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Indian SSN project revealed for the first time as govt mulls a rapid growth in sub fleet.

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NEW DELHI: There is finally some urgency being shown to rescue India's ageing and depleting underwater combat arm. The approval for two long-pending projects, one for construction of six advanced diesel-electric submarines and the other for six nuclear-powered ones, is well on the cards now.

Sources said the finance ministry has asked the defence ministry to "club" the separate projects to "draft a single note" for the requisite nod from Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). "The two projects have been languishing for long in the files being exchanged between the two ministries. The government seems serious about fast-track approvals this time," said a source.

The approvals, when they come, will not be a day too soon since India is down to just 13 old diesel-electric submarines, barely half of which are operational at any given time, and a single nuclear-propelled submarine INS Chakra on lease from Russia without any long-range missiles.

It takes at least seven to eight years for the first submarine to roll out once its construction project actually gets underway. The two projects will together entail a cost of well over Rs 1 lakh crore spread over 10-15 years.

'Project-75India' for the six conventional submarines, armed with both land-attack missiles and air-independent propulsion (AIP) for greater underwater endurance, was granted "acceptance of necessity'' in November 2007, as was reported earlier by TOI.

But the global tender r to select the foreign collaborator for it is yet to be even issued. As per the existing plan, the first two submarines will be imported to save time, while three will be constructed at Mazagon Docks (Mumbai), and the sixth at Hindustan Shipyard (Visakhapatnam).

The project to build the six SSNs (nuclear-powered attack submarines, usually without nuclear-tipped missiles), in turn, is to be undertaken at the secretive ship-building centre (SBC) at Vizag. India's first three SSBNs (nuclear-powered attack submarines, usually without nuclear-tipped missiles), in turn, is to be undertaken at the secretive ship-building centre (SBC) at Vizag. India's first three SSBNs (nuclear-powered submarines with nuclear ballistic missiles) are already being built at the SBC to complete the country's nuclear weapons triad - the capability to fire nukes from land, air and underwater. The expertise gained in the construction of the SSBNs will help the SSN project, said sources.

The first SSBN, the 6,000-tonne INS Arihant, is slated to go for extensive sea trials soon after its miniature 83 mw pressurized light-water reactor, which went "critical" in August last year, attains "full power" in another month or so. The second, INS Aridhaman, is also to be "launched into water" soon with its hull and basic structure ready.

China, incidentally, has five nuclear and 51 conventional submarines. It is poised to induct up to five JIN-class SSBNs, with their new 7,400-km range JL-2 missiles, over the next few years.

India, however, has miserably failed in this arena. It was in 1999 that the CCS had approved a 30-year submarine-building plan, which envisaged induction of 12 new submarines by 2012, followed by another dozen by 2030.

But 15 years later, not a single new submarine has been inducted because of politico-bureaucratic apathy. The first programme, Project-75, was finalized only in 2005 to build six French Scorpene submarines at MDL. It's already running over four years behind schedule, with the first Scorpene now slated for delivery by November 2016 and the other five rolling out thereafter every 8-10 months. Moreover, the Rs 1,800 crore contract to buy 98 heavy-weight torpedoes to arm the submarines is also yet to be inked.

Move to fast-track two submarine projects gathers steam - The Economic Times
 
:o::o::o::o: 7-8 years for one submarine......????

First sub always takes a lot of time, you also have to factor in redesigns and redevelopment, because as an MDL authority
said before, "in shipbuilding, you don't build a prototype". After the first sub, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. should roll off within
1-2 years of each other.
 
That's a lot of time. Shouldn't this be done by larsen & toubro? They claim to have invested a lot in this.

Why should MDL get all the work done?
 
I really dont understand how it is traslated as " revealed SSN project " its just a wish or planning to have SSNs not the project. Even if there is one no one will know till the first one roll out

+ what the F is sub with without N-tipped missile ???
Any CMs that can be fired from torpedo tube can be fitted with whatever warhead you can Assemble or have. Isnt it ???
@sancho @Capt.Popeye
 
I really dont understand how it is traslated as " revealed SSN project " its just a wish or planning to have SSNs not the project. Even if there is one no one will know till the first one roll out

+ what the F is sub with without N-tipped missile ???
Any CMs that can be fired from torpedo tube can be fitted with whatever warhead you can Assemble or have. Isnt it ???
@sancho @Capt.Popeye

Sure. But preferably, SSNs the world over do not use N-tipped missiles from torpedo tubes, or VLS. That strategic
role is left out to SSBNs (with MIRVed ballistic missiles) or sometimes dedicated SSGNs (with both N-tipped and
conventional cruise missiles).
 
Sure. But preferably, SSNs the world over do not use N-tipped missiles from torpedo tubes, or VLS. That strategic
role is left out to SSBNs (with MIRVed ballistic missiles) or sometimes dedicated SSGNs (with both N-tipped and
conventional cruise missiles).
Russians use Klub class missile with N-tip from their SSNs. Don't they ???
 
Russians use Klub class missile with N-tip from their SSNs. Don't they ???

Such info is never really revealed. Anyway, strategic or tactical nuclear attack on land targets is not a job for SSNs.
 
Uh, no. The leased SSN cannot be equipped with N-tipped CMs at all. It's against NPT to which Russia is a signatory.
o_O Is that what stripped off means ???
I am saying the same thing. I write that to tell Russian Akula has 3000km range CM
 
That's a lot of time. Shouldn't this be done by larsen & toubro? They claim to have invested a lot in this.

Why should MDL get all the work done?

to feed the beer bellies of nation's fav children : bureaucracy aka babudom!
 
o_O Is that what stripped off means ???
I am saying the same thing. I write that to tell Russian Akula has 3000km range CM

3000km? I suppose you say 300km? The leased Akula can indeed be armed with 300-km Klub anti-ship CMs, but only
with conventional warheads.
 
I dont know much but
There was an article in Hindu when we lease SSN from Russia. It said the SSN will be stripped off long range N-CMs with 300KM range Klub-S missile already used by IN. ( i couldnt find the article )

Which explains the main difference, because the launch from torpedo tubes limits your weapon of choice to basic cruise missiles with limited range, warhead loads and capabilities. That's however not comparable to Arihant SSBNs using ballistic missiles. An LCA can carry the same LGB, or anti ship missile as an MKI, but can't use Brahmos right?
 
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