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Is China’s ARJ21 Just A MD-80 Copy Or Is It The Beginning Of China’s Rise In Commercial Aviation?

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China’s bid to become a major player in the global aerospace industry is moving forward, with the recent certification of the ARJ21. Mass production has commenced and the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, or COMAC, reports that it already has 413 orders for the ARJ21 from 19 customers.



The Deputy Director General of China’s Ministry of Industry, equipment industry department, Yang Shuanchang says the aircraft will serve as a model for the development of similar prototypes like the C919, which is expected to be submitted for certification in 2019. Industry observers say the real test of mettle will be the pending certification of the C919.

A United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)-type certification has to be granted as a preliminary condition for any aircraft to be entered into the intensely competitive worldwide aviation market. Boeing and Airbus initially bristled at the potential competition coming from China, in part because the Chinese government has a record of investing heavily in state-run ventures. Those fears were somewhat allayed however since, in spite of these investments, getting the ARJ21 off the ground has taken a decade longer than originally anticipated due to serious issues that arose during the testing phase, calling into the question China’s ability to compete and create indigenous designs.

MD-80 Frankenstein
Early problems with the ARJ21 included avionics and wing cracks. For example, in early static testing, the wings broke or cracked when put under pressure before reaching the average pressure point set by regulators. Because of this, the CAAC limited the plane’s flight envelope during the test program. In addition, tests uncovered faulty wiring. Testing for icing and stall speeds were also postponed. The perpetual problems led aviators and avgeeks to refer to the ARJ21 as an MD-80 Frankenstein with a little CRJ and unreliability mixed in.


The ARJ-21 looks awfully familiar to the original MD-80 shown here. Photo Bill Abbott (Wikipedia)

The ARJ21 is partially built on specs from the old MD80, thanks to the presence of U.S. manufacturers in China. McDonnell Douglas was operating an MD80 manufacturing facility in Shaghai prior to its merger with Boeing, thanks to a lucrative deal inked in the early 90s. During this time period, presses and other parts were shipped from the United States to the Douglas facility. This gave the Chinese access to Western technology.

Once Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas, production of the MD80 ceased, marking the end of an era. After abandoning the final MD80 and MD90 assembly lines in China after about 30 frames, Aviation Industrial Company inherited McDonnell Douglas tooling.

China Announces Regional Airliner Project
It did not take long before China was announcing it’s “new” regional airliner project, unveiling a design that was eerily similar to the MD80 design. COMAC officials in Shanghai vehemently defend the ARJ21 as an original design. However, despite COMAC’s protests to the contrary, it is commonly accepted that the ARJ21 is fundamentally a redesign of the DC9. There is a general consensus throughout the industry that the ARJ21 is an incarnation of the MD-80 airframe as well, especially since the initial phase of the ARJ21 life cycle began after Boeing made an agreement with COMAC to make a larger version of the MD87.

The ARJ21 was originally launched way back in 2002. It is essentially a reengineered MD-80 with a body shrunk down to regional jet dimensions. It features a new wing designed by Antonov and General Electric GE CF34 turbofans. The aircraft, which has been dogged by issues that led to the lengthy certification delays and major redesigns, has a list price of about $30 million which is a fraction of the cost of jets sold in the West. In spite of the lower price tag, the ARJ21 is significantly more expensive to operate since it is much heavier than traditional Western jets, and therefore, consumes much more expensive jet fuel.

The C919: China’s Ace in the Hole?



Flying Ace? COMAC C919 taking off from Shanghai – Pudong International Airport. By Weimeng at www.airliners.net [CC BY-SA 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0)], via Wikimedia Commons)
The airworthiness of China’s next market entrant, the C919, is already being questioned. Comac VP Shi Jianzhong stated that a number of “issues” with the C919 engine and technology that led to delays for the latest second round of testing. It is difficult to determine the actual status due to lack of transparency from Chinese manufacturers. However, Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China executives announced Friday that the C919 testing is back on track. The aircraft is slated to take its third test flight within the next few weeks, if not sooner.


Honeywell navigation systems, Liebherr landing gear and CFM International Leap-1C engines are integrated into the design, even though industry observers say technology powering the C919 is largely out of date. Only time will tell if Chinese Civil Aviation will be established as a major global contender. The aviation community is eyeing the C919 to determine if China will be catapulted into an aviation super power or remain parked at the gate in light of test failures caused by manufacturing problems once again.
 
Yes, because the outer appearance resembles something else, BINGO! must be a copy. what happens when western countries aircraft etc look similar to each other?
 
Yes, because the outer appearance resembles something else, BINGO! must be a copy. what happens when western countries aircraft etc look similar to each other?

Lol! Name another passenger plane with two engines near the tail other than a Douglas one. Two engines on the tail is quite distinctive of Douglas. I think the only other ones were the 717 (which is a variant of the MD-90), A Bombardier regional, and a small Embraer.

China was given a MD-80 license in the 1980's to build aircraft.
http://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/a...e-dragon-license-assembled-super-80s-in-china

"...in fact the MD-82/83 was the first western type to be license constructed in China...the first Chinese assembled aircraft was B-2106 delivered on July 31, 1987...."
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Chinese license built MD-80 series using Douglas' unique design of two rear engines plus the high tail flaps.

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ARJ21

You don't find that an interesting coincidence?
 
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it is a copy, just be relax, china is a developing country, how can one developing country have such technology:yahoo:
 
It has wings it copied birds

Birds reserved the rights to complain.
 
It has wings it copied birds

Birds reserved the rights to complain.

Amazing how a manufacturing site abandoned after making a limited number of aircraft is used to produce original made-to-order planes, that land up looking just like the ones made earlier.

The silly designers forgot that the jigs, tools and fixtures had artificial memory built in, so whatever design was given to be built, only the old aircraft came out. Even if they try to build a J11 on that site, only an MD80 - oops, an ARJ21, what am I thinking? will come out.

Brilliant design and development.
 
Honeywell navigation systems, Liebherr landing gear and CFM International Leap-1C engines are integrated into the design, even though industry observers say technology powering the C919 is largely out of date. Only time will tell if Chinese Civil Aviation will be established as a major global contender. The aviation community is eyeing the C919 to determine if China will be catapulted into an aviation super power or remain parked at the gate in light of test failures caused by manufacturing problems once again.
Dont worry, C919 already has 730 units as confirmed orders in homeground territory as a foundation- not to mention the 458 orders for ARJ21. oh and C929 is coming soon as well.

These means the planes are backed up by domestic orders, regardless of not they would break into the global market. So when that happens, Boeing and Airbus would face their eventual demise in the world's largest growing aviation market in the not so distant future.

Thus, Boeing's and Airbus's duopoly days are numbered.

Oh and China is famous for tit-for-tat tactics in trade. there will always be reciprocal ways to obtain FAA certification in the US and Europe for the ARJ21 and C919(and C929).

PS*the author of the article is that stupid that she dont realise she is displaying signs of fear for all to see? haha.
 
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Lol! name another passenger plane with two engines near the tail other than a Douglas one. Two engines on the tail is quite distinctive of Douglas. I think the only other ones were the 717, A Bombardier regional, and a small Embraer.

so because there are 2 engines near the tail that is an automatic copy, wow! very simplistic point of view. i guess only the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 has such an exclusive privilege to have such a design.

by claiming 'copy' what you are really trying to say is "its a fake clone" , in other words stroking your own fragile ego. basing your entire assumption just on appearance ("look it has two engines near the tail!") and concluding its just a fake says that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You really dont, so lets look at some easily obtainable information about these two aircraft.

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wow you stand correct! i definitely see those 2 engines near the tail, its gotta be a copy just based on that fact alone. white pride ftw!


Lol! name another passenger plane with two engines near the tail other than a Douglas one. Two engines on the tail is quite distinctive of Douglas. I think the only other ones were the 717, A Bombardier regional, and a small Embraer.

you ask me to name 2, but you already named 3... whats wrong with you? i guess what you are trying to say is that they are all copies of the 'Douglas' ahahaah right?
 
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so because there are 2 engines near the tail that is an automatic copy, wow! very simplistic point of view. i guess only the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 has such an exclusive privilege to have such a design.

by claiming 'copy' what you are really trying to say is "its a fake clone" , in other words stroking your own fragile ego. basing your entire assumption just on appearance ("look it has two engines near the tail!") and concluding its just a fake says that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You really dont, so lets look at some easily obtainable information about these two aircraft.

2a9y2jm.jpg


wow you stand correct! i definitely see those 2 engines near the tail, its gotta be a copy just based on that fact alone. white pride ftw!




you ask me to name 2, but you already named 3... whats wrong with you? i guess what you are trying to say is that they are all copies of the 'Douglas' ahahaah right?
don bother.

Unless any1 has hard evidence that the ARJ-21 is a licencesed production of this MD-80, treat all as grapevine fodder.
 
Yes, it's a copy so what! Our copy can fly can yours?
 
Amazing how a manufacturing site abandoned after making a limited number of aircraft is used to produce original made-to-order planes, that land up looking just like the ones made earlier.

The silly designers forgot that the jigs, tools and fixtures had artificial memory built in, so whatever design was given to be built, only the old aircraft came out. Even if they try to build a J11 on that site, only an MD80 - oops, an ARJ21, what am I thinking? will come out.

Brilliant design and development.
Another genius analysis, judging a plane designed using the latest modern techniques with latest avionics and engine with an 1980s aircraft. The acid is strong in this one. :rofl:

Yes, it's a copy so what! Our copy can fly can yours?
They get angry when I say LCA is a mirage clone.
 
Oh and China is famous for tit-for-tat tactics in trade. there will always be reciprocal ways to obtain FAA certification in the US and Europe for the ARJ21 and C919(and C929).

It will be sooner than you think.

China's domestically made passenger aircraft C919 took a step forward this month in entering the US market, following a bilateral airworthiness agreement that will support the reciprocal recognition of each country's civil aviation products.

An airworthiness certificate issued by an acceptable authority is the basic prerequisite for the sale and operation of any aircraft. The signing of the new agreement means the US has fully recognized Chinese authorities' airworthiness measures, and that recognition opens the door of the US market to Chinese-made aircraft after they receive their airworthiness certificates from the Civil Aviation Administration of China.



http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1072163.shtml
 
Another genius analysis, judging a plane designed using the latest modern techniques with latest avionics and engine with an 1980s aircraft. The acid is strong in this one. :rofl:


They get angry when I say LCA is a mirage clone.

Yeah, right. Just like the ARJ21 was built in an MD80 factory, the Tejas was built in a Mirage factory.

That is why the Chinese are top dogs. They know everything.
 
Yeah, right. Just like the ARJ21 was built in an MD80 factory, the Tejas was built in a Mirage factory.

That is why the Chinese are top dogs. They know everything.
No no no, don't get me wrong, Tejas are just Mirage clone in terms of design, the manufacturing quality is no where near the French original bhai. :rofl:
 
Yeah, right. Just like the ARJ21 was built in an MD80 factory, the Tejas was built in a Mirage factory.

That is why the Chinese are top dogs. They know everything.

"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Sir Isaac Newton.

Nothing wrong with that! :D
 

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