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51% are Madheshis and are pro India. They have nothing against the truckers personally for being Indian or anything like that. They simply want to apply a significant pressure on the hill tribes by blocking the trade routes. India has taken an officially neutral stance and asked Nepal to sort this out peacefully by fair political accommodation.

There is no official Indian stance that these trucks must get to the mountains to circumvent the blockade....so the Madheshis are not angering or acting anti-Indian by refusing these trucks to go through.

Besides, those truckers are not uniformed personnel whom our government can order to go through an extremely disturbed zone where fighting and deaths are occurring on a regular basis, these are private trucks and they have all the right to decide whether to risk their lives and livelihood by going into such an area with their trucks.

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Besides, those truckers are not uniformed personnel whom our government can order to go through an extremely disturbed zone where fighting and deaths are occurring on a regular basis, these are private trucks and they have all the right to decide whether to risk their lives and livelihood by going into such an area with their trucks.

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Swine jamaatis also tried to destabilize peaceful BD this way. First police used baton but soon realized its useless against these cavemen. Then acted accordingly and these cavemen are in hideout now. Nepalese should learn something.


 
Swine jamaatis also tried to destabilize peaceful BD this way. First police used baton but soon realized its useless against these cavemen. Then acted accordingly and these cavemen are in hideout now. Nepalese should learn something.



These protesters are absolute majority in Terai, in entire Nepal too, unlike the Jamatis in Bangladesh who are still little short of becoming the majority population.

Your thought process is not very different from the thought process of the old West Pakistani leaders and generals.
 
These protesters are absolute majority in Terai, in entire Nepal too, unlike the Jamatis in Bangladesh who are still little short of becoming the majority population.

Your thought process is not very different from the thought process of the old West Pakistani leaders and generals.

They dont need majority's support. Only ten thousands are enough to destabilize a country. Majority people have nothing to do with this. They are the victim and want that gov will come to liberate them.
Use enough fire power against any unjust demands. If Nepalese want they can start firing tactic on some districts and secure one or two corridors, its not a problem. But maybe fearing India will invade them.
 
Majority people have nothing to do with this. They are the victim and want that gov will come to liberate them.

You have done a survey among Madheshis I presume?

Use enough fire power against any unjust demands.

Rainman is correct. You are sounding like West Pakistan generals. Have you looked that demands? How are they unjust? Please explain.

If Nepalese want they can start firing tactic on some districts and secure one or two corridors, its not a problem. But maybe fearing India will invade them.

More than India they fear the Madheshi backlash from any such violent action. Remember how a rag tag number of Maoists held entire Nepal hostage? Now imagine a rebellion of 51% majority. Think Nepal can handle it? If they tear themselves apart, India will not be averse to restoring full order to Nepal by granting it statehood in the Indian union....because Madheshis will probably vote for that at that point.
 
You have done a survey among Madheshis I presume?



Rainman is correct. You are sounding like West Pakistan generals. Have you looked that demands? How are they unjust? Please explain.



More than India they fear the Madheshi backlash from any such violent action. Remember how a rag tag number of Maoists held entire Nepal hostage? Now imagine a rebellion of 51% majority. Think Nepal can handle it? If they tear themselves apart, India will not be averse to restoring full order to Nepal by granting it statehood in the Indian union....because Madheshis will probably vote for that at that point.

There is nothing called united Madhesh. These are unjust demands of Indian origin Tharu, Yadavs. Majority of which entered in Nepal past decades. And these people are only 10-20%. There are enough mongoloid people living in Madhesh who has no problems with Nepal. But these Madheshis now demanding what not. Nepalese thought they are in paradise with open border agreement now understanding well what India was up to them by changing demography. Madhesh should be divided into different parts like other mountain areas and these immigrants who has aspirations to merge with India should have no problems. These immigrants had nothing to do with Maoist insurgency. Terai population was only 32% in 1991.

Demands o_O
  1. Declare Madhesh as a sovereign and independent nation and form Madhesh Government which will take care of the tasks of state transition, administration, holding election and drafting constitution.
  2. Withdraw Nepali colonial administrative structures and administrators from Madhesh.
  3. Withdraw occupying Nepali colonial army from Madhesh and immediately form Madhesh Army.
  4. Withdraw Armed Police Force and Nepal Police from Madhesh, and immediately form Madhesh Police.
  5. Remove all tax collection from Madhesh by Nepal Government.
  6. Return the land seized from Madheshis.
  7. Remove the control of Nepal Government on land, water, forest and other resources in Madhesh.
  8. Take initiatives to open diplomatic and consular offices of the United Nations and other sovereign nations of the world in Madhesh.
Alliance for Independent Madhesh (AIM) » Demands

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So this is how a so-called democracy treats its small neighbour?:rofl:
 
Demands o_O
  1. Declare Madhesh as a sovereign and independent nation and form Madhesh Government which will take care of the tasks of state transition, administration, holding election and drafting constitution.
  2. Withdraw Nepali colonial administrative structures and administrators from Madhesh.
  3. Withdraw occupying Nepali colonial army from Madhesh and immediately form Madhesh Army.
  4. Withdraw Armed Police Force and Nepal Police from Madhesh, and immediately form Madhesh Police.
  5. Remove all tax collection from Madhesh by Nepal Government.
  6. Return the land seized from Madheshis.
  7. Remove the control of Nepal Government on land, water, forest and other resources in Madhesh.
  8. Take initiatives to open diplomatic and consular offices of the United Nations and other sovereign nations of the world in Madhesh.

These are demands from one minority offshoot party....are you saying the speak for all Madheshis? Already one member has posted the NSP reaction above. Are they making these demands too?

Also are you saying the tribes that have migrated to the lowlands will not support India even though they are not Madheshi? Their livelihoods lie with those that live amongst them (Madheshis) and the big neighbour India.

I'm pretty sure this is an overall highlands versus lowlands battle...hence there should be a equitable power split between them.

Why Madhesi Resentment against the Constitution? -

To bring things into perspective, I am talking about this half of population of marginalized group represented by Madhesi, JanJatis and Muslims.
 
Nepal, India and Madhesis: all need a course correction

The problem
  • The Nepali leadership, Madhesis and India all have a part to play in the Nepal crisis
  • Kathmandu must address the issues raised by Madhesi agitators
  • Nepal needs to understand protests were not fuelled by India
The way ahead
  • India must be more receptive toward Nepal's Constitution
  • Madhesis should not piggyback on India
Nepal is in a crisis. The crisis is a triangular one, precipitated by three principal players.

The root of the crisis lies in Kathmandu, where the leaders of dominant ruling parties have frustrated the constitutional aspirations of marginalized Madhesis, janjatis and even women.

Madhesis in Nepal's southern belt have been agitating, resulting in nearly 50 deaths since September 20 - the day the Constitution was promulgated. Essential supplies from India for Kathmandu and the hills have also been seriously disrupted.

The third player is India, which allegedly has come out in support of the agitation, facilitating disruption in the flow of supplies, resulting in serious difficulties for the ordinary Nepalese. India wants Kathmandu to move fast to accommodate Madhes's constitutional concerns. If it does not happen now, it could as well be never.

In whose interest?

The situation prevailing in Nepal is not in anybody's interest. Kathmandu and New Delhi cannot afford to alienate each other. Kathmandu also cannot live in peace with an estranged Madhes or vice versa.

The positions taken by all three parties are not sustainable for long. Each one of them, particularly Kathmandu and India, therefore needs to rethink and introspect.

The leadership of the Nepali Congress (NC) and the Communist Party of Nepal - United Marxist Leninist (UML) must move fast to undo the injustice done to the marginalized groups and give them a sense of ownership of the Constitution.

A constitutional amendment Bill has been drafted to accommodate demands for proportional representation in state organs and population-based electoral constituencies.

Draw the boundaries
This is welcome, but not enough. The question of provincial boundaries, including those for the five controversial Terai districts, needs to be addressed. This may be easier said than done unless some of the NC and UML leaders rise above their narrow sectional interests.

Should they be allowed to be driven by their idiosyncrasies and narrow political stakes over building a new and strong Nepal? The NC and UML leaders have to realise that the present Madhes leadership still has stakes in a united and stable Nepal.

The younger generation of Madhesis who constitute the backbone of the present agitation may not have such stakes. Madhes has witnessed a surge of assertive and aggressive identity with a deepening distrust of Kathmandu, particularly since January-February 2007. The consolidation and expansion of this identity will not help stability and progress either in Nepal or in India.

For the ruling parties, the priority should not be to settle the power-sharing arrangements and install a new government. But to resolve the burning constitutional issues.

Vis-a-vis India

Kathmandu also has to reset its tone and temper in relation to India. The ruling elites must realize that the agitation in Madhes was neither caused by India nor its persistence is in India's interest.

Burning effigies and flags, or ridiculing the Indian leadership will not resolve the issues involved. Nepal of course should seek alternatives to its 'undue' dependence on India. But in a globalizing world, such option may be far and feeble.

Both King Mahendra and King Birendra tried to counter-balance India by inviting other powers and unleashing an anti-India nationalism. Every one knows the fate of their endeavours.

India, too, has to reset its response to Nepal's constitution and rethink its long-term Nepal policy. It was a sign of immaturity in crafting a cold reaction to Nepal's Constitution without welcoming it.

Kathmandu has to tone down; the Madhesi agitation was not caused by India


This is Nepal's first popular and democratically adopted Constitution - something India had hoped for in 1951. It has several commendable features.

True, the constitution has not been fair to Madhesis and others, but India has never taken such a strident stand in favour of Madhes in the past. Support for the Madhesis, to the extent of creating distress for ordinary Nepalese, is counterproductive.

In Kathmandu-Madhes polarization, siding completely with the Madhesis may not do good even to them. India's stand has actually facilitated the royalists, Hindu fundamentalists, Left extremists and the traditional anti-India sections of Nepal to fish in troubled water.

Flummoxing Indian failure
India's approach to Nepal is intriguing in the present context. How come the leaders and parties India has been supporting and cultivating for decades could not be persuaded on constitutional issues?

Is'nt it a huge failure of Indian diplomacy? How come some of these leaders have been found to be more amenable to persuasion by other countries than India? Why has Narendra Modi allowed the diverse clusters of the ruling BJP to run their respective Nepal policies in contravention to the stated national priorities?

It is time that India devoted much more time to shape its neighbourhood policy than allowing diverse and conflicting stakeholders to push this policy in different directions. Since the beginning of this century, we are witnessing a new and vibrant Nepal, a young and aspiring Nepal.

India has no option but to redefine its preferences and styles of engagement. It should play its role quietly and less visibly to be more effective. Now that Kathmandu has taken the first step, India should nudge Madhes also towards compromise and adjustment, while helping resolve Nepal's supplies situation.

India knows that the Madhesi leadership is fragmented and weak. It is opportunistic and power hungry. It did not assert itself for the cause of the Madhesi people even when having a share in power after 2008.

Any success that it secures by riding on India's back may not last - Recall the thirteenth constitutional amendment forced by India on Colombo in 1987 to accommodate the Tamils still remains to be implemented satisfactorily.

Madhes in fact badly needs a new and dynamic leadership to carve out its rightful place in Nepal's emerging order. Both Kathmandu and, if possible, India, may need to encourage Madhes's internal rejuvenation.

Nepal, India and Madhesis: all need a course correction
 
51% are Madheshis and are pro India. They have nothing against the truckers personally for being Indian or anything like that. They simply want to apply a significant pressure on the hill tribes by blocking the trade routes. India has taken an officially neutral stance and asked Nepal to sort this out peacefully by fair political accommodation.

There is no official Indian stance that these trucks must get to the mountains to circumvent the blockade....so the Madheshis are not angering or acting anti-Indian by refusing these trucks to go through.
Well first thanks for the following. I appreciate it.

Anyway, it India does have a neutral stance than they should allow trade to continue. If these Madheshis have a positive view of India they should not block the trade as it only hurts the country more. Additionally, if 51% of the Nepali Madheshis are pro India than what does that mean for Nepal's other peoples? Are they anti-India? If so than this isn't going to go well for Nepal and India's relations in the future. Consider that about 30% of Bangladeshi's view India as a threat and they all have a prominent voice through the public. Now, if Nepal's 49% are against India than that will truly put Indo-Nepali relations in a bad setting.
 
Well first thanks for the following. I appreciate it.

Just returning the favour :)

Anyway, it India does have a neutral stance than they should allow trade to continue. If these Madheshis have a positive view of India they should not block the trade as it only hurts the country more. Additionally, if 51% of the Nepali Madheshis are pro India than what does that mean for Nepal's other peoples? Are they anti-India? If so than this isn't going to go well for Nepal and India's relations in the future. Consider that about 30% of Bangladeshi's view India as a threat and they all have a prominent voice through the public. Now, if Nepal's 49% are against India than that will truly put Indo-Nepali relations in a bad setting.

It has been established that India is not the one behind the blockade.

The remaining 49% are not anti-India automatically....such fears were always there about Nepal during the Maoist insurgency period (when they were at their peak - how many Nepalis were anti _India and supported them etc.)

There will always be a disparate size between the two neighbours, but we cannot always treat Nepal with kid gloves.

They have to act responsibly towards all sections of their country and accept all are equal and deserve proportional representation in the parliament.

I honestly don't know why Nepal is even creating smaller subdivisions. They can just have districts by population unit and have a unicameral parliament....problem solved.
 
There is nothing called united Madhesh. These are unjust demands of Indian origin Tharu, Yadavs. Majority of which entered in Nepal past decades. And these people are only 10-20%. There are enough mongoloid people living in Madhesh who has no problems with Nepal. But these Madheshis now demanding what not. Nepalese thought they are in paradise with open border agreement now understanding well what India was up to them by changing demography. Madhesh should be divided into different parts like other mountain areas and these immigrants who has aspirations to merge with India should have no problems. These immigrants had nothing to do with Maoist insurgency. Terai population was only 32% in 1991.

Demands o_O
  1. Declare Madhesh as a sovereign and independent nation and form Madhesh Government which will take care of the tasks of state transition, administration, holding election and drafting constitution.
  2. Withdraw Nepali colonial administrative structures and administrators from Madhesh.
  3. Withdraw occupying Nepali colonial army from Madhesh and immediately form Madhesh Army.
  4. Withdraw Armed Police Force and Nepal Police from Madhesh, and immediately form Madhesh Police.
  5. Remove all tax collection from Madhesh by Nepal Government.
  6. Return the land seized from Madheshis.
  7. Remove the control of Nepal Government on land, water, forest and other resources in Madhesh.
  8. Take initiatives to open diplomatic and consular offices of the United Nations and other sovereign nations of the world in Madhesh.
Alliance for Independent Madhesh (AIM) » Demands

Who said what About One-Madhesh? — Kathmandu Metro


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It is abundantly clear that madheshis have only infiltrated into Nepalese Terai region within the last few decades because of lax border policy (I'd say non-existent border policy). Now these madheshi infiltrators are demanding sovereignty :-) , withdrawal of armed forces and removal of tax collection from madhesh by Nepal Government. And now they want their own Army. :laugh:

Nepal is not a banana republic and they have full rights to impose martial law if these unreasonable demands continue to be voiced. If madheshis don't like it - they can march back to India where they came from in the first place.

How would it suit India if the Muslims in West bengal or Assam did the same? And they are not infiltrators either.

I keep being amazed at Bhartiya Ram Rajya administration supporting any illegal situation even in a supposedly 'friendly' neighboring country.

Low-lifes are into causing trouble everywhere it suits their purpose.

I do not intend to derail this thread but I can confirm to you no Bangladeshi uses this.

There are enough illegal Indians living in Bangladesh to create the recent up-swell in demand.....

They have to act responsibly towards all sections of their country and accept all are equal and deserve proportional representation in the parliament.

With all due respect - this is none of your business. Let Nepal decide whatever equality and representation they treat their citizens with.

Lord Shiva knows how much inequality and lack of representation there is within Bharat itself.

There is a saying we have - it says, "Apna Charkha me tel dalo".(নিজের চর্কায় তেল দাও).
 
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