Libyan troops sent home after sexual assault allegations

[mike2000]

The Africans drowning in the Mediterranean are a direct legacy of the war. Gadaffi made sure to keep them from reaching Europe.

Exactly. He indeed helped Africa a lot. In fact if I had to write all what kadaffi did for Africa (even though those same countries he helped like Senegal, all kept silent/ran away when we started bombarding him.lol) It will be an essay.lol. So I will stop here.

 

[Steve781]

your post deserves a thread by itself... you are a wise man, my friend...

Is it really true, as one of the army chiefs said, that most of those men will never have seen a woman apart from their mother and sister? I know that Libya is a conservative country but I didn't think it was that conservative.

 

[jamahir]

Is it really true, as one of the army chiefs said, that most of those men will never have seen a woman apart from their mother and sister? I know that Libya is a conservative country but I didn't think it was that conservative.

quite true for those particular males, i would say... those males were from the ikhwaan mullah movement or admirers of abdul hakim belhaj who was formerly chief of cia-created lifg group... in effect, those libyan "soldiers" in britain are all opposed to the liberation of libyan ( and muslim ) ladies brought by muammar gaddafi through his revolution of 1969.

in recent years, libya seems to have seen a revival of the burqa culture that existed before 1969... the british socialist and writer, tariq ali, wrote of this when he visited libya some years ago... maybe @mike2000 will have seen this.

but libyan ladies were generally quite liberated and fierce about their freedoms...

below is the famous libyan jamahiriya-times tv presenter, hala misrati... she became well known for threatening on tv the "rebels" in 2011... she waved a pistol on live tv, threatening the ikhwaan/taliban/qaeda criminals who now form those libyan "soldiers" in britain...

below is a lady whose video i have linked earlier in this page... it is a famous video from 2011... she is fanatically defending muammar gaddafi and the jamahiriya system...

below is ayesha gaddafi, daughter of muammar... ayesha was one of the lawyers in the defense team of saddam hussain during that fake-court... first two photos are from 2011...

below is mutassim gaddafi, the model-looking son of muammar... the photo is i think from 2009...

and then of course the famous female guards of muammar... all know about them...

i am from india but i am in the "international jamahiriya movement", the socialist movement which propagates the jamahiriya direct-democracy system from libya... so i know a good amount about libya... not like the natives but enough... i think @Ceylal and @mike2000 can contribute even more, but as you can see above, libyans were not like the typical muslims found in iran, saudia, india and indonesia.

 

[mike2000]

quite true for those particular males, i would say... those males were from the ikhwaan mullah movement or admirers of abdul hakim belhaj who was formerly chief of cia-created lifg group... in effect, those libyan "soldiers" in britain are all opposed to the liberation of libyan ( and muslim ) ladies brought by muammar gaddafi through his revolution of 1969.

in recent years, libya seems to have seen a revival of the burqa culture that existed before 1969... the british socialist and writer, tariq ali, wrote of this when he visited libya some years ago... maybe @mike2000 will have seen this.

but libyan ladies were generally quite liberated and fierce about their freedoms...

below is the famous libyan jamahiriya-times tv presenter, hala misrati... she became well known for threatening on tv the "rebels" in 2011... she waved a pistol on live tv, threatening the ikhwaan/taliban/qaeda criminals who now form those libyan "soldiers" in britain...
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below is a lady whose lady i have linked earlier in this page... it is a famous video from 2011... she is fanatically defending muammar gaddafi and the jamahiriya system...

below is ayesha gaddafi, daughter of muammar... ayesha was one of the lawyers in the defense team of saddam hussain during that fake-court... first two photos are from 2011...
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below is the mutassim gaddafi, the model-looking son of muammar... the photo is i think from 2009...
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i am from india but i am in the "international jamahiriya movement", the socialist movement which propagates the jamahiriya direct-democracy system from libya... so i know a good amount about libya... not like the natives but enough... i think @Ceylal and @mike2000 can contribute even more, but as you can see above, libyans were not like the typical muslims found in iran, saudia, india and indonesia.

Well said. I will reply you when I get home bro. Using my phone to type or while driving can be troublesome.

 

[mike2000]

quite true for those particular males, i would say... those males were from the ikhwaan mullah movement or admirers of abdul hakim belhaj who was formerly chief of cia-created lifg group... in effect, those libyan "soldiers" in britain are all opposed to the liberation of libyan ( and muslim ) ladies brought by muammar gaddafi through his revolution of 1969.

in recent years, libya seems to have seen a revival of the burqa culture that existed before 1969... the british socialist and writer, tariq ali, wrote of this when he visited libya some years ago... maybe @mike2000 will have seen this.

but libyan ladies were generally quite liberated and fierce about their freedoms...

below is the famous libyan jamahiriya-times tv presenter, hala misrati... she became well known for threatening on tv the "rebels" in 2011... she waved a pistol on live tv, threatening the ikhwaan/taliban/qaeda criminals who now form those libyan "soldiers" in britain...
View attachment 148445

below is a lady whose video i have linked earlier in this page... it is a famous video from 2011... she is fanatically defending muammar gaddafi and the jamahiriya system...

below is ayesha gaddafi, daughter of muammar... ayesha was one of the lawyers in the defense team of saddam hussain during that fake-court... first two photos are from 2011...
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below is mutassim gaddafi, the model-looking son of muammar... the photo is i think from 2009...
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and then of course the famous female guards of muammar... all know about them...

i am from india but i am in the "international jamahiriya movement", the socialist movement which propagates the jamahiriya direct-democracy system from libya... so i know a good amount about libya... not like the natives but enough... i think @Ceylal and @mike2000 can contribute even more, but as you can see above, libyans were not like the typical muslims found in iran, saudia, india and indonesia.

You are indeed correct bro. Gadaffi indeed help elevate Libyan womens role in life to a very great extent, unlike most Arab/mulsim countries leader/monarchies who suppress their women rights to work, divorce,be independent, equal rights with men etc.

When i was in Libya in summer 2009, i heard there that employment for Libyan women was estimated at over 30-35%, a relatively high percentage for an Arab nation. Also Working mothers enjoyed a range of benefits designed to encourage them to continue working even after marriage and childbirth, including cash bonuses for the first child and free day care centres(something even we in most European countries dont have). A woman in Libya could retire at the age of 55, and she was entitled to a pension and Under Jamahiriya government child marriages were banned(somnething that is still acceptable in most other conservative middle eastern countries) and the minimum legal age to marry placed at 18, and Libyan women had equal rights in obtaining a divorce. The man did a great deal to improve women's rights and situation in Libya, actions that no doubt raised the ire of the more traditional Muslim leaders, especially those of the Wahhabi persuasion or of the Muslim Brotherhood.

I will like to put/summarize it in points(since i tend to write too much.lool), as follows(Note: these are things you will never/hardly ever see in almost all other muslim/arab countries out there, even though our governments still hail them as models/allies, for me its more like puppets..lol):

In Libya under Kadaffi

• Women were never confined to their homes while their husbands, fathers and brothers go to work. Gaddafi forbade restricting women's mobility.

• Women had full rights to drive cars (unlike their sisters in Saudi Arabia). Women also keep their passports. In several Arab countries, a woman’s husband holds her passport so she cannot travel outside of the country without his permission.

• No person can force a Libyan woman to marry any man.

• The Imams are expected to protect the woman from abuse by relatives.

• A Libyan woman can leave a marriage any time she chooses(i dont needto say more for you to know most arab/muslim countries forbade this and will even kill a woman if she ever tries this).

• If a woman enters a marriage with her own assets and the marriage ends, her husband cannot touch her assets. The same is true of the man's assets.



These are just a few examples of what i not only red, but witnessed during my own stay in Libya.Its anybody's guess how these women are now faring under the freedom fighters alias jihadists/islamists scums who now rule libya, with each imposing his own version of islam/shariah etc under which region they cotrol. I even red how when Gaddafi fled, his female bodyguards ["The Revolutionary Nuns" or "Amazonian Guard"] also disbanded, but still many of them were tracked down by the islamists/jihadists

According to information organized by a Middle Eastern website, the first fled with her boyfriend but was caught by the opposition and shot dead, the two of them dying together.

The second was identified despite her makeup/disguise and was beaten to death.

The third was kidnapped by the opposition’s soldiers, viciously tortured and gang-raped for days before being strangled to death with the words “the fate for Gaddafi’s whores” beside her, her body rotting when discovered. I have saw some oics of their bodies online, but share them here because of their graphic nature.

Libya is now almost a lost cause, thanks to the traitors/naive people who let themselves be used/deceived by foreign powers. This should be a lesson to all people in other developing countries in Africa and Middle east. Nobody will ever help you if you dont help yourselves, and you have to always be aware that if you give foreign powers(be it western or Arab/mulism countries) an openning to intervene in your country, then dont expect much in return, since is out for his/her interests not yours. Today im sure they are all crying for Gadaffi, but unfortunately its too late. Hopefully Libya will serve as an example to other countries out there(though i doubt it, judging by how naive some people can be about 'freedom,democracy' bla bla bla. lol). Anyway all we can do is wait to see if this also happen to more countries in the region. But as far as i know, having visited/stayed in libya for a while, i can attest personally that Politics is indeed a dirty/immoral game. You just have to know how to play it well, if not you are done with/death.

 

[jamahir]

his female bodyguards ["The Revolutionary Nuns" or "Amazonian Guard"] also disbanded, but still many of them were tracked down by the islamists/jihadists

According to information organized by a Middle Eastern website, the first fled with her boyfriend but was caught by the opposition and shot dead, the two of them dying together.

The second was identified despite her makeup/disguise and was beaten to death.

The third was kidnapped by the opposition’s soldiers, viciously tortured and gang-raped for days before being strangled to death with the words “the fate for Gaddafi’s whores” beside her, her body rotting when discovered. I have saw some oics of their bodies online, but share them here because of their graphic nature.

i have seen their photos... one of that pretty one, who in a pre-2011 photo is not looking at the camera... her death photo had her face down, her back with marks of burns and beatings and cuts and maybe electric shocks... it is unfair of pdf admins not allowing those photos... why should truth be hidden??

there was another lady from his guard, who had escaped to egypt and was participating in protests and counter-coup activity... she was tracked down ( as you said ) and murdered there.

You are indeed correct bro. Gadaffi indeed help elevate Libyan womens role in life to a very great extent, unlike most Arab/mulsim countries leader/monarchies who suppress their women rights to work, divorce,be independent, equal rights with men etc.

funny that obomba arranged the 2011 nobel "peace" prize for a yemeni burqa, tawakkul karman, who promotes the ikhwaan mullahs and goes against the very freedoms that islam gives as right to ladies and the very freedoms for ladies that muammar gaddafi promoted...

i suppose, nobel "peace" prize for next year will be either to the ikhwaan mullah, morsi, for forwarding "democracy" while being jailed by a "military dictatorship"... or even better, to the saudi king, abdullah, for being the "champion of women's rights", as the saudi members here like to point out...

The man did a great deal to improve women's rights and situation in Libya, actions that no doubt raised the ire of the more traditional Muslim leaders, especially those of the Wahhabi persuasion or of the Muslim Brotherhood.

you know, the brotherhood ( ikhwaan ul "muslimoon" ) and its spiritual leader, sayyid qutb, was much inspired by the works of the indian mullah, abu ala maudoodi... the indian mullah movements... tableeghi jamaat and deoband mullah school... are really responsible for giving encouragement and continuation of every mullah group in the world in modern times... be that the saudi wahhabis or the irani khomenei followers or hizb-ut-tahrir or the turkish ak party or the south east asian jemah... all those criminals find source in india...

I will like to put/summarize it in points(since i tend to write too much.lool), as follows(Note: these are things you will never/hardly ever see in almost all other muslim/arab countries out there, even though our governments still hail them as models/allies, for me its more like puppets..lol):

you should write more... because you write truth, and that too quite practically and calmly.

one of the lies in the world is the recent book about gaddafi called "gaddafi's harem" by annick cojean... it is about "gaddafi's whores trapping ladies for gaddafi to rape and torture"... that book is simply a propaganda against muammar gaddafi because he is still respected ( not least by nelson mandela ) and the model of the libyan jamahiriya has found a new world movement ( in which i participate )... also venezuela is being transformed into jamahiriya-like self-governing communes... well, cia plot has intervened there too...

Today im sure they are all crying for Gadaffi, but unfortunately its too late. Hopefully Libya will serve as an example to other countries out there(though i doubt it, judging by how naive some people can be about 'freedom,democracy' bla bla bla. lol).

where the libyan system failed was in two ways... (1). continuing too much comfort without realizing that the growing mullah-burqa culture will allow nato militaries to use fools as proxies and destroy libya, (2). not retaining long-range rockets with chemical/biological/nuclear capability ( the north koreans scolded libya for this mistake in 2011 ).

but according to a recent ( months ) news, the tribal chiefs of libya say that 95 percent of libyans want the jamahiriya back... well, libyans have seen unimaginable tortures since 2011, but many of them became too stunned and did not fight back... but there were others who fell back to the southern deserts and went to tunisia, egypt, chad, russia etc to regroup and it is these people who have kept the fight alive.

that superb speech by muammar in february 2011... "beit beit, dar dar, zanga zanga"... spoke of young fools given drugs by western governments... drugs, not only physical, but also psychological... how true he was...

 

[Falcon29]

Is it really true, as one of the army chiefs said, that most of those men will never have seen a woman apart from their mother and sister? I know that Libya is a conservative country but I didn't think it was that conservative.

Which 'army chief' said that? That is not true and has nothing to do with it. I love how you try to attribute that as a factor.

 

[Ceylal]

@mike2000,

I can attest to that, despite Kaddaffy's vagaries, Libyans prior to 2011 enjoyed a good life. Equality between the sexes was well established in this conservative society, no seen in arab societies but Tunisia. Libya was invaded for her treasury and her Oil. France has always been a bank robbing country.
@jamahir


there are two kind of changes. The one fought and brought by intellectuals ie Mahatma Gandhi and other, who seeked change and independance thru peaceful means, and the second kind , organized and fought by proletarians with arms.
In Libya , we witnessed a third kind, an engineered chaos, entertained and financed by medievals. It took about two years of infighting between the djihadi groups ,just too chose the few that were sent for training.... When you work with refuse, you attract smell and flies. The Brits should learn that their good offices should be given with due diligence and care.

 

[jamahir]

@mike2000,

I can attest to that, despite Kaddaffy's vagaries, Libyans prior to 2011 enjoyed a good life. Equality between the sexes was well established in this conservative society, no seen in arab societies but Tunisia. Libya was invaded for her treasury and her Oil. France has always been a bank robbing country.
@jamahir

there are two kind of changes. The one fought and brought by intellectuals ie Mahatma Gandhi and other, who seeked change and independance thru peaceful means, and the second kind , organized and fought by proletarians with arms.
In Libya , we witnessed a third kind, an engineered chaos, entertained and financed by medievals. It took about two years of infighting between the djihadi groups ,just too chose the few that were sent for training.... When you work with refuse, you attract smell and flies. The Brits should learn that their good offices should be given with due diligence and care.

ceylal, i agree with your analysis but want to add three things...

1. the invasion of libya was not only for oil but for other very important things as well... libyan opposition to africom, libyan promotion of "gold dinar", libyan establish of a africa bank, promotion of united states of africa, libyan support for world true revolutionary movments, venezuelan adoption of jamahiriya system... and of course muammar gaddafi himself.

2. algeria itself has seen criminals acts in the early 90's by the same cia-supported groups that invaded libya... i would read of algeria's situation when i was younger then.

3. gandhi isn't that suitable an example... there are real intellectuals from pre-1947 india like iqbal, bhagat singh, faiz, jinnah, the indian communist party ( estb. 1921 ), subhash chandra bose... actually, it was gandhi and his friends like vallabh bhai patel, abul kalam azad ( and hindu and mullah groups ) who led the way to partition in 1947 and much bloodshed that year and since then...

i want to ask you two things... (a). what is the meaning of your user-name??, (b). what is your opinion of the singers, khaled and souad massi??

may i also say that you will make a good politics writer...

 

[mike2000]

@mike2000,

I can attest to that, despite Kaddaffy's vagaries, Libyans prior to 2011 enjoyed a good life. Equality between the sexes was well established in this conservative society, no seen in arab societies but Tunisia. Libya was invaded for her treasury and her Oil. France has always been a bank robbing country.
@jamahir


there are two kind of changes. The one fought and brought by intellectuals ie Mahatma Gandhi and other, who seeked change and independance thru peaceful means, and the second kind , organized and fought by proletarians with arms.
In Libya , we witnessed a third kind, an engineered chaos, entertained and financed by medievals. It took about two years of infighting between the djihadi groups ,just too chose the few that were sent for training.... When you work with refuse, you attract smell and flies. The Brits should learn that their good offices should be given with due diligence and care.

Yes you are absoultely right about this. Only naives arabs/muslims dont know this. Thats why everytime i look at some comments here i just laugh. I think information/knowledge/openness to travel abroad/awareness and most of all education is very very important for a country. Since it helps broaden your world view of things and help see things from a very wide/different perspective. It also helps protect a country from the third type of revolution you mentioned i.e an engineered chaos, entertained and financed by medievals/foreign powers, since it helps people understand that no foreign power will ever want your own good/help you prosper NEVER.

As for your point about France, ohhhh ma belle France, ahahahhaha...This is a country i know very well(my parents though british, are actually ethnic French, and i also lived/study international relations in France for a long while and also trvaled/live in some french speaking African countries, so i indeed know France and its policies very very well, more than even my own country britain itself.lol). Yes i must confess France to me, is the worse European power/colonial master ever(worse than even Britain itself.). I already talked about this in another thread on here(cant remmeber which one though). France is the Only former(more like current) European colonial master/power who still has troops in all its former(more like current.lol) colonies in Africa(subsaharan one), even Britain doesnt have any in its former coloniies. Also all african french colonies still use France's currency i.e the Francs CFA in which all these african countries (over 14 of them) are obliged to keep their foreign currencies/reserves in the French treasury and this is managed by France. Like the former president of the Ivorian National Assembly, former Finance Minister and economist, Professor Mamadou Koulibaly, labeled the French-led CFA franc arrangement as ‘financially repressive, unfair and morally indefensible. Note that this is the main reason France toppled former ivory coast president Laurent Mbagbo, since he was one of the few french speaking african leader to condemn france's exploitation of Africa and he wanted to get out of the FCFA(french colonial currency of exploitation.lol), reason he was not only toppled with frances direct military intervention but also imprisoned with his wifes and associates until today(hes even lucky he is still alive, other african leaders like him werent so lucky lol).

The French have been acquiring and holding the national reserves of 14 countries since 1961. Even allowing for losses and expenditures in keeping the CFA franc viable, the French are holding about at least 500 billion dollars of African money, wholly unaccountably to the money’s putative owners, the African states. Even Bernie Madoff couldn’t have constructed a Ponzi scheme that large without being exposed.

This ‘bargain’ was made between the African former colonies and the French as part of the Pacte Coloniale which accompanied their independence and controlled through a single currency, the CFA franc. This was largely the work Jacques Foccart(thank GOD he is now death.lol), the chief adviser for the government of France on African policy as well as the co-founder of the Gaullist Service d’Action Civique (SAC) in 1959 with Charles Pasqua, which specialised in covert operations in Africa.

Also, taking for example Haiti which was the first black country to gain independence(though its now one of the poorest.lol) in 1804, Many people dont know this small country still paid france an independence fee(as funny as it sounds yes) since 1840 and it wasnt until the tsunami happened in 2010 that the whole wolrd turned its attention/pity towards Hiati that France had to cancel these inhuman fee it was collecting from Haiti due to the pressure from the whole world and even the U.S who said this was inhuman, giving that Haiti is the poorest country in the American continent. All french black/african clonies are all poor/backward countries i have yet to see one who is indeed kind of prosperous or at least average. France sucks the hell of a blood out of them even till today.lool

I advice members here who think Britain and america are bad colonial powers to read this, they will know that compared to france, we are indeed better/angels i must say.lool,

14 African Countries Forced by France to Pay Colonial Tax For the Benefits of Slavery and Colonization | SiliconAfrica.com

 

[Ceylal]

ceylal, i agree with your analysis but want to add three things...

1. the invasion of libya was not only for oil but for other very important things as well... libyan opposition to africom, libyan promotion of "gold dinar", libyan establish of a africa bank, promotion of united states of africa, libyan support for world true revolutionary movments, venezuelan adoption of jamahiriya system... and of course muammar gaddafi himself.

Parallel news media wrote a lot about the idems , I highlighted. In fact Kaddaffy was a bipolar crowd entertainer. The ideas that he talked about from against Africom, to the promotion of the state africa were just a figment of his imagination. Africom was Already in Africa. From Egypt to Djibouti to Morocco, where ever there is an American military base, Africom was a sideline dish.
Kaddafy created more havoc to his neighbors than any foreign power, from Mali, Niger, Tchad, Egypt to Algeria, but all these countries found a way to live with his eccentricities. But this also created a rejection of Kaddafy and his fall

2. algeria itself has seen criminals acts in the early 90's by the same cia-supported groups that invaded libya... i would read of algeria's situation when i was younger then.

We went through the same deal that Syria is going thru now and the same actors...

3. gandhi isn't that suitable an example... there are real intellectuals from pre-1947 india like iqbal, bhagat singh, faiz, jinnah, the indian communist party ( estb. 1921 ), subhash chandra bose... actually, it was gandhi and his friends like vallabh bhai patel, abul kalam azad ( and hindu and mullah groups ) who led the way to partition in 1947 and much bloodshed that year and since then...

All the changes have their down side. I agree with you that Gandhi sidelined some of his friend in arms of the Muslim faith. But having said that, Gandhi also manage to keep human losses of life extremely low...Algeria's cost was 15% of the population just from 1954 t0 1962...If we count the entirety of 132 years of french occupation, the figure is close to 12,000,000 lives.

i want to ask you two things... (a). what is the meaning of your user-name??,

Ceylal, is the name ,a north african bat no bigger than a sparrow, in the local Algerian dialect.

khaled and Souad Massi

Both are reknown singers and have a big following in Algeria and elsewhere. I am not a particular fan of the Rai music and a lot less of Khaled. I love Souad and her Music as well as her political position in issues that concerns on the middle east and the third world in general...I found Khaled eats from all the mangers..

may i also say that you will make a good politics writer...

Thanks, I am more versed in technical papers...

 

[Steve781]

Yes you are absoultely right about this. Only naives arabs/muslims dont know this. Thats why everytime i look at some comments here i just laugh. I think information/knowledge/openness to travel abroad/awareness and most of all education is very very important for a country. Since it helps broaden your world view of things and help see things from a very wide/different perspective. It also helps protect a country from the third type of revolution you mentioned i.e an engineered chaos, entertained and financed by medievals/foreign powers, since it helps people understand that no foreign power will ever want your own good/help you prosper NEVER.

As for your point about France, ohhhh ma belle France, ahahahhaha...This is a country i know very well(my parents though british, are actually ethnic French, and i also lived/study international relations in France for a long while and also trvaled/live in some french speaking African countries, so i indeed know France and its policies very very well, more than even my own country britain itself.lol). Yes i must confess France to me, is the worse European power/colonial master ever(worse than even Britain itself.). I already talked about this in another thread on here(cant remmeber which one though). France is the Only former(more like current) European colonial master/power who still has troops in all its former(more like current.lol) colonies in Africa(subsaharan one), even Britain doesnt have any in its former coloniies. Also all african french colonies still use France's currency i.e the Francs CFA in which all these african countries (over 14 of them) are obliged to keep their foreign currencies/reserves in the French treasury and this is managed by France. Like the former president of the Ivorian National Assembly, former Finance Minister and economist, Professor Mamadou Koulibaly, labeled the French-led CFA franc arrangement as ‘financially repressive, unfair and morally indefensible. Note that this is the main reason France toppled former ivory coast president Laurent Mbagbo, since he was one of the few french speaking african leader to condemn france's exploitation of Africa and he wanted to get out of the FCFA(french colonial currency of exploitation.lol), reason he was not only toppled with frances direct military intervention but also imprisoned with his wifes and associates until today(hes even lucky he is still alive, other african leaders like him werent so lucky lol).

The French have been acquiring and holding the national reserves of 14 countries since 1961. Even allowing for losses and expenditures in keeping the CFA franc viable, the French are holding about at least 500 billion dollars of African money, wholly unaccountably to the money’s putative owners, the African states. Even Bernie Madoff couldn’t have constructed a Ponzi scheme that large without being exposed.

This ‘bargain’ was made between the African former colonies and the French as part of the Pacte Coloniale which accompanied their independence and controlled through a single currency, the CFA franc. This was largely the work Jacques Foccart(thank GOD he is now death.lol), the chief adviser for the government of France on African policy as well as the co-founder of the Gaullist Service d’Action Civique (SAC) in 1959 with Charles Pasqua, which specialised in covert operations in Africa.

Also, taking for example Haiti which was the first black country to gain independence(though its now one of the poorest.lol) in 1804, Many people dont know this small country still paid france an independence fee(as funny as it sounds yes) since 1840 and it wasnt until the tsunami happened in 2010 that the whole wolrd turned its attention/pity towards Hiati that France had to cancel these inhuman fee it was collecting from Haiti due to the pressure from the whole world and even the U.S who said this was inhuman, giving that Haiti is the poorest country in the American continent. All french black/african clonies are all poor/backward countries i have yet to see one who is indeed kind of prosperous or at least average. France sucks the hell of a blood out of them even till today.lool

I advice members here who think Britain and america are bad colonial powers to read this, they will know that compared to france, we are indeed better/angels i must say.lool,

14 African Countries Forced by France to Pay Colonial Tax For the Benefits of Slavery and Colonization | SiliconAfrica.com

Parallel news media wrote a lot about the idems , I highlighted. In fact Kaddaffy was a bipolar crowd entertainer. The ideas that he talked about from against Africom, to the promotion of the state africa were just a figment of his imagination. Africom was Already in Africa. From Egypt to Djibouti to Morocco, where ever there is an American military base, Africom was a sideline dish.
Kaddafy created more havoc to his neighbors than any foreign power, from Mali, Niger, Tchad, Egypt to Algeria, but all these countries found a way to live with his eccentricities. But this also created a rejection of Kaddafy and his fall



We went through the same deal that Syria is going thru now and the same actors...


All the changes have their down side. I agree with you that Gandhi sidelined some of his friend in arms of the Muslim faith. But having said that, Gandhi also manage to keep human losses of life extremely low...Algeria's cost was 15% of the population just from 1954 t0 1962...If we count the entirety of 132 years of french occupation, the figure is close to 12,000,000 lives.



Ceylal, is the name ,a north african bat no bigger than a sparrow, in the local Algerian dialect.

Both are reknown singers and have a big following in Algeria and elsewhere. I am not a particular fan of the Rai music and a lot less of Khaled. I love Souad and her Music as well as her political position in issues that concerns on the middle east and the third world in general...I found Khaled eats from all the mangers..



Thanks, I am more versed in technical papers...

I agree with you that Gadaffi was not a good man (he was behind the destruction of Sierra Leone and Liberia). But at the end of his life he was harmless.

 

[Steve781]

Which 'army chief' said that? That is not true and has nothing to do with it. I love how you try to attribute that as a factor.

Libya's shame as soldiers return from UK | Middle East Eye
It's in this article. Not an army chief sorry but one of the officers in charge of the training.

 

[jamahir]

The French have been acquiring and holding the national reserves of 14 countries since 1961. Even allowing for losses and expenditures in keeping the CFA franc viable, the French are holding about at least 500 billion dollars of African money, wholly unaccountably to the money’s putative owners, the African states. Even Bernie Madoff couldn’t have constructed a Ponzi scheme that large without being exposed.

that explains france's fanatic participation in the libya invasion... gaddafi's "africa bank" and "gold dinar" and all that... but ceylal doesn't seem to be fond of libya or muammar gaddafi...

I agree with you that Gadaffi was not a good man (he was behind the destruction of Sierra Leone and Liberia). But at the end of his life he was harmless.

liberia's female president was co-receiver of nobel "peace" prize for 2011, along with another female asset of nato from yemen... though i don't know much about sierra leone.

I highlighted. In fact Kaddaffy was a bipolar crowd entertainer.

Kaddafy created more havoc to his neighbors than any foreign power, from Mali, Niger, Tchad, Egypt to Algeria, but all these countries found a way to live with his eccentricities. But this also created a rejection of Kaddafy and his fall

for many people far from africa, the genius of muammar gaddafi is easier to see... i don't give any credibility to psychiatry... "bipolar" could be applied now to any genius inventor or political leader of the past... i myself can be called by others as "bipolar" for talking about clock-less microprocessors and communism...

libyans have not rejected gaddafi nor have old heroes like carlos ( the jackal )... i myself participate in the "world jamahiriya movement" which has people from russia to australia to europe to north america.

and remember, algeria and zimbabwe were the only two african governments in 2011 who spoke or acted against the nato invasion of libya... the rest kept quiet... mike2000 has said this earlier in the thread.

 

[Ceylal]

that explains france's fanatic participation in the libya invasion... gaddafi's "africa bank" and "gold dinar" and all that... but ceylal doesn't seem to be fond of libya or muammar gaddafi...

I am fond of Libya and the Libyan. Its a country I know very well. I sincerely believe Kaddafy became senile and irrational, as he aged.
Indeed he did a lot of good things in Africa, but his United state of Africa and one African Army was a dream pipe that no African believed in..It was just one of Kaddafy's megalomania. What behind his troubling action in Africa is to weaken (at least in his mind) Algeria and it is for that reason that he financed Sarkozy election, which proved later , a very bad move.

for many people far from africa, the genius of muammar gaddafi is easier to see... i don't give any credibility to psychiatry... "bipolar" could be applied now to any genius inventor or political leader of the past... i myself can be called by others as "bipolar" for talking about clock-less microprocessors and communism...

Kadaffy was anything but a genius. He was a bedouin and he saw the world with a bedouin eye. During his earliest year of power, Boumediene shepherd him in the 70's and kept his youth revolutionary zeal to a manageable level. Kaddafy was fond of Boumediene and Libya was a great help to Algeria, when she took the steps to nationalise the petroleum industry.

libyans have not rejected gaddafi nor have old heroes like carlos ( the jackal )... i myself participate in the "world jamahiriya movement" which has people from russia to australia to europe to north america.

Really you can't read the Libyans by the image aired by the Jamahirya TV. Lybian , like in the majority of the MENA region have no voice and dissent is severely reprimanded .

and remember, algeria and zimbabwe were the only two african governments in 2011 who spoke or acted against the nato invasion of libya... the rest kept quiet... mike2000 has said this earlier in the thread.

South Africa too.
Algeria knew well what the dismantling will bring to the area. Like I said Kaddafy was a disruptive old man in the neighborhood, but he was manageable.