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Obama just made things much, much worse in the Ukraine - now Russia is ready for war

Something absolutely huge has just happened in Russia: the Russian Council of the Federation, the equivalent of the US Senate, has just UNANIMOUSLY passed a resolution allowing Putin to use Russian armed forces in the Ukraine, something the Duma had requested earlier. Before the vote took place, Russian senators said that Obama had threatened Russia, insulted the Russian people and that they demanded that Putin recall the Russian ambassador to the USA. I have never seen such a level of outrage and even rage in Russia as right now.
I hope and pray that Obama, and his advisers, stop and think carefully about their next step because make no mistake about that RUSSIA IS READY FOR WAR.
Now, the resolution of the Council of the Federation does not, repeat, NOT, mean that Russian forces will move into the Ukraine. Key Russian politicians have already spoken out and clarified that all this did was give the authority to Putin to use the armed forces, but that he was free to decide on whether this was needed or not.
Yet, this is a warning which should not be taken lightly. The way I see it, it not only means that Russia will act to protect Crimea, but that there is a real possibility that Russia could even use its armed forces elsewhere in the Ukraine and this is a huge development.
In the past days I have listened to many Russian experts, lots of talkshows, political statements, etc. and I was amazed by the fact that nobody even suggested that Russia should intervene militarily. Everybody agreed that Russia should support the Russian speakers in the Ukraine politically, financially, and morally. But nobody mentioned the use of force. So what happened since?
1) some kind of attack on Crimea overnight
and
2) Obama's absolutely imbecile and reckless threats against Russia
And this combination really set things off. Now, every single political party in the Council of the Federation and every single representative have voted to allow the use of Russian armed force. That would be the equivalent of the US President getting each member of the House and the Senate to vote to allow him to wage war.
I need to make something else clear here: no amounts of threats will stop the Kremlin now, all that will achieve is to get even more of the public reaction of support for Putin. And if some wannabe Napoleon or Hitler decided to try to use military forces against Russia the latter will go to war, no matter who is standing against it.
The USA and the EU have to realize that they dangerously overplayed their hand in the Ukraine: they have used neo-Nazis to overthrow a totally corrupt and incompetent President, but a legitimate one, in the process they have wrecked the Ukrainian state apparatus, by allowing so much wanton violence and racist slogans they have totally freaked out the eastern and southern Ukraine, and by either conducting or allowing an attack on Crimea they have threatened the Russian population and the Black Sea Fleet. That is yet another absolute and TOTAL DISASTER of the Obama Presidency. This man is as dishonest, as he is mediocre, arrogant and reckless and I hope and pray that the US Joint Chiefs are going to have a "frank exchange of views" with him as soon as possible. In an ideal world, the Congress should have impeached that despicable loser, but since they are even worse then him, it is for the JCS to act.
The Russians are united, they are really angry and they know that they have the military strength to defend their country and their people in the near abroad. I don't recommend anybody doubt their resolve because if Russia is attacked its response will be devastating: think 08.08.08 but on a vast scale.
I think that a disaster can, and will, be avoided. I even hope that the Russian military will not move into the Ukraine, but the US has to rein in both the insurgency government and the Fascists in the streets and tell them all to "cool it". The next necessary step is to spot the nationalists from trying to seize further buildings in the east and southern Ukraine. Last, but not least, the USA and Russia should get together to strike some deal which would allow the Ukraine to formally survive as a unitary state, but make it a de-facto confederation with a purely symbolic presidency.
The leaders of the USA and the EU have to now understand that they are playing with fire and that this is not a "Ukrainian" problem: now they themselves are at risk of ending up in a war against Russia, possibly a nuclear one. And even if they never admit to that publicly, they need to at least have to courage to admit to themselves that they themselves created that situation and that the responsibility for it is fully theirs.

The Saker
 
lol , its on for my baby obama :D

bring it on pal , dafuq are u gonna do about russia ?

@vostok



why bro ?

It doesn't seem professional, but, I've been looking at American media and it's horrible.

Same thing they do when they're anti Palestinian or anti Iranian, portray Russia as an aggressor and portray the people as if they're fighting against 'Putin the tyrant'. It's wording is designed to put the onus on Russia and to justify economic sanctions already.

Of course it also only gets information from Ukrainian opposition sources just like they did with Israel during the Israeli attack against Gaza they keep quoting Israeli officials rather than independently verify the facts.

I never seen such sheeple population in my life, just like the Egyptian people, the American people feed off this crap. :undecided:
 
It doesn't seem professional, but, I've been looking at American media and it's horrible.

Same thing they do when they're anti Palestinian or anti Iranian, portray Russia as an aggressor and portray the people as if they're fighting against 'Putin the tyrant'. It's wording is designed to put the onus on Russia and to justify economic sanctions already.

Of course it also only gets information from Ukrainian opposition sources just like they did with Israel during the Israeli attack against Gaza they keep quoting Israeli officials rather than independently verify the facts.

I never seen such sheeple population in my life, just like the Egyptian people, the American people feed off this crap. :undecided:

bless u brother
 
Ukraine issue is driven by Nationalistic interests.

A Speech by Obama one way or the other will not have that much impact.

Ukraine is to Russia what Canada is to the US.

Would the US tolerate any interference in Canadian matters by Russia ?
 
Ukraine issue is driven by Nationalistic interests.

A Speech by Obama one way or the other will not have that much impact.

Ukraine is to Russia what Canada is to the US.

Would the US tolerate any interference in Canadian matters by Russia ?
No. Ukraine to Russia much more than Canada for the United States. Ukraine to Russia, it's like Texas or New England, achieved independence as a result of some tragic events (criminal and illegal breakup of the USSR in 1991).
 
No. Ukraine to Russia much more than Canada for the United States. Ukraine to Russia, it's like Texas or New England, achieved independence as a result of some tragic events (criminal and illegal breakup of the USSR in 1991).
hey mate... can you please open a new thread about breaking up of USSR, i really wana know the russian point of view and background intelligence and diplomatic game played with USSR...
 
hey mate... can you please open a new thread about breaking up of USSR, i really wana know the russian point of view and background intelligence and diplomatic game played with USSR...
I can express my own point of view on those events . About diplomacy and intelligence there are mass of information on the net .
My point is - Gorbachev form16 years has collaborated with Western intelligence . They had some dirt on his family since the time of WW2. Coming to power , Gorbachev tried to put in all the leading positions traitors such as himself. And not only in the USSR but also in all the countries of the former Eastern Bloc . His team carried out direct sabotage of the economy - were closed mass military and space programs . Purposefully destroyed the military-industrial complex. In many Soviet republics came to power nationalists provoked interethnic conflicts. Trading system of the country became totally corrupt - all commodities disappeared from the shelves. Huge queues were even for bread.
In 1991, Gorbachev had full power to prevent the collapse of the country , but he did not use it.
In all respublics artificially fueled nationalist and Russophobe propaganda. People were told that it was Russia 's fault that they does not have products in stores .
It is now absolutely clear that Gorbachev and his followers had plan for the destruction of the Soviet Union from the inside and discredit communism.
That is my opinion.
 
My point is - Gorbachev form16 years has collaborated with Western intelligence . They had some dirt on his family since the time of WW2. Coming to power , Gorbachev tried to put in all the leading positions traitors such as himself.

I see the...West had some dirt on him and said if he didn't rise to power and destroy his country he would be exposed or something. That makes...a lot of sense...um actually no sense.

If he messed up it was probably due to some long chain of events.
 
I see the...West had some dirt on him and said if he didn't rise to power and destroy his country he would be exposed or something. That makes...a lot of sense...um actually no sense.

If he messed up it was probably due to some long chain of events.
He was one of the many agents, which were led to the government. As a result, they bet on him - and won. And what's unusual?
"To destroy the country, enough even one scoundrel. "Napoleon Bonaparte
 
Who wrote this article? :lol:


Worse yet, who posted it thinking it meant something ? I like how it says....'Now, the resolution of the Council of the Federation does not, repeat, NOT, mean that Russian forces will move into the Ukraine.' NUMBNUTZ !!! (not you, Haz) THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. Ukraine HAS BEEN invaded !!!
 
I can express my own point of view on those events . About diplomacy and intelligence there are mass of information on the net .
My point is - Gorbachev form16 years has collaborated with Western intelligence . They had some dirt on his family since the time of WW2. Coming to power , Gorbachev tried to put in all the leading positions traitors such as himself. And not only in the USSR but also in all the countries of the former Eastern Bloc . His team carried out direct sabotage of the economy - were closed mass military and space programs . Purposefully destroyed the military-industrial complex. In many Soviet republics came to power nationalists provoked interethnic conflicts. Trading system of the country became totally corrupt - all commodities disappeared from the shelves. Huge queues were even for bread.
In 1991, Gorbachev had full power to prevent the collapse of the country , but he did not use it.
In all respublics artificially fueled nationalist and Russophobe propaganda. People were told that it was Russia 's fault that they does not have products in stores .
It is now absolutely clear that Gorbachev and his followers had plan for the destruction of the Soviet Union from the inside and discredit communism.
That is my opinion.
all if russia and pakistan get can get a lesson that traitor deserve to be killed instantly rather then allowing them to grow up
 

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