Iran's Hormoz-2, worlds first anti-radiation ballistic missile

[Penguin]

The Ghadir and Sepehr OTH radars can provide this.

Maybe. Radar (even OTH-B) isn't infallable and can be spoofed.

But nuclear reactors are

That's not what we usually take 'anti radiation missile' to mean.

 

[Itachi]

But nuclear reactors are

I don't think carriers emit that much radiation for a missile to catch on it from 100+ km

But I can be wrong? @Penguin confirmation?

 

[Penguin]

At the farthest, the Arabian peninsula is ~500 km from Iranian coast (number is lesser than 500 km) and at the least, the coast of the Arabian peninsular is <40 km from Iranian coast (or an island in the Hormuz strait). So any ships (or a carrier for discussions sake) will be tracked in & out of the Gulf. Later in time, it's just a matter of time when a UAV, an aircraft or a sub catches the signature of the aircraft carrier while staying within International or Iranian waters.

Simply said, there's not that much room for any vessel to hide nearby Iranian coastline.

You can count on it those ships will not make it easy. Luckily carriers (note the plural) can strike from outside the Persian Gulf too and if Russian missiles can hit Syria from the Caspian Sea, the reverse rout is also possible.

 

[Itachi]

You can count on it those ships will not make it easy.

So the Americans will bring their ships out of the Persian Gulf & then attack Iran?

If Iran employs HUMINT around US bases in the Persian Gulf (and I'm sure it does) will have know when/if the vessels leave the Gulf and if they do, then they will know what's up. And afterwards, battle plans will be in full motion (or at least the preparation for war).

Caspian Sea, the reverse rout is also possible

How will the US attack from the Caspian Sea?

1) It's land locked 2) They won't be able to exit in time and knowing there is so much place to go, they can be easily tracked by decoy missiles (used as mobile radars) 3) They will be killed

Let's not go into what will happen if the carries attack...

 

[Tokhme khar]

bahaaaa............Penguin can attack from underwater too, and jump out on ice........didn't you know?........lol

Fully loaded or partially loaded the best a super hornet can manage in combat radius is about 500 miles.........unless we make super hornet into penguin hornet!

Then it can go underwater and jump out inside caspian sea, when carrier is in diego garcia 2000 miles from Iran. lol

So the Americans will bring their ships out of the Persian Gulf & then attack Iran?

If Iran employs HUMINT around US bases in the Persian Gulf (and I'm sure it does) will have know when/if the vessels leave the Gulf and if they do, then they will know what's up. And afterwards, battle plans will be in full motion (or at least the preparation for war).



How will the US attack from the Caspian Sea?

1) It's land locked 2) They won't be able to exit in time and knowing there is so much place to go, they can be easily tracked by decoy missiles (used as mobile radars) 3) They will be killed

Let's not go into what will happen if the carries attack...

 

[Itachi]

bahaaaa............Penguin can attack from underwater too, and jump out on ice........didn't you know?........lol

Fully loaded or partially loaded the best a super hornet can manage in combat radius is about 500 miles.........unless we make super hornet into penguin hornet!

Then it can go underwater and jump out inside caspian sea, when carrier is in diego garcia 2000 miles from Iran. lol

500 mi = 804.672 km which is more than enough to attack Iran from stand-off range (JSOW-ER is 500 km range). So let's not go into what will happen if Iran is attacked.

The question is what will happen to the US carrier and other support vessels that are ported in the Persian Gulf & not Diego Garcia

On the other hand, JSOW-C is $719,000, up from $484,000 JSOW-B and $282,000 JSOW-A. Seeing how the cost nearly doubles with each upgrade, my opinion (not verified on JSOW-ER) is the the ER version will be $1 million+; a hefty price for a single missile. Launch 100 of these and there goes a $100 million down the drain (some or most will/can be intercepted by SAM's).

In comparison, if Iran can launch 5-10 AshBM for $1 million, that's pretty cost effective (don't think it's gonna go as low as 100k per BM tho).

 

[Tokhme khar]

U.S can't and won't attack Iran........You and I already know this

We can fantasize about it, but it ain't happening.

Iran sinking the USN is one thing, the complete destruction of the sheikh-dumbs oil facilities is a given by Iranian missiles. This right there prevents anything else from happening, jsow, penguins or superhornets.......it don't matter........the cost/ benefit analysis of attacking Iran has been performed a million times by the U.S. and everytime the answer is the same (use diplomacy to deal with Iran).

500 mi = 804.672 km which is more than enough to attack Iran from stand-off range (JSOW-ER is 500 km range). So let's not go into what will happen if Iran is attacked.

The question is what will happen to the US carrier and other support vessels that are ported in the Persian Gulf & not Diego Garcia

On the other hand, JSOW-C is $719,000, up from $484,000 JSOW-B and $282,000 JSOW-A. Seeing how the cost nearly doubles with each upgrade, my opinion (not verified on JSOW-ER) is the the ER version will be $1 million+; a hefty price for a single missile. Launch 100 of these and there goes a $100 million down the drain (some or most will/can be intercepted by SAM's).

In comparison, if Iran can launch 5-10 AshBM for $1 million, that's pretty cost effective (don't think it's gonna go as low as 100k per BM tho).

 

[Itachi]

U.S can't and won't attack Iran

You & I don't know what the future holds. History has been full of "cant's and wont's". I am not siding with the US or Iran but like I said, the future cannot be foreseen.

Let's end our discussion here since no one else is contributing and we're going off-topic.

 

[AmirPatriot]

I don't think carriers emit that much radiation for a missile to catch on it from 100+ km

But I can be wrong? @Penguin confirmation?

Locate them with OTH radars, shoot the missiles into the location the carriers are at, then use IR sensors for the terminal precise targeting.

 

[Itachi]

OTH radars

What/which ones are those? Link please?

I'm currently ignorant on those types of radars.

 

[AmirPatriot]

What/which ones are those? Link please?

I'm currently ignorant on those types of radars.

https://warisboring.com/iran-can-no...ts-at-long-range-765efd6253e2?gi=6be2e800c306

 

[Penguin]

I don't think carriers emit that much radiation for a missile to catch on it from 100+ km

But I can be wrong? @Penguin confirmation?

There are several thousends of people (4000-6000) embarked on board CVNs: radiation cannot be that high or people would fall sick.

"The occupational radiation doses to crew of nuclear vessels in very small. US Naval Reactors’ average annual occupational exposure was 0.06 mSv per person in 2013, and no personnel have exceeded 20 mSv in any year in the 34 years to then. The average occupational exposure of each person monitored at US Naval Reactors' facilities since 1958 is 1.03 mSv per year."
http://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...ications/transport/nuclear-powered-ships.aspx

 

[Penguin]

So the Americans will bring their ships out of the Persian Gulf & then attack Iran?

If and when there would be a US strike, this may well take place at a time there are no US carriers in the Gulf. Then again, if one is there, then it could become a case of 'use it or loose it'.

If Iran employs HUMINT around US bases in the Persian Gulf (and I'm sure it does) will have know when/if the vessels leave the Gulf and if they do, then they will know what's up. And afterwards, battle plans will be in full motion (or at least the preparation for war).

Smaller than the Caspian Sea, the Persian Gulf is 251,000 km2
That is still quite a bit of real estate (water) to monitor

How will the US attack from the Caspian Sea?

1) It's land locked 2) They won't be able to exit in time and knowing there is so much place to go, they can be easily tracked by decoy missiles (used as mobile radars) 3) They will be killed

Let's not go into what will happen if the carries attack...

Duh. They (Tomahawk carrying SSNs and DDGs) would be in the Med, Arabian Sea, Red Sea or possibly even Black Sea, not the Caspian Sea, silly. CVNs would not operate in the Black Sea.

Consider

Diego Garcia - Teheran is 5,165 km (Indian Ocean)
Haifa - Teheran is 1555km. (Mediterranean Sea)
Muscat - Teheran is 1500km (Gulf of Oman / Arabian Sea)
Batumi - Teheran is 1000km (Black Sea)
Jeddah - Bandar Busher is 1400 km (Red Sea)

Block II TLAM-A – 1,350 nmi (1,550 mi; 2,500 km)
Block III TLAM-C, Block IV TLAM-E – 900 nmi (1,000 mi; 1,700 km)
Block III TLAM-D – 700 nmi (810 mi; 1,300 km)
JASSM-ER – 1,000km
JASSM – 370+ km

Combat radius for an carrier-based F/A18E is 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) on an interdiction mission, exclusive of aerial refuelling. With 370+ km (230 mi) JASSM that gives a strike range of about 1100km unrefueled.

As for land-based assets, JASSM is also carried by e.g. F-16 (550km + 370 km = 920 km strike range, unrefuelled), F-15E (1,270 + 370 = 1640km), B-1B (5,540 + 370 = 5,910 km).

The 5,540 km combat radius B1's would be adding 1000+ km (620 mi) with JASSM-ER. Eventually this missile also will be integrated onto 7,210 km capable B-52, the 1,270 km capable F-15E, and 550 km capable F-16.

 

[VEVAK]

If and when there would be a US strike, this may well take place at a time there are no US carriers in the Gulf. Then again, if one is there, then it could become a case of 'use it or loose it'.


Smaller than the Caspian Sea, the Persian Gulf is 251,000 km2
That is still quite a bit of real estate (water) to monitor



Duh. They (Tomahawk carrying SSNs and DDGs) would be in the Med, Arabian Sea, Red Sea or possibly even Black Sea, not the Caspian Sea, silly. CVNs would not operate in the Black Sea.

Consider

Diego Garcia - Teheran is 5,165 km (Indian Ocean)
Haifa - Teheran is 1555km. (Mediterranean Sea)
Muscat - Teheran is 1500km (Gulf of Oman / Arabian Sea)
Batumi - Teheran is 1000km (Black Sea)
Jeddah - Bandar Busher is 1400 km (Red Sea)

Block II TLAM-A – 1,350 nmi (1,550 mi; 2,500 km)
Block III TLAM-C, Block IV TLAM-E – 900 nmi (1,000 mi; 1,700 km)
Block III TLAM-D – 700 nmi (810 mi; 1,300 km)
JASSM-ER – 1,000km
JASSM – 370+ km

Combat radius for an carrier-based F/A18E is 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) on an interdiction mission, exclusive of aerial refuelling. With 370+ km (230 mi) JASSM that gives a strike range of about 1100km unrefueled.

As for land-based assets, JASSM is also carried by e.g. F-16 (550km + 370 km = 920 km strike range, unrefuelled), F-15E (1,270 + 370 = 1640km), B-1B (5,540 + 370 = 5,910 km).

The 5,540 km combat radius B1's would be adding 1000+ km (620 mi) with JASSM-ER. Eventually this missile also will be integrated onto 7,210 km capable B-52, the 1,270 km capable F-15E, and 550 km capable F-16.

Maybe in a world where 1/3 of the worlds Oil supply wasn't moving through the Persian Gulf that would be possible! But in such a world Iran wouldn't even be in the news! but that's not the world we live in!

To top that off it seems you forgot that Iranian Hezbollah Forces hit an Israeli ship in the Mediterranean & Iranian backed Hothi forces so far have hit several Saudi & UAE ships off the cost of Yemen!

Iran has 30 unsinkable Islands all armed in the Persian Gulf + 30 armed Midget Subs specifically made for the Persian Gulf to top that off Iran has Anti Ship Missiles stationed in Syria & Lebanon for the Mediterranean and in Yemen for the Red Sea

Plus US has over 50 bases within the range of Iranian precision guided ballistic missiles even if they pack up and leave it still wont matter because Iran is not going to be wasting it's missiles on them!

FYI Iran's MAIN Targets will be the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain & Saudi Arabia
If Iran is attack in response Iran will sink every ship UAE, Qatar & Saudi Arabia has in the Persian Gulf!
Every Air Base in UAE, Qatar & Saudi Arabia will be hit
Every Oil facility, refinery, power plant,... in Qatar, UAE & Saudi Arabia will be destroyed
Every port UAE, Qatar, Bahrain & Saudi Arabia have in the Persian Gulf will be wiped out

And Iran will do all this in a single DAY! In a single day Iran will send US puppets in the region into the dark ages!

That's right, Iran's response will be cutting off the cash flow that goes to the U.S. military industrial complex from those puppet stats. Iran will not only destroy their toys but will also cut off their livelihood by taking out every source of income they have.

And the ONLY countries exporting anything out of the Persian Gulf will be Iran & Iraq!

 

[Blue In Green]

Maybe in a world where 1/3 of the worlds Oil supply wasn't moving through the Persian Gulf that would be possible! But in such a world Iran wouldn't even be in the news! but that's not the world we live in!

To top that off it seems you forgot that Iranian Hezbollah Forces hit an Israeli ship in the Mediterranean & Iranian backed Hothi forces so far have hit several Saudi & UAE ships off the cost of Yemen!

Iran has 30 unsinkable Islands all armed in the Persian Gulf + 30 armed Midget Subs specifically made for the Persian Gulf to top that off Iran has Anti Ship Missiles stationed in Syria & Lebanon for the Mediterranean and in Yemen for the Red Sea

Plus US has over 50 bases within the range of Iranian precision guided ballistic missiles even if they pack up and leave it still wont matter because Iran is not going to be wasting it's missiles on them!

FYI Iran's MAIN Targets will be the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain & Saudi Arabia
If Iran is attack in response Iran will sink every ship UAE, Qatar & Saudi Arabia has in the Persian Gulf!
Every Air Base in UAE, Qatar & Saudi Arabia will be hit
Every Oil facility, refinery, power plant,... in Qatar, UAE & Saudi Arabia will be destroyed
Every port UAE, Qatar, Bahrain & Saudi Arabia have in the Persian Gulf will be wiped out

And Iran will do all this in a single DAY! In a single day Iran will send US puppets in the region into the dark ages!

That's right, Iran's response will be cutting off the cash flow that goes to the U.S. military industrial complex from those puppet stats. Iran will not only destroy their toys but will also cut off their livelihood by taking out every source of income they have.

And the ONLY countries exporting anything out of the Persian Gulf will be Iran & Iraq!

So Iran's response to being attacked is to throw the entire region into chaos? I don't wanna sound like a Debbie downer but this sounds a little too much.

(I would of thought that Iranian generals would take a more tactical approach to reciprocal actions rather then just destroying multiple countries and having an even greater humanitarian problem bein created)

Please don't take this the wrong way though.