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The present logjam is set continue between Pakistan and India, this article argues:



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Boats against the current
Mistrust still thwarts efforts to make peace between India and Pakistan
From the print edition
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IN THE regional politics of South Asia, thaws are often the briefest of interludes between frost and steam. But even by local standards, the most recent rapprochement between India and Pakistan has proved remarkably short-lived. On July 11th, on the margins of a regional summit in Ufa in Russia, India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, and Nawaz Sharif, his Pakistani counterpart, signed a joint statement that seemed a breakthrough of sorts. Each country would free the other’s fishermen from its jails. Their national security advisers were to meet. And Mr Modi was to travel to Pakistan next year to attend a South Asian summit—which would also be the first time an Indian leader had visited since 2004. Yet by the time the two men had returned home, the mood had already soured. And with this week’s attack by terrorists on an Indian police station in Gurdaspur in the state of Punjab near the Pakistani border—in whose planning and execution Indian officials at once claimed to find the spoor of Pakistan’s military intelligence agency—it was back to the bad old days.

Eleven people died in the attack and siege that ended it, including all three gunmen. Pakistan has denied involvement and condemned the violence. But the circumstances have led many Indians to assume its guilt. The style of terrorism was one favoured by Pakistani-backed jihadist groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba in Indian-administered Kashmir. India also accuses Pakistan of trying to stir up unrest in Indian Punjab, which in the 1970s and 1980s endured a bloody Sikh insurgency. And the timing of this latest attack was telling: whenever relations between Pakistan and India seem on the mend, an act of Pakistani-sponsored terrorism opens the wounds again. They have still not healed from the onslaught on Mumbai in 2008 in which 164 people were killed. Pakistan has failed to bring the alleged mastermind to trial.

The lessons of this are sobering for both prime ministers. Mr Sharif has received yet another reminder that the army, not he himself, sets his government’s policy on issues of national security. Mr Modi, in turn, is reminded of the obstacles in the way of two cherished policies. The first is to improve relations with neighbours so that India can develop its economy in a peaceful, co-operative region. The other, for a famous scourge of alleged terrorists when he was chief minister of the state of Gujarat, is to stand up for India’s interests and respond forcefully to provocations. Manmohan Singh, Mr Modi’s gentlemanly predecessor as prime minister, used to be lambasted by Mr Modi’s cheerleaders in the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) for what it portrayed as his humiliating pushover of a foreign policy. Now Mr Modi faces the same difficulties Mr Singh did in making peace, and the same dilemmas in formulating a robust response.

Even before the attack in Punjab, the breakthrough at Ufa had seemed an aberration. India reported firing by the Pakistani army across the “line of control” which divides Kashmir in the absence of a settled border. Pakistan also said it had shot down what it claimed was an Indian unmanned spy-plane. And it even claimed to have evidence of Indian involvement in one of the most horrific of the many terrorist attacks Pakistan has suffered, by the Pakistani Taliban last December on a school in Peshawar, that killed 145 people, 132 of them children.

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So it is odd that the two prime ministers tried at all. Last year Mr Modi made a bold gesture by inviting Mr Sharif to his inauguration. But a row over Pakistan’s meddling in Indian Kashmir soon scuppered that initiative. Since then, Mr Modi has strutted India’s stuff on the world stage, apparently accepting that progress with Pakistan was unlikely and attempting to present the incessant wrangling as just a minor local difficulty.

For his part, Mr Sharif, who has twice in the past served as prime minister with bitter personal experience of the limits of civilian power, must have known that the joint statement at Ufa would have his generals fuming. It read like the draft India would have tabled as its ambitious first gambit in a prolonged negotiation, mentioning India’s prime concerns such as the Mumbai case and terrorism, but ignoring Pakistan’s: Kashmir, over which the two countries have three times gone to war.

Perhaps, some Indians speculate, both men knew their gestures were empty, and were playing to an international gallery. In India’s case that would have been to America, to prove that the tension with its neighbour was not of its making; and in Pakistan’s case to China, which wants India and Pakistan to co-operate to advance peace in Afghanistan and which, having just promised $46 billion in investment in Pakistan, has clout there.

International opinion, combined with a lack of hard evidence about the perpetrators, may also help explain why, even under the fire-breathing Hindu-nationalist Mr Modi, India’s reaction to this week’s atrocity has been relatively restrained. It has not yet even cancelled the proposed national-security-adviser talks.

The non-nuclear option

Another reason is the difficulty in finding what India’s home minister, Rajnath Singh, threatened this week: “a befitting reply”. Economic pressure is constrained by the two neighbours’ lack of extensive trade and investment links. Diplomatic persuasion seems doomed by the Pakistani army’s self-interest in maintaining tension. Covertly sponsoring tit-for-tat terrorism in Pakistan would be futile as well as wrong. And any form of overt military response raises the risk of uncontrollable escalation. A recent paper by Walter Ladwig of King’s College in London argues that Pakistan’s army is strong enough in conventional terms to deter Indian policymakers from thinking that “they can either achieve strategic surprise against Pakistan or carry out highly effective air strikes with little escalatory risk.” That Pakistan, like India, is a nuclear power adds further nightmarish dimensions to any military calculation. Mr Modi has promised a new approach to the old enemy but may find that his options are limited.

From the print edition: Asia
 
Mistrust is a given & shall stay forever.

To find peace we need to work through it by factoring it into our plans &calculations towards peace.
 
Self imposed isolation against each other, by two neighbors who hate each other passionately, is the only way to resolve the issues and maintain the peace. Modi and Sharif are two stalwarts in politics. Perhaps only they can explain their stupidity in issuing that statement at Ufa
 
I can see your point, but it is the management's call on where to place this thread.
Ask any one of the mods to move. This is a very important issue and I believe there is much room for debate and discussion. I really don't want to see this burst into flames with trolling.
 
We have the worst of its kind mistrust between us, and we blame each other for causing the mistrust, but the truth is somewhere in between...... Both the nations did their own share of actions to increase the mistrust........ Now going forward..... The Biggest problem i see is

"Pakistan Army" or "Pakistan political leadership"

Because, When it comes to India and relationship, it is the Army who takes the call, and what ever agreement or discussion Pak PM does, is ultimately vetoed by Rawalpindi......The reason could be anything from "Pakistani politicans inability to deal with India, or lack of trust in political leadership by PA, the Ego of PA or it could be to remain relevant.... What ever it is, it is not the concern of India......

I feel the best chance of Peace is when you have one of the most powerful general in Rawalpindi (who has control of every section of military and intelligence), and He heads the country, that is when both the leaders can discuss with out worrying about the "Veto" .... I guess we have an example in "Mushraff"..... It is believed that we were very close to resolve our issues.....

Once that is thru, I guess it is India turn to show maturity in dealing with the issue and showing political will to resolve them....

May be our next generation can share a friendly relationship......
 
We have the worst of its kind mistrust between us, and we blame each other for causing the mistrust, but the truth is somewhere in between...... Both the nations did their own share of actions to increase the mistrust........ Now going forward..... The Biggest problem i see is

"Pakistan Army" or "Pakistan political leadership"

Because, When it comes to India and relationship, it is the Army who takes the call, and what ever agreement or discussion Pak PM does, is ultimately vetoed by Rawalpindi......The reason could be anything from "Pakistani politicans inability to deal with India, or lack of trust in political leadership by PA, the Ego of PA or it could be to remain relevant.... What ever it is, it is not the concern of India......

I feel the best chance of Peace is when you have one of the most powerful general in Rawalpindi (who has control of every section of military and intelligence), and He heads the country, that is when both the leaders can discuss with out worrying about the "Veto" .... I guess we have an example in "Mushraff"..... It is believed that we were very close to resolve our issues.....

Once that is thru, I guess it is India turn to show maturity in dealing with the issue and showing political will to resolve them....

May be our next generation can share a friendly relationship......

Understanding the history of the relationship is important in understanding the present, but it is clear that the future, if it is to be any different, must rely on a fundamental change of attitudes by both sides.
 
Until Pakistan becomes 100% Hindu or India becomes 100% Muslim, peace or trust is a pipe dream.

However, such threads are great for the hits they generate and for the peaceniks to gather around the communal bonfire and sing kumbaya.
 
Understanding the history of the relationship is important in understanding the present, but it is clear that the future, if it is to be any different, must rely on a fundamental change of attitudes by both sides.

While agreeing to you in general..........


Understanding History is also a problem when it comes to friendship between India and Pakistan........ (courtesy kargil..... It happened with in few months of one of the best peace imitative between us.....Probably the learning from history in this case is "What you should not be doing".......
 
While agreeing to you in general..........


Understanding History is also a problem when it comes to friendship between India and Pakistan........ (courtesy kargil..... It happened with in few months of one of the best peace imitative between us.....Probably the learning from history in this case is "What you should not be doing".......

Lessons from history are as much about what to do as they are about what not to do.

Kargil is only one chapter in a long story. It is the break from this historical baggage that must be engineered by both sides if they are to progress.
 
Lessons from history are as much about what to do as they are about what not to do.

Kargil is only one chapter in a long story. It is the break from this historical baggage that must be engineered by both sides if they are to progress.

I agree, I was just pointing out on the history of peace attempts......

Probably today the most important reason why we hate each other is "Terrorism"
 
Probably today the most important reason why we hate each other is "Terrorism"

Terrorism is all that is left to two nuclear neighbors hostile towards one another.

You cannot go to war. But you must hurt the other guy.

We are not unique in this. Save for the US (and NATO) who else goes to war anymore?

Not even Russia did in the Ukraine.
 
@Jango @Jungibaaz or any mod, please mover the thread to the Senior Section if appropriate. Thanks!

To start with; this (movement to Seniors section) will be the rational thing to do.

Now the core issue of the Op-Ed.... The very basic Premise that it puts forth is essentially true, and there seems to be just no way to work around the mistrust existing. Actually .... it is in the interests of some stakeholders to perpetually stoke up the mistrust. Any (and every) way can be used to trigger (and re-trigger) the mistrust. The Gurdaspur incident is an illustration of that.

The political leadership who are doing the talking are not going to get anywhere by talking. Simply because ..... on one side the leadership does not even have the ability to call the shots. Its a lot like two Wadehras or Zamindaars attempting to talk about a property dispute between them; when in fact the Chowkidaar of one of the Wadehras is the guy who takes all the decisions on the property, and not the Maalik!
 

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