New Submarine from China

[Nishan_101]

PN should try to bring in Egypt, Libya, Algeria and may be Tunisia and Morroco to do JV with China on Submarines:
7000 Tons SSBNs
3500 Tons SSKs
1750 Tons SSKs
700+ Tons SSKs Coastal
110-210 Tons Special Force Submarine
Rescue Submarines
Ocean Research Submarines


Can China provide help to Pakistan for this???

 

[cnleio]

China next-gen sub development, superconductor electric MHD submarine.

 

[Bilal.]

Does Chinese AIP use fuel cell technology?

 

[cnleio]

Does Chinese AIP use fuel cell technology?

China AIP submarine like 039B, using Stirling Engine,SEAIP. AIP tech imported from Germany in 1990s (Another said from France). But didn't know whether China have developed the FCAIP (Fuel Cell AIP).

A very old China SEAIP system pic, not latest (Of course official won't release it for public)

It's said (rumors) ... PLAN's
039A AIP sub ==> CCDAIP (China 1st-gen AIP tech)
039B AIP sub ==> SEAIP (Current China AIP tech)

Today Chinese mainly build 039B submarines. At least we can confirmed China Navy's sub using Stirling Engine AIP technology. China SEAIP engine (prototype) pic:

 

[cnleio]

WuHan new 039B AIP sub, delivering to PLAN

 

[cirr]

WuHan new 039B AIP sub, delivering to PLAN

Sailing on the Yangtze River downstream towards the East China Sea？

 

[cnleio]

Sailing on the Yangtze River downstream towards the East China Sea？

Of course, from WuHan shipyard to ZhouShan or QingDao.

 

[Pakistanisage]

So can someone help me understand the difference between the old Type 39 ( Nato name Song Class ) and Type 39B and Type 41 ( Nato name Yuan Class ) which also AIP Equipped.

Which one is more advanced - Type 39 B or Type 41 and which one is now Yuan Class ?

Also Russian Kilos were 4000 tons fully submerged.

How about Type 39B and Type 41, I mean how many tons fully submerged ?

 

[cnleio]

So can someone help me understand the difference between the old Type 39 ( Nato name Song Class ) and Type 39B and Type 41 ( Nato name Yuan Class ) which also AIP Equipped.

Which one is more advanced - Type 39 B or Type 41 and which one is now Yuan Class ?

Also Russian Kilos were 4000 tons fully submerged.

How about Type 39B and Type 41, I mean how many tons fully submerged ?

Type41 ?? I think China official not that name yet, in PLAN only 039 and 039A/B


Type 039 / Song class: 1,700ton underwater, 2,250ton fully submerged
Type 039 sub pic

Type 039A/B / Yuan class: 2,300ton underwater, 3,600 ton fully submerged
Type 039A sub pic

Type 039B sub pic

===> latest 039C, it's said the mono-shell AIP sub

 

[S10]

So can someone help me understand the difference between the old Type 39 ( Nato name Song Class ) and Type 39B and Type 41 ( Nato name Yuan Class ) which also AIP Equipped.

Which one is more advanced - Type 39 B or Type 41 and which one is now Yuan Class ?

Also Russian Kilos were 4000 tons fully submerged.

How about Type 39B and Type 41, I mean how many tons fully submerged ?

There is no such thing as 041. It's a misreport on NATO's part. Yuan is actually 039A, while Song is 039. The new boat should be 039B, while 039C is being designed at the moment. You won't see 041 for at least 10 years.

 

[BDforever]

There is no such thing as 041. It's a misreport on NATO's part. Yuan is actually 039B, while Song is 039A. The new boat should be 039C.

ok so are there 039G, 039G1 type ?

 

[S10]

ok so are there 039G, 039G1 type ?

Nope, China doesn't use "G" designation as official variants. It use A, B, or C.

Type 99G was actually Type 99A
039 was Song class, while 039A was Yuan

 

[cnleio]

Sometimes, the 'G' means 'Gai / 改' ... Chinese PinYin.

 

[S10]

Sometimes, the 'G' means 'Gai / 改' ... Chinese PinYin.

It could be, but in most cases it's wrongly attributed by the internet. The only known G designation was used on nuclear submarines.

 

[lcloo]

G, initial for "GAI" 改meaning Modify, is normally used after initials such as the A, B, C etc. Best example is looking at the 053 series PLAN Frigates and the 051 series destroyers. First batch 053 is known as 053H, then followed by 053H1, 053H2 and 053H3. When a new ship is built based on upgrade of a 053H1, it will be designated 053H1G。

Back to submarine, 039 Song has 2 versions, first few ones are with a step sail, later versions have the sails we normally see, and supposed to be 039G. 039A is Yuan class, thus if changes are made on original Yuan, it should be known as 039AG instead of 039B or 039C.

039B will be a different class of SSK from the Yuan class.

039B, 039C and 041 are all created by netizens, they are not official PLAN designation for current SSKs in service..

There is no such designation as 041 or any type 04X conventional submarines, all coventioal submarines (SSK) are designated 03X. And all nuclear submarines are designated 09X. Type 032 is the sole unit testbed submarine normally and wrongly termed as type 041.