India's Vikrant vs China's Fujian: Why Made-in-India aircraft carrier outshines Beijing's warship

[etylo]

Here is my reference. You can lick your Verbal diarrhea.

That is not my claim but claim of Chinese state control media "China Daily".


To further complicate things, the J-15 can carry only two tons of weapons while fully fueled. “This would equip it with no more than two YJ-83K and two PL-8 missiles,” thus the “range of the YJ-83K prepared for the fighter will be shorter than comparable YJ-83K missiles launched from larger PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] vessels. The J-15 will be boxed into less than 120 [kilometers] of attack range.”

Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter

In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of ...

greendef.blogspot.com

Chinese English is Junk like any other Chinese Product.

indians are indeed junk proving without any doubt.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

ofcourse.

Radar MFstar much better than its Chinese counterpart.

Offensive weapon: Brahmos is the best.

Defensive weapon: MRSAM which can stop a supersonic missile just 500 away.

Torpedo decoy for protection.

Your destroyers are not better than China they are maintenance prone with so many foreign technology in in them like Israeli AESA/weapons you have BRAHMOUSE they have also YJ12 with similar specifications to your mighty/ Vedic BRAHMOUSE which is clone Soviet era ANTI ship missile named onix
Show me one video of Barak-8 that shows its is capable of intercepting supersonic ANTI ship cruise missiles
If you have Barak-8 then China have FL- 3000 which comparable to US RAM ( rolling airframe missile) because they USES same seeker technology which is INFRARED guiding technology which is more accurate than your radar guided Barak-8 technology

In India, chip and low quality goods is described as Chinese goods irrespective of whether it is Chinese or not. J 15 is a chinese copy of russian plane with 2 ton payload and 120 km range as per the article.

Ok ENDIA IS HYPERPOWER OF THE UNIVERSE NOW HAPPY

 

[Deino]

Here is my reference. You can lick your Verbal diarrhea.

That is not my claim but claim of Chinese state control media "China Daily".

And if you would use your brain you would find out that China Daily is not the original source but only mentioned a report, that was spread by a most unreliable site called WantChinaTimes long ago before being picked up by SINA and then quoted by CD.

And overall ... pure BS, just read Rick Joe's report!

 

[GiantPanda]

Hilarious. A 40K ton STOBAR carrier is better than a 90K ton CATOBAR? lol

In fact, the Vikrant is distinctly inferior to China's two operational 65K ton STOBARs, Liaoning and Shandong. Which by the way are very active unlike the Indian carrier arm which hadn't done an operation cruise in two years.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1554753606875840513

This is the Shandong and this picture is from August of 2022:

India has had no carriers at sea patrolling like this for years. Yet they are bragging about their far smaller new carrier with tiny elevators that was commissioned into their navy with no arrestor cables or radar installed.

 

[Ajamal]

And if you would use your brain you would find out that China Daily is not the original source but only mentioned a report, that was spread by a most unreliable site called WantChinaTimes long ago before being picked up by SINA and then quoted by CD.

And overall ... pure BS, just read Rick Joe's report!

You don't even have a sense to interpret the title of the article. Go to school and learn basic language and English.

Your destroyers are not better than China they are maintenance prone with so many foreign technology in in them like Israeli AESA/weapons you have BRAHMOUSE they have also YJ12 with similar specifications to your mighty/ Vedic BRAHMOUSE which is clone Soviet era ANTI ship missile named onix
Show me one video of Barak-8 that shows its is capable of intercepting supersonic ANTI ship cruise missiles
If you have Barak-8 then China have FL- 3000 which comparable to US RAM ( rolling airframe missile) because they USES same seeker technology which is INFRARED guiding technology which is more accurate than your radar guided Barak-8 technology


Ok ENDIA IS HYPERPOWER OF THE UNIVERSE NOW HAPPY

Are the Chinese missiles comparable to Brahmos in same way in which J20 is comparable to F22? Everything in China is either best or comparable to best like Chinese Universities are comparable to Harvard without giving a single CEO of any multinational.

 

[etylo]

You don't even has a sense to interpret the title of the article. Go to school and lear basic language and English.



Are the Chinese missiles comparable to Brahmos in same way in which J20 is comparable to F22? Everything in China is either best or comparable to best like Chinese Universities are comparable to harward without giving a single CEO of any multinational.

Becos the whites love you slave indian butlers to serve them, you indians are as dogs loyal to them.

 

[Deino]

You don't even has a sense to interpret the title of the article. Go to school and lear basic language and English.

Sorry, but you are such a fool and really have no clue on who I am and what BS you are writing!

 

[DF41]

Are the Chinese missiles comparable to Brahmos in same way in which J20 is comparable to F22? Everything in China is either best or comparable to best like Chinese Universities are comparable to harward without giving a single CEO of any multinational.

Quality of Indian skools and so-called Universities

India’s exams are plagued by cheating

It is a symptom of a poor education system

www.economist.com

This $12 Billion Company Is Getting Rich Off Students Cheating Their Way Through Covid

Meet superspreader Chegg, which has become the most valuable ed-tech company in America by connecting college students to test answers on demand.

www.forbes.com

 

[DF41]

I think I wait to see if planes can land and take off from Vikrant first.



Without bouncing off her deck and becoming submarines

Or Vikrant must wait until the sea is calm and mirror smooth first

I think with very high odds that half the planes that try to take off will be submarines.
And those landing will rather land on the waves and take their chances with sharks instead

 

[Ajamal]

I think I wait to see if planes can land and take off from Vikrant first.



Without bouncing off her deck and becoming submarines

Or Vikrant must wait until the sea is calm and mirror smooth first

I think with very high odds that half the planes that try to take off will be submarines.
And those landing will rather land on the waves and take their chances with sharks instead

China’s Aircraft Carrier Trouble—Spewing Steam and Losing Power​

‘Liaoning’ shut down during recent sea trials​

There’s no more of a conspicuous and potent symbol of China’s growing naval power than the aircraft carrier Liaoning.
But the 53,000-ton, 999-foot-long carrier could be dangerous to her crew and prone to engine failures. If so, that makes the vessel as much of a liability as an asset to Beijing.
The ex-Soviet carrier once went by the name Varyag until a cash-strapped Ukraine sold the ship to Beijing in 1998. The Chinese navy has since invested considerable resources into modernizing the warship and testing her at sea.
But on at least one occasion during recent sea trials, Liaoning appeared to suffer a steam explosion which temporarily knocked out the carrier’s electrical power system. The failure, reported by Chinese media site Sina.com, resulting from a leak in “the machine oven compartment to the water pipes.”
We’re only able to glimpse at the carrier’s engine problems, as we know very little about what’s inside the ship. This includes even what kind of engines Liaoning has.
The Chinese government also doesn’t like to admit to problems with its military hardware. When it does—and that’s never guaranteed—the admissions often come months or years after problems come up.

The Liaoning battle group during sea trials. Photo via China Defense Blog. At top—Varyag under tow. Photo via Naval War College/Wikimedia
During the accident, hot water and steam began “spewing” out of the engine’s oven compartment, Sina.com reported. One cabin became “instantly submerged in water vapor,” the report added.
The carrier then lost power, but the crew “eventually restored power to ensure the smooth operation of the ship.”
Fortunately, this doesn’t appear to have been a catastrophic boiler failure of the kind that would unleash almost instantaneously lethal, high-pressure steam. It’s possible Liaoning instead suffered a low-pressure steam release involving a faulty heat exchanger. Vessels commonly use heat exchangers to control water temperature necessary for regulating internal power and heating.
The Chinese navy began modernizing the ex-Varyag in 2005—essentially rebuilding the carrier from the inside. New electronics, self-defense anti-aircraft guns and new engines were just some of the upgrades. The warship in her unimproved condition was a “basket case,” an unnamed officer told the Website.
Engine failures are not an unknown phenomenon aboard ex-Soviet carriers. The 40,000-ton displacement Indian carrier Vikramaditya—first a Soviet Kiev-class carrier commissioned in 1987 and sold in 2004—temporarily shut down at sea after a boiler overheated two years ago.
The 50,000-ton Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov also goes nowhere without a tug escort in case her engines break down while underway.

The Chinese navy isn’t going to get rid of Liaoning any time soon. She’s Beijing’s first serviceable carrier and the ship is a valuable resource for naval flight operations. Even if China never sends her into battle, she’s useful for training and learning how carriers work.
But powerplant problems can also make it so China can do little else. Failures can add costly repairs, shorten the vessel’s lifespan and force her to crawl along the water at slow speeds. Beijing also lacks large overseas naval bases—a necessity if trouble arises while Liaoning sails far from China’s shores.
If she ever does. Liaoning is more alike to its ex-Soviet cousins than different—confined to home ports and restricted from challenging rivals like India.
“Since China began to send navy convoys on anti-piracy missions to the Gulf of Aden and the Somali coast in 2008,” military analyst Liu Zhongmin wrote in Global Times in 2010. “The lack of overseas bases has emerged as a major impediment to the Chinese navy’s cruising efficiency.”
Now add the possibility of engine problems.
Update Oct. 24: James Holmes of the Naval War College urges skepticism on Liaoning’s troubles. Naval mishaps are not unusual, after all. “More likely, she suffered an engineering fault of an inglorious but all-too-common type,” Holmes writes. “One imagines Chinese seafarers will muddle through — much as their brethren do in other navies.”

China’s Aircraft Carrier Trouble—Spewing Steam and Losing Power

‘Liaoning’ shut down during recent sea trials

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Chinese A/C with steaming engine and mighty J 15 with 2 ton payload will kill US aircraft carrier.

Chinese frigate said to be disabled, drifting in Indian ocean​

Posted in Accidents by Mikhail Voytenko on Jul 09, 2017 at 15:56.



Online news outlet East Pendulum said Chinese Type 052D frigate DDG-173 CHANGSHA broke down in Indian ocean while en route to Baltic sea, to take part in joint China-Russia naval exercise Joint Sea 2017. East Pendulum is referring to an anonymous China military source. CHANGSHA, according to East Pendulum, suffered propulsion failure and is drifting since at least June 26, with replenishment ship LUOMAHU (Qiandaohu-class or Type 903, displacement 23.400) nearby. A Chinese squadron to take part in Baltic sea exercises (which exercises already stirred some fears in Baltic States – Voytenko Mikhail), therefore, is reduced to frigates Hefei and Yuncheng only.
The Type 052D destroyer (NATO code name Luyang III class, or Kunming class after the lead ship) is a class of guided missile destroyers being deployed by the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy Surface Force – see article on Type 052D destroyers at

Chinese frigate said to be disabled, drifting in Indian ocean

Online news outlet East Pendulum said Chinese Type 052D frigate DDG-173 CHANGSHA broke down in Indian ocean while en route to Baltic ...

www.fleetmon.com

Now China will send couple of towing ships with each destroyer to tow them back from Battle field.

 

[Beast]

China’s Aircraft Carrier Trouble—Spewing Steam and Losing Power​

‘Liaoning’ shut down during recent sea trials​

There’s no more of a conspicuous and potent symbol of China’s growing naval power than the aircraft carrier Liaoning.
But the 53,000-ton, 999-foot-long carrier could be dangerous to her crew and prone to engine failures. If so, that makes the vessel as much of a liability as an asset to Beijing.
The ex-Soviet carrier once went by the name Varyag until a cash-strapped Ukraine sold the ship to Beijing in 1998. The Chinese navy has since invested considerable resources into modernizing the warship and testing her at sea.
But on at least one occasion during recent sea trials, Liaoning appeared to suffer a steam explosion which temporarily knocked out the carrier’s electrical power system. The failure, reported by Chinese media site Sina.com, resulting from a leak in “the machine oven compartment to the water pipes.”
We’re only able to glimpse at the carrier’s engine problems, as we know very little about what’s inside the ship. This includes even what kind of engines Liaoning has.
The Chinese government also doesn’t like to admit to problems with its military hardware. When it does—and that’s never guaranteed—the admissions often come months or years after problems come up.

The Liaoning battle group during sea trials. Photo via China Defense Blog. At top—Varyag under tow. Photo via Naval War College/Wikimedia
During the accident, hot water and steam began “spewing” out of the engine’s oven compartment, Sina.com reported. One cabin became “instantly submerged in water vapor,” the report added.
The carrier then lost power, but the crew “eventually restored power to ensure the smooth operation of the ship.”
Fortunately, this doesn’t appear to have been a catastrophic boiler failure of the kind that would unleash almost instantaneously lethal, high-pressure steam. It’s possible Liaoning instead suffered a low-pressure steam release involving a faulty heat exchanger. Vessels commonly use heat exchangers to control water temperature necessary for regulating internal power and heating.
The Chinese navy began modernizing the ex-Varyag in 2005—essentially rebuilding the carrier from the inside. New electronics, self-defense anti-aircraft guns and new engines were just some of the upgrades. The warship in her unimproved condition was a “basket case,” an unnamed officer told the Website.
Engine failures are not an unknown phenomenon aboard ex-Soviet carriers. The 40,000-ton displacement Indian carrier Vikramaditya—first a Soviet Kiev-class carrier commissioned in 1987 and sold in 2004—temporarily shut down at sea after a boiler overheated two years ago.
The 50,000-ton Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov also goes nowhere without a tug escort in case her engines break down while underway.

The Chinese navy isn’t going to get rid of Liaoning any time soon. She’s Beijing’s first serviceable carrier and the ship is a valuable resource for naval flight operations. Even if China never sends her into battle, she’s useful for training and learning how carriers work.
But powerplant problems can also make it so China can do little else. Failures can add costly repairs, shorten the vessel’s lifespan and force her to crawl along the water at slow speeds. Beijing also lacks large overseas naval bases—a necessity if trouble arises while Liaoning sails far from China’s shores.
If she ever does. Liaoning is more alike to its ex-Soviet cousins than different—confined to home ports and restricted from challenging rivals like India.
“Since China began to send navy convoys on anti-piracy missions to the Gulf of Aden and the Somali coast in 2008,” military analyst Liu Zhongmin wrote in Global Times in 2010. “The lack of overseas bases has emerged as a major impediment to the Chinese navy’s cruising efficiency.”
Now add the possibility of engine problems.
Update Oct. 24: James Holmes of the Naval War College urges skepticism on Liaoning’s troubles. Naval mishaps are not unusual, after all. “More likely, she suffered an engineering fault of an inglorious but all-too-common type,” Holmes writes. “One imagines Chinese seafarers will muddle through — much as their brethren do in other navies.”

China’s Aircraft Carrier Trouble—Spewing Steam and Losing Power

‘Liaoning’ shut down during recent sea trials

medium.com

Chinese A/C with steaming engine and mighty J 15 with 2 ton payload will kill US aircraft carrier.

Thanks for pulling this fake article from no way. Still can't prove Chinese aircraft carrier are in any way Inferior to India one.

 

[Ajamal]

Thanks for pulling this fake article from no way. Still can't prove Chinese aircraft carrier are in any way Inferior to India one.

Fake Article or Article on Fake Destroyer???

Sorry, but you are such a fool and really have no clue on who I am and what BS you are writing!

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[DF41]

I wear the cap with pride

ALL CHINESE WILL BE HAPPY TO WEAR THAT CAP, AND WITH PRIDE

 

[Beast]

Fake Article or Article on Fake Destroyer???

Anything from India is fake. The whole world knows that.

 

[GamoAccu]

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Sorry, but you are such a fool and really have no clue on who I am and what BS you are writing!

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