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KF21/IFX production facility in Indonesian Aerospace. The picture has been around since about 4 months ago but I dont post it here before I can get confirmation that robotic system shown on the picture really belongs to Indonesian Aerospace. Now I have got confirmation from Indonesian Aerospace engineer who involve in KFX/IFX program. The production facility hasnt completed yet, more money needs to be invested, but it is not just empty building/hangar like some member in other forum always claim.
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This is export data of Indonesian Aerospace (PT Dirgantara Indonesia) 2015-2019
1. Planes
2. Aerostructure ( components).
3. Engineering service ( design, system integration, etc). We can see KAI Korea and it is actually related to KF21/IFX program where 116 Indonesian engineers take part in the design process.
4. Maintenance, Repair, and Overhaul
This is what Engineering service look like. IPTN North America, Inc is Indonesia Aerospace subsidiary company who is located in Seattle USA. https://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/about/subsidiaries
1. Planes
2. Aerostructure ( components).
3. Engineering service ( design, system integration, etc). We can see KAI Korea and it is actually related to KF21/IFX program where 116 Indonesian engineers take part in the design process.
4. Maintenance, Repair, and Overhaul
This is what Engineering service look like. IPTN North America, Inc is Indonesia Aerospace subsidiary company who is located in Seattle USA. https://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/about/subsidiaries
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Is that a KFX production factory
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Yup, but we still needs to invest more, we are just invested less than half of what is needed for KF21/IFX production facility. This is just for minimum production facility, if the order from Indonesian defense Minister is many, than more facility needs to be made to speed up production process.
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Finally, Indonesian journalist, which is now represented by Kompas, the most respected Indonesian print media beside Tempo, makes a long report about KF 21/IFX program by using our own source (Bappenas Head (Minister of Planning), Ministry of Defense spoke person, Finance Ministry spokesperson, Foreign Ministry high official and spokesperson ) instead of just translating Korean media like Yonhap. Although a bit confusing as in the end of the report, Kompas put Reuters/AFP as source.
I have urged Indonesian journalist to be more creative in making news about KF21/IFX, something that should be easily done since many good sources can be used to make the report from PTDI, Defense Ministery, Bappenas, Minister of Finance, ITB lectures and former Air Force generals/ pilots.
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Coming from Google Translate and the photo comes from other source since I cannot copy paste all of their infographic and pictures posted in the report.
By B JOSIE SUSILO HARDIANTO
21 November 2021 07:51 WIB·
KF-21 “Game Changer” Project
South Korea together with Indonesia developed a fighter aircraft now named KF-21 Boramae. The move can be a milestone towards independence.
Proudly, South Korean President Moon Jae-in attended the Seoul International Aerospace & Defense Exhibition or ADEX sitting in the back seat of an FA-50 fighter jet. In front of hundreds of invited guests in attendance, Moon expressed his pride in the FA-50's performance. He praised his state -made fighter jets.
"I can feel the greatness of the FA-50 that we developed with our own technology," said Moon. He further stressed that it was time for the South Korean arms industry to become a global leader. He also expressed his support for the strengthening of the South Korean military which aims to build defense forces and cultivate peace.
The statement cannot be separated from the awareness of the situation and challenges in the region. For the record, before ADEX was held, in mid -October North Korea tested their ballistic missiles.
To support the strengthening of the domestic alutsista industry, South Korea has set aside at least 80 percent of its budget for the purchase of alutsista and its spare parts from domestic manufacturers. Its main focus is on a number of areas needed for future wars, such as artificial intelligence, drones, robots, and space.
"We envision a smart, but strong military based on advanced science and technology, and promote peace together with the international community," Moon added.
On the other hand, independence in the field of defense also boosted the South Korean foreign exchange. Based on data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the value of South Korean arms exports in the period 2016-2020 increased 210 percent higher than the export value of the period 2011-2015. Indonesia is one of the major users of South Korean products, including the KT-1 Woongbi, T-50i Golden Eagle, Changbogo submarine, and LPD.
Read also: RI-South Korea Continues Manufacture of KFX Fighter Aircraft
Related to defense cooperation, since 2014, Seoul and Jakarta have agreed to develop a 4.5-generation fighter aircraft, the KFX-IFX. Last April, at the headquarters of Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI), President Moon led the launch ceremony of the KFX prototype. In the ceremony attended by the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Indonesia Prabowo Subianto, KFX got a new name, KF-21 Boramae.
In the future, the Boramae developed to replace the US-made F-4 and F-5 will be the backbone of the South Korean Air Force. Despite the class difference and not as sophisticated as the US-made F-35, the technology embedded in the GE414-400K engine aircraft is quite qualified. In addition to the AESA radar developed by Hanwha Systems, Boramae is also projected to be capable of carrying a long -range missile, the Meteor.
Boramae, which is one of the milestones of South Korean military technology, marks what Moon calls a new era of South Korean national defense independence. "Whenever we need it, we can make it," Moon said.
That independence made South Korea not only profitable strategically, but also economically. In addition to increasing the capacity and capability of the domestic defense industry, exports of military products also spur economic growth. Dependence on the US as the main supplier of defense equipment to Seoul can also be gradually reduced.
Indonesia's involvement in the KF-21 project for a number of parties in the country is expected to trigger the same hope. Indonesia has become more independent in fulfilling defense equipment/weapons, including strategic defense equipment/ weapons.
Once covered in uncertainty since 2018 due to stagnation in funding, Indonesia at the beginning of this month finally agreed to continue to be involved in the development of the project. After a lengthy negotiation process, in addition to being exempted from the payment of value added tax on Boramae, which will become part of Indonesia, the payment by Jakarta for the project was also revised to 1.35 billion US dollars.
Independence
For some, the long -term sustainability of the project is a relief. The reason is, until now, for the fulfillment of fighter jets, Indonesia still depends on other countries. Indonesia is currently in the process of discussing the procurement of Rafale from France and F-15EX from the United States.
In a written reply sent to Kompas, the Public Relations Bureau of the Secretariat General of the Ministry of Defense (Ministry of Defense) mentioned that for the Rafale fighter aircraft procurement agreement, the Ministry is still waiting for the determination of the source of funding from the Ministry of Finance. For the procurement of F-15EX, the current position is still in the negotiation stage between the US and Indonesia.
Read also: RI-South Korea Continues Manufacture of KFX Fighter Aircraft
With the Rafale and F-15EX procurement plans, the F-16 Viper purchase plan will be diverted to the F-15EX procurement. Related to SU-35, as reported, although the purchase contract has been signed, so far it is still constrained by CAATSA and OFAC sanctions from the US.
No wonder if the continuity of the KF-21/IFX development process can open the door of hope. Moreover, as conveyed by the Public Relations Bureau of the Secretariat General of the Ministry of Finance, the continuation of cooperation refers to the decision of President Joko Widodo. The cooperation is expected to be implemented in real steps to increase Indonesia's ability to build its infrastructure independently.
In the KF-21/IFX project, the national defense industry involved is PT Dirgantara Indonesia. "As a result of initial discussions with South Korea, PT Dirgantara Indonesia (Persero) asked to be the sole supplier (50 percent) of wings, tails, and other parts or (pylons)," said the Public Relations Bureau of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
In a separate interview, Bappenas Chief Suharso Monoarfa assessed the importance of the national defense industry's involvement in defense equipment procurement. Indonesia, according to him, has experience in making airplanes.
In addition to being able to design aircraft platforms, including the CN235 and N250, Indonesia is currently in the global supply chain for Airbus, Boeing, and Embraer. Indonesia, according to Suharso, has a capacity that cannot be underestimated.
Referring to the development of the N250, Indonesia has mastered aircraft design since the 1990s. Indonesia was even able to fly the N250, which has the ability to fly by wire, in August 1995. The aircraft was 100 percent built by Indonesian experts.
Also read: F-16 Viper, F-15EX, Rafale, or SU-35
"Making the aircraft that is important is the design, avionics, radar, electricity, etc. will adapt to the design and construction of the aircraft," said Suharso.
Regarding KF-21/IFX, Suharso argued that Indonesia also wants to have the strength to build its defense industry. On the other hand, according to him, there is a need for appropriate and wide spatial support for Indonesian researchers and experts to develop themselves.
KOMPAS/ANGGER PUTRANTO
A number of F-16 aircraft maneuvered in the TNI Joint Exercise entitled Dharma Yudha 2019 in Situbondo, Wednesday (11/9/2019). As many as 12,000 soldiers from three levels of the TNI held a war simulation rehearsal based on the integration of communications via satellite or known as Network Centric Warfare.
Military technology engineering, according to him, such as passive radar, to design and build aircraft can be used for civilian interests, such as mitigation and disaster response. In addition, Indonesia also needs to maintain the sustainability of the technology it already has, including fighter aircraft technology obtained from the ownership of F-16s and T-50s.
Trust
In the perspective of international cooperation, sustainability is important to build mutual trust, both bilaterally and globally. Referring to the data of the Investment Coordinating Agency (BKPM), the realization of investment from South Korea is uphill.
In the first quarter of 2021, South Korean investment realization ranked third after Singapore and China. Its value reached 851.1 million US dollars, higher than the realization of US and Japanese investments, which were 447.1 million US dollars and 322.7 million US dollars, respectively. That achievement cannot be separated from the close Special Strategic Partnership between Indonesia and South Korea.
Contacted separately, the Director General of Asia Pacific and Africa of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Abdul Kadir Jailani, said that opportunities for cooperation with South Korea in the field of defense or alutsista remained wide open. "One of them can be seen from the continuation of the joint fighter aircraft project, which involves national strategic industries. In addition to the field of technology, cooperation is also open to increase human resources in the field, "said Kadir through a message sent through the WhatsApp service.
As BKPM's positive note, Kadir said, the strength of the cooperation was also seen in the realization of South Korean investment in Indonesia. Citing BKPM data, Kadir said that in the second quarter of this year, South Korea's direct investment rose again to 1.1 billion US dollars.
"The increase in South Korean investment in Indonesia is inseparable from the high priority of South Korea towards Indonesia, especially as a special strategic partner. South Korea's New Southern Policy is indeed aimed at increasing cooperation with ASEAN countries, "said Kadir added.
Not surprisingly, the development of KF-21/IFX is expected to be part of the concrete steps of the partnership. In addition, this project could also be an opportunity for Indonesia to go higher independently.
(AFP/Reuters)
www.kompas.id
I have urged Indonesian journalist to be more creative in making news about KF21/IFX, something that should be easily done since many good sources can be used to make the report from PTDI, Defense Ministery, Bappenas, Minister of Finance, ITB lectures and former Air Force generals/ pilots.
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Coming from Google Translate and the photo comes from other source since I cannot copy paste all of their infographic and pictures posted in the report.
By B JOSIE SUSILO HARDIANTO
21 November 2021 07:51 WIB·
KF-21 “Game Changer” Project
South Korea together with Indonesia developed a fighter aircraft now named KF-21 Boramae. The move can be a milestone towards independence.
Proudly, South Korean President Moon Jae-in attended the Seoul International Aerospace & Defense Exhibition or ADEX sitting in the back seat of an FA-50 fighter jet. In front of hundreds of invited guests in attendance, Moon expressed his pride in the FA-50's performance. He praised his state -made fighter jets.
"I can feel the greatness of the FA-50 that we developed with our own technology," said Moon. He further stressed that it was time for the South Korean arms industry to become a global leader. He also expressed his support for the strengthening of the South Korean military which aims to build defense forces and cultivate peace.
The statement cannot be separated from the awareness of the situation and challenges in the region. For the record, before ADEX was held, in mid -October North Korea tested their ballistic missiles.
To support the strengthening of the domestic alutsista industry, South Korea has set aside at least 80 percent of its budget for the purchase of alutsista and its spare parts from domestic manufacturers. Its main focus is on a number of areas needed for future wars, such as artificial intelligence, drones, robots, and space.
"We envision a smart, but strong military based on advanced science and technology, and promote peace together with the international community," Moon added.
On the other hand, independence in the field of defense also boosted the South Korean foreign exchange. Based on data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the value of South Korean arms exports in the period 2016-2020 increased 210 percent higher than the export value of the period 2011-2015. Indonesia is one of the major users of South Korean products, including the KT-1 Woongbi, T-50i Golden Eagle, Changbogo submarine, and LPD.
Read also: RI-South Korea Continues Manufacture of KFX Fighter Aircraft
Related to defense cooperation, since 2014, Seoul and Jakarta have agreed to develop a 4.5-generation fighter aircraft, the KFX-IFX. Last April, at the headquarters of Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI), President Moon led the launch ceremony of the KFX prototype. In the ceremony attended by the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Indonesia Prabowo Subianto, KFX got a new name, KF-21 Boramae.
In the future, the Boramae developed to replace the US-made F-4 and F-5 will be the backbone of the South Korean Air Force. Despite the class difference and not as sophisticated as the US-made F-35, the technology embedded in the GE414-400K engine aircraft is quite qualified. In addition to the AESA radar developed by Hanwha Systems, Boramae is also projected to be capable of carrying a long -range missile, the Meteor.
Boramae, which is one of the milestones of South Korean military technology, marks what Moon calls a new era of South Korean national defense independence. "Whenever we need it, we can make it," Moon said.
That independence made South Korea not only profitable strategically, but also economically. In addition to increasing the capacity and capability of the domestic defense industry, exports of military products also spur economic growth. Dependence on the US as the main supplier of defense equipment to Seoul can also be gradually reduced.
Indonesia's involvement in the KF-21 project for a number of parties in the country is expected to trigger the same hope. Indonesia has become more independent in fulfilling defense equipment/weapons, including strategic defense equipment/ weapons.
Once covered in uncertainty since 2018 due to stagnation in funding, Indonesia at the beginning of this month finally agreed to continue to be involved in the development of the project. After a lengthy negotiation process, in addition to being exempted from the payment of value added tax on Boramae, which will become part of Indonesia, the payment by Jakarta for the project was also revised to 1.35 billion US dollars.
Independence
For some, the long -term sustainability of the project is a relief. The reason is, until now, for the fulfillment of fighter jets, Indonesia still depends on other countries. Indonesia is currently in the process of discussing the procurement of Rafale from France and F-15EX from the United States.
In a written reply sent to Kompas, the Public Relations Bureau of the Secretariat General of the Ministry of Defense (Ministry of Defense) mentioned that for the Rafale fighter aircraft procurement agreement, the Ministry is still waiting for the determination of the source of funding from the Ministry of Finance. For the procurement of F-15EX, the current position is still in the negotiation stage between the US and Indonesia.
Read also: RI-South Korea Continues Manufacture of KFX Fighter Aircraft
With the Rafale and F-15EX procurement plans, the F-16 Viper purchase plan will be diverted to the F-15EX procurement. Related to SU-35, as reported, although the purchase contract has been signed, so far it is still constrained by CAATSA and OFAC sanctions from the US.
No wonder if the continuity of the KF-21/IFX development process can open the door of hope. Moreover, as conveyed by the Public Relations Bureau of the Secretariat General of the Ministry of Finance, the continuation of cooperation refers to the decision of President Joko Widodo. The cooperation is expected to be implemented in real steps to increase Indonesia's ability to build its infrastructure independently.
In the KF-21/IFX project, the national defense industry involved is PT Dirgantara Indonesia. "As a result of initial discussions with South Korea, PT Dirgantara Indonesia (Persero) asked to be the sole supplier (50 percent) of wings, tails, and other parts or (pylons)," said the Public Relations Bureau of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
In a separate interview, Bappenas Chief Suharso Monoarfa assessed the importance of the national defense industry's involvement in defense equipment procurement. Indonesia, according to him, has experience in making airplanes.
In addition to being able to design aircraft platforms, including the CN235 and N250, Indonesia is currently in the global supply chain for Airbus, Boeing, and Embraer. Indonesia, according to Suharso, has a capacity that cannot be underestimated.
Referring to the development of the N250, Indonesia has mastered aircraft design since the 1990s. Indonesia was even able to fly the N250, which has the ability to fly by wire, in August 1995. The aircraft was 100 percent built by Indonesian experts.
Also read: F-16 Viper, F-15EX, Rafale, or SU-35
"Making the aircraft that is important is the design, avionics, radar, electricity, etc. will adapt to the design and construction of the aircraft," said Suharso.
Regarding KF-21/IFX, Suharso argued that Indonesia also wants to have the strength to build its defense industry. On the other hand, according to him, there is a need for appropriate and wide spatial support for Indonesian researchers and experts to develop themselves.
KOMPAS/ANGGER PUTRANTO
A number of F-16 aircraft maneuvered in the TNI Joint Exercise entitled Dharma Yudha 2019 in Situbondo, Wednesday (11/9/2019). As many as 12,000 soldiers from three levels of the TNI held a war simulation rehearsal based on the integration of communications via satellite or known as Network Centric Warfare.
Military technology engineering, according to him, such as passive radar, to design and build aircraft can be used for civilian interests, such as mitigation and disaster response. In addition, Indonesia also needs to maintain the sustainability of the technology it already has, including fighter aircraft technology obtained from the ownership of F-16s and T-50s.
Trust
In the perspective of international cooperation, sustainability is important to build mutual trust, both bilaterally and globally. Referring to the data of the Investment Coordinating Agency (BKPM), the realization of investment from South Korea is uphill.
In the first quarter of 2021, South Korean investment realization ranked third after Singapore and China. Its value reached 851.1 million US dollars, higher than the realization of US and Japanese investments, which were 447.1 million US dollars and 322.7 million US dollars, respectively. That achievement cannot be separated from the close Special Strategic Partnership between Indonesia and South Korea.
Contacted separately, the Director General of Asia Pacific and Africa of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Abdul Kadir Jailani, said that opportunities for cooperation with South Korea in the field of defense or alutsista remained wide open. "One of them can be seen from the continuation of the joint fighter aircraft project, which involves national strategic industries. In addition to the field of technology, cooperation is also open to increase human resources in the field, "said Kadir through a message sent through the WhatsApp service.
As BKPM's positive note, Kadir said, the strength of the cooperation was also seen in the realization of South Korean investment in Indonesia. Citing BKPM data, Kadir said that in the second quarter of this year, South Korea's direct investment rose again to 1.1 billion US dollars.
"The increase in South Korean investment in Indonesia is inseparable from the high priority of South Korea towards Indonesia, especially as a special strategic partner. South Korea's New Southern Policy is indeed aimed at increasing cooperation with ASEAN countries, "said Kadir added.
Not surprisingly, the development of KF-21/IFX is expected to be part of the concrete steps of the partnership. In addition, this project could also be an opportunity for Indonesia to go higher independently.
(AFP/Reuters)
KF-21 Proyek ”Pengubah Permainan”
Korea Selatan bersama Indonesia mengembangkan pesawat tempur yang kini dinamai KF-21 Boramae. Langkah itu dapat menjadi tonggak pencapaian menuju kemandirian.
www.kompas.id
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Not yet, the budget has just been proposed this year, about middle year, so it is impossible we will have budget disbursed this year. The budget is not only to pay the cost share, but also to complete production infrastructure for KF21/IFX program in Indonesia Aerospace facility and separate R&D program still related to the program. InshaAllah next year.
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The South Koreans are a very patient people it seems - far more than i would be!!!
Well Indonesian is with South Korean since the start of the program (2011), despite we dont pay the investment since 2017, our design engineers (116 engineers) are still working until the detail design is completed in 2019 September. They get home in 2020 May, but still do design work for tandem version in Indonesia Aerospace office in Bandung and the production team makes several components for 1,2, and 6 prototypes. Indonesia also paid its financial commitment in the start of 2019. Every year that should be 2 payment according to the deal, in the beginning of the year and in the end of the year.
South Korea also has made some trouble during 2013-2014 due to the changes in administration and waiting for Korean parliament support. It makes the program is delayed for 2 years and Indonesia is patience enough to wait the starting of the program again despite Eurofighter and SAB Gripen offer huge TOT and local manufacturing if we buy their planes. During the delay we also fund our own R&D program related to Stealth fighter program to improve the younger engineers capability before the program starts again, some were going abroad to get Master degree in Western nation university.
As Korean asked Indonesian only to bring experience engineers to Korea ( above 35 years old) so our own program is basically effected due to that Korean requirement. More over, KF21/IFX design with optimum double engine design gets huge pressure in Korea to be dumped as KAI challenge the design made by ADD Korea and Indonesian Aerospace with single Stealth design to lower the production cost and complexity of the program. It is the case during 2013-2014 period. At that time C103 design that become the base of current KF21 design has been made. There are 2 design made and selected during that period.
Indonesian participation is one important factors (beside the support of ADD Korea and South Korea Air Force) that eventually make double engine KF21 design is chosen over single KAI design, South Korean who understand about the program like defense enthusiast "slowman" also see Indonesian factor as very important during the moment where the program gets pressured inside Korean due to high cost and high complexity of double engine design, as well as related to the program continuation itself. It is difficult to dumb a program where a foreign nation has already been part of the program. Indonesia is invited by South Korea to join the program in 2009.
Any way, we are in Indonesia is also patiently waiting for the money to be disbursed by our Finance Minister, Sri Mulyani, soon. She is now having the vital position regarding to the program financing. This Jokowi administration is more on economic centric and see every thing in economic angle, rather different with SBY administration who starts the program in 2011 (MOU in 2009). Despite so, I believe Jokowi as President supports the program after the deal has been reached. He has made the program as priority program in President regulation about defense in 2021. It has political support already, coming directly from President. It is different with Rafale and F15 EX acquisition plan that come out from Defense Minister office and currently havent been approved by Minister of Finance.
Here in Indonesia many are upset with current administration handling on the payment, but we dont have any option left beside waiting and waiting for Sri Mulyani to finally disburse the budget to Minister of Defense.........She basically can use LPDP budget coming from her own Finance ministry budget to finance the program, at least for separate R&D program while payment and production facility investment can be taken from Defense Ministry budget.
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The Ministry of National Defense announced yesterday that South Korea's indigenous Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle (UCAV) will be operated in tandem with KF-21 Boramae fighters.
Known as KAORI-X (가오리-X), South Korea's indigenous UCAV has been under development by Korean Air Aerospace Division (KAL-ASD) and the Agency for Defense Development (ADD) since early-to-mid 2010s.
The latest announcement confirms the theory that Kaori-X UCAV is not a standalone development. Instead, it will be operated alongside KF-21 Boramae in a similar manner as "Loyal Wingman" being developed by Boeing Australia.
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Known as KAORI-X (가오리-X), South Korea's indigenous UCAV has been under development by Korean Air Aerospace Division (KAL-ASD) and the Agency for Defense Development (ADD) since early-to-mid 2010s.
The latest announcement confirms the theory that Kaori-X UCAV is not a standalone development. Instead, it will be operated alongside KF-21 Boramae in a similar manner as "Loyal Wingman" being developed by Boeing Australia.
軍, KF-21·가오리-X 유무인 복합 운용 도입 공식화
[서울=뉴시스] 박대로 기자 = 군이 국산 전투기 KF-21과 국산 무인 스텔스 전투기 가오리-X를 복합 운용하겠다는 계획을 공식화했다
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That's one huge-*** testbed platform for such a small nose-mounted radar. Koreans really have good money to spend. Usually, these testbeds are done on smaller corporate jet-type aircraft.
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