont worry our mujahideen will be defeated eventually. Didnt we see that PA defeated Mujahideen of Pakistan in Swat?

How PA defeated TTP in SWAT?

1. Environment & Experience


Our soldiers (SSG) & Punjab Regment well trained in same environment and mostly units stationed in these area from last sixty years.TTP have little experience two or three years.

2. Fighting Spirit & Local political support.

TTP killed local elders , tribel leaders so they lost their local support , PA moral become high due to their unislamic actions ie bombing the mosques and killing religious clarics, PA fight with high moral and full support of Pakistani nation finally TTP defeated.

Better campare apple with apple:lol:
 
another stupid hallucinated, un educated & illiterate comment by Funda-mental-ist

First you talked about temperature in direct sunlight, you yourself said that temperature in direct sunlight can reach above 90-C, you bring me just one scientific proof that where on God's Earth temperature reached 80-90C & i will walk out

now you have reached the temperature in car, looool
even inside cars the temperature cannot reach 80-90C knowing that there is something which exists by the name of air conditioner, I challenge you to prove me wrong

Again you started personal attacks indication of your weakness.

When you engage in discussion better learn to behave in positive way and be reasonable.
 
How PA defeated TTP in SWAT?

1. Environment & Experience


Our soldiers (SSG) & Punjab Regment well trained in same environment and mostly units stationed in these area from last sixty years.TTP have little experience two or three years.

2. Fighting Spirit & Local political support.

TTP killed local elders , tribel leaders so they lost their local support , PA moral become high due to their unislamic actions ie bombing the mosques and killing religious clarics, PA fight with high moral and full support of Pakistani nation finally TTP defeated.

Better campare apple with apple:lol:

This is apple to apple, your mujahideen and our mujahideen. PA a regular army and NATO/ANA(Although new) are also regular armies. You should remember that the coalition forces are strong regular armies being trained under extreme conditions, they are not people like you and me sitting in comfy in cananda and else where and talking nonsense from our keyboards. secondly they have gained enough experience about every sngle thing in the area and are well aware of it, dont you think 9 years is a very long time to learn your lessons and gain experience? Secondly paksitani army havent defeated the Mujahideen in Swat fully, the PA is having control in main areas, but outskirt of Swat is with the Mujahideen of yours. they simply melted away and will come back.

Look at this report from Swat:

The last time I was here in the Swat valley the Taliban were firmly in control.

It was just before the armies major offensive there and hope for a peace deal between the Taliban and the Government was high.

Within days of my visit the peace deal was in tatters.

Back then the drive into Swat was a tense one. Taliban checkpoints littered the picturesque valley and the turbaned guards had their AK 47 assault rifles on full display.

This time the journey is still tense, but main difference is the Taliban have been replaced by the green of Pakistan's army uniforms.

The army pushed the Taliban out but things are still not back to normal.

We have to pass through a number of army posts and at each one guns point towards our vehicle whilst searches are carried out.

The Taliban still have a presence here, many say they are on the outskirts of the valley waiting for the army to leave.


For the moment though the army is not going anywhere and it's presence is felt everywhere.

Some 30,000 troops are based here. Incredible when you realise the population of the valley is only 1.5 million.

That's not to suggest that the armies presence is all about heavy handed security, although that is a concern.

They are heavily involved in reconstruction. You might think that is noble until hear the locals joke "Well of course they are rebuilding ... it was them who bombed the hell out of us in the first place!"

Humour aside the thing that strikes you about the valley is how much work needs to be done.

Millions of dollars have been promised, but little work seems to be going on.

There are food queues at some shops, and many of Swat's residents still don't have access to electricity or running water.

But there is hope amongst all the fear ... at one sports ground young men with football shirts bearing names of such legend's as "Beckham" and "Ronaldo" kick around a ball and scream at the referee, much like young men do anywhere in the world...it was a heartening sight and one that filled this correspondent full of hope for Pakistan's future even as the armies armoured cars trundled by.

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