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Barack Obama torpedos Bangalore -- again - US - World - The Times of India

Barack Obama torpedos Bangalore -- again
5 May 2009, 1235 hrs IST, Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN

WASHINGTON: There he goes again, bashing Bangalore. ( Watch
Obama's new mantra: No to Bangalore, Yes to Buffalo-Business-Videos-The Times of India
)

Not for the first time, US President Barack Obama invoked India’s much-celebrated economic hotspot, which has become an all-encompassing metaphor to describe everything from job loss to globalization, to rally Americans for a protectionist cause. :bounce:

At a White House event on Monday to unveil tax reforms aimed at forcing American multinationals to pay corporate taxes -- and keep jobs -- at home, Obama lashed out at the current US system, saying it encouraged paying ''lower taxes if you create a job in Bangalore, India, than if you create one in Buffalo, New York.''

The US President’s beef wasn’t really with Bangalore; the barb was aimed more at US firms and their wily ways. But Bangalore has become a catch-all term to hang US economic woes on. Obama has done it at least three times.

Bangalore has lent its name to many things in history, from a torpedo made during World War II (depicted in the movie Saving Private Ryan) to a stealth destroyer built for the Indian Navy. There was even a race horse named Bangalore that took part in the Grand National Derby in Liverpool in 1842.

But none of them have gained as much currency as the neologism ''Bangalored,'' a term that has galloped into dictionaries to describe loss of jobs due to offshoring.

For a while, the city might have felt good at the international attention. But with repeated -- and accusatory -- use, especially by the US President, it is starting to sound like an abomination -- or should that be an Obamination?

Across the world, long time natives of the city -- present company included -- are frequently thrown words (or looks) tantamount to ''aren’t you the guys taking away our jobs?'' when the place of origin is disclosed.

On Monday, Obama was at it again, banging up Bangalore (when it could well have been Beijing or Bucharest if he was so into alliteration) and buffing Buffalo, a city in upstate New York that thrives on foreign tourists because of its proximity to Niagara Falls. :chilli:

The crux of the Obama argument is that under current US tax code, American corporations with subsidiaries in foreign countries can defer paying US taxes on the profits of those subsidiaries until the money is transferred back to this country.

As long as those earnings are plowed back into the foreign subsidiaries (which firms do, creating more jobs there), they can avoid paying taxes indefinitely. If the money is brought back to the US, corporations can subtract foreign taxes already paid.

The Obama plan unveiled on Monday would, among other things, prohibit US firms from receiving foreign tax credits on income that is not subject to US taxes. It will also end a provision that lets the firms legally shift income from one foreign subsidiary to another, thus perpetually ducking taxes.

As a result, companies such as General Electric, Google, Intel, and Hewlett-Packard, all of which have operations in Bangalore, will lose tax credits and be forced to pony up more tax dollars to Uncle Sam.

Whether the multinationals, which get more bang -- or Bangalore -- for the buck outside the United States in terms of productivity will take this lying down is another matter. Congress has to approve the plan, and not all lawmakers are in its favor. Past attempts to pass similar laws have failed. The multinationals may yet torpedo it with stealthy lobbying.
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Of course, let's just bash Beijing instead, right? Why bring fame to Bangalore? It would be perfectly al right to bash the others, but just not us. *sarc* <- for those that have a limited understanding or feeling for sarcasm.
 
Not a good move.. on one hand they advocate globalisation.. on the other hand they indulge in protectionsim... !! Not right at all..!!!
 
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Its an absolutely right move. :yahoo: A very decisive step the Honorable President of the United States of America is going to take. :tup: :usflag:

Arrogant people need to die out of hunger. :agree:

"Punaha Mushika Bhabah...." (let the mouse remain as a mouse instead of turning to be an elephant.) Sastrik Prabachan from Panchatantra tales.
 
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The Obama plan unveiled on Monday would, among other things, prohibit US firms from receiving foreign tax credits on income that is not subject to US taxes. It will also end a provision that lets the firms legally shift income from one foreign subsidiary to another, thus perpetually ducking taxes.

As a result, companies such as General Electric, Google, Intel, and Hewlett-Packard, all of which have operations in Bangalore, will lose tax credits and be forced to pony up more tax dollars to Uncle Sam.

That is the most stupidest plan by Obama, First he should of thought about improving the American corporate tax struture to bring back jobs, Instead he is pushing the corporation further away from the United States. These corporations will eventuatly move there headquarters out of America. Typical Liberal!!!!
 
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Its an absolutely right move. :yahoo: A very decisive step the Honorable President of the United States of America is going to take. :tup: :usflag:

Arrogant people need to die out of hunger. :agree:

"Punaha Mushika Bhabah...." (let the mouse remain as a mouse instead of turning to be an elephant.) Sastrik Prabachan from Panchatantra tales.

I have posted this somewhere in Economic forum here. Seems like Obama does not like my place :coffee:

On a side note though, let's have a look at what India Inc & FICCI have said about this. (I am trying to find the link, I saw it on the news).

FICCI thinks that Obama's anti-outsourcing policy is going to be little effective on ground to stop job losses in US. He has to be seen acting on his campaign promises, to maintain his popularity. The biggest proof of this is that he does not intend to do anything about already outsourced business. That business is not going back, nor there are any restrictions. Also, the proposed tax changes only account for DIRECT outsourcing. So a client in US can not directly come to any company in India & give the business. But if they offer business to a US vendor, and vendor offers it to their branch in India, the tax changes do not apply.

Direct outsourcing covers a very small part of total outsourcing business. So trying to curb that, is not going to stop outsourcing at all. And Obama is smart enough to understand that US gets $1.2 back when they outsource business worth $1. So in short, though we can not term it as hogwash, it certainly is no useful on ground level.
 
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Its an absolutely right move. :yahoo: A very decisive step the Honorable President of the United States of America is going to take. :tup: :usflag:

Arrogant people need to die out of hunger. :agree:

"Punaha Mushika Bhabah...." (let the mouse remain as a mouse instead of turning to be an elephant.) Sastrik Prabachan from Panchatantra tales.

Not the brightest move on the part of the US. It will make US firms less competitive global as most countries do not double tax their MNC's.

By the way which "arrogant people" do you want die of hunger?. It is better to be arrogant and have your own money, than be arrogant with a begging bowl.
 
Barack Obama torpedos Bangalore -- again - US - World - The Times of India

Barack Obama torpedos Bangalore -- again
5 May 2009, 1235 hrs IST, Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN

WASHINGTON: There he goes again, bashing Bangalore. ( Watch
Obama's new mantra: No to Bangalore, Yes to Buffalo-Business-Videos-The Times of India
)

Not for the first time, US President Barack Obama invoked India’s much-celebrated economic hotspot, which has become an all-encompassing metaphor to describe everything from job loss to globalization, to rally Americans for a protectionist cause. :bounce:

At a White House event on Monday to unveil tax reforms aimed at forcing American multinationals to pay corporate taxes -- and keep jobs -- at home, Obama lashed out at the current US system, saying it encouraged paying ''lower taxes if you create a job in Bangalore, India, than if you create one in Buffalo, New York.''

The US President’s beef wasn’t really with Bangalore; the barb was aimed more at US firms and their wily ways. But Bangalore has become a catch-all term to hang US economic woes on. Obama has done it at least three times.

Bangalore has lent its name to many things in history, from a torpedo made during World War II (depicted in the movie Saving Private Ryan) to a stealth destroyer built for the Indian Navy. There was even a race horse named Bangalore that took part in the Grand National Derby in Liverpool in 1842.

But none of them have gained as much currency as the neologism ''Bangalored,'' a term that has galloped into dictionaries to describe loss of jobs due to offshoring.

For a while, the city might have felt good at the international attention. But with repeated -- and accusatory -- use, especially by the US President, it is starting to sound like an abomination -- or should that be an Obamination?

Across the world, long time natives of the city -- present company included -- are frequently thrown words (or looks) tantamount to ''aren’t you the guys taking away our jobs?'' when the place of origin is disclosed.

On Monday, Obama was at it again, banging up Bangalore (when it could well have been Beijing or Bucharest if he was so into alliteration) and buffing Buffalo, a city in upstate New York that thrives on foreign tourists because of its proximity to Niagara Falls. :chilli:

The crux of the Obama argument is that under current US tax code, American corporations with subsidiaries in foreign countries can defer paying US taxes on the profits of those subsidiaries until the money is transferred back to this country.

As long as those earnings are plowed back into the foreign subsidiaries (which firms do, creating more jobs there), they can avoid paying taxes indefinitely. If the money is brought back to the US, corporations can subtract foreign taxes already paid.

The Obama plan unveiled on Monday would, among other things, prohibit US firms from receiving foreign tax credits on income that is not subject to US taxes. It will also end a provision that lets the firms legally shift income from one foreign subsidiary to another, thus perpetually ducking taxes.

As a result, companies such as General Electric, Google, Intel, and Hewlett-Packard, all of which have operations in Bangalore, will lose tax credits and be forced to pony up more tax dollars to Uncle Sam.

Whether the multinationals, which get more bang -- or Bangalore -- for the buck outside the United States in terms of productivity will take this lying down is another matter. Congress has to approve the plan, and not all lawmakers are in its favor. Past attempts to pass similar laws have failed. The multinationals may yet torpedo it with stealthy lobbying.
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All the implied sarcasm with the smilies speaks volumes of how jealous you are of India's economic might.

American companies have already made their disapproval known to Obama. CISCO, GOOGLE, HP have all come out against the possible policy shift.

A pullout will not affect the Indian IT industries as much as it would affect American companies. Infact a research shows that for every $1 they invest in India, they earn $1.2 in return.

Companies like HP have already defied a possible policy shift, by actually bringing 5000 international jobs to India this month. And several other biggies will be looking for profitable overtures rather than the 'policy'.

Even if American companies pull out, the domestic demand will suffice about 80% of IT growth without any serious decision making by the goverment. The rest 20% can be levelled, in phases in 2-3 years.
 
US anti-outsourcing plans won&#8217;t hit India

Tuesday, 05 May, 2009 | 08:53 PM PST | Ombama&#8217;s plan is &#8216;not at all targeting&#8217; India&#8217;s outsourcing giants like Tata Consultancy Services, Wipro, Infosys and other companies, said Ameet Nivsarkar, vice president for global operations at Nasscom. &#8211;File Photo NEW DELHI: A US plan to clamp down on outsourcing could make many American companies uncompetitive but would not affect India&#8217;s flagship IT services industry, a top Indian business body said Tuesday.

US President Barack Obama, decrying &#8216;egregious&#8217; tax abuses, announced Monday plans to save 210 billion dollars by squeezing US firms&#8217; ability to profit from outsourcing jobs and offshore havens.

The new tax proposals aimed at addressing the tax rate differentials across the world &#8216;would impact American headquartered companies with overseas operations&#8217;, India&#8217;s leading outsourcing lobby Nasscom said.

But Nasscom said the impact on global companies working in India would be &#8216;marginal&#8217; as they already pay an income tax rate in the country of 33.9 per cent while the US rate was around 35 per cent.

&#8216;The effect will not be significant on India,&#8217; Ameet Nivsarkar, vice president for global operations at the National Association of Software and Services Companies (Nasscom), told AFP.

Obama&#8217;s plan is &#8216;not at all targeting&#8217; India&#8217;s outsourcing giants like Tata Consultancy Services, Wipro, Infosys and other companies, Nivsarkar added.

However, other nations, especially in Japan and Europe, are moving to a territorial system that taxes only corporate profits earned within their borders and the latest US proposals are contrary to the trend, Nasscom noted.

&#8216;This may actually end up reducing competitiveness of US companies with global operations when compared to their European and Japanese counterparts,&#8217; the National Association of Software and Services Companies,&#8217; Nasscom said.

Overall, according to the Obama administration, US firms exploit an array of tax loopholes and shady practices to pay an average of two per cent on their foreign profits, costing the US taxpayer tens of billions of dollars a year.

But the proposals submitted to Congress have come under fierce attack from big business and opposition Republicans.

Business groups in the US have assailed the plan, arguing that it would subject them to far higher taxes than their foreign competitors must pay and ultimately endanger US jobs

DAWN.COM | World | US anti-outsourcing plans won?t hit India
 
Basically Obama's US voter "base" is all in favor of such measures. Union workers, by their behavior, have been pushing jobs outside the US for decades. They just don't want to compete with Indian (or Chinese or Mexican, etc.) workers, period! My guess is that this will not pass as proposed but something more subtle and devious may be substituted. (Watch out for environmental, labor law and other "conditions" on US company operations outside the US). Never underestimate the protectionism of the US Democratic Party. And, with the defection of US Senator Arlyn Specter from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party, the Democratic party will now have complete control of the US House and Senate as well as the White House. Google, Intel and HP can cry all they want but they don't have the voters that the Unions have. As you can see from the politics of Pakistan, politicians care about holding office more than ANYTHING, even the economic health of their country. US politicians are no different.
 
Communist is hilarious. He doesn't realize that he's exposing his own bigotry and, shall I say, jealousy? by so enthusiastically supporting what he thinks will harm the Indian economy.
 
Basically Obama's US voter "base" is all in favor of such measures. Union workers, by their behavior, have been pushing jobs outside the US for decades. They just don't want to compete with Indian (or Chinese or Mexican, etc.) workers, period! My guess is that this will not pass as proposed but something more subtle and devious may be substituted. (Watch out for environmental, labor law and other "conditions" on US company operations outside the US). Never underestimate the protectionism of the US Democratic Party. And, with the defection of US Senator Arlyn Specter from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party, the Democratic party will now have complete control of the US House and Senate as well as the White House. Google, Intel and HP can cry all they want but they don't have the voters that the Unions have. As you can see from the politics of Pakistan, politicians care about holding office more than ANYTHING, even the economic health of their country. US politicians are no different.

And this same a$$hole Arlyn Specter few years ago was trying to pass a bill that once you are appointed in the senate seat, you could not change parties while serving. What an a$$hole. Now freanking liberals have there ways and future of the business world is looking bleaker by the minute.
 
Lest Pakistanis get blamed for posting 'anti-India' commentary, Communist is Indian.
 

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