Indian Army Buys More BMP-2s as Infantry Combat Vehicle Upgrades Delayed

[Death In Fire]

You can't compare a weapon based on a weapon which itself is in service with dozens of developed nations..

Also the series is heavier,more armoured etx than its predecessors..

Apart from that all armoured vehicles are destructable... What matters is the armour and how much punishment it can take.

Well BMP-2 upgraded are also more armoured and has far better capabilities than it's predecessors.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Well BMP-2 upgraded are also more armoured and has far better capabilities than it's predecessors.

And what are upgrades other ?
Nothing ..

 

[Khafee]

Your a moron. The BMP2 line is in India and is domestic. BMP3 is built in Russia and under lic. prod. by Chin.

Please edit your post.

Thank You.

 

[Inception-06]

Apart from talha none are APCs or MRAPs ... And more than capable of dealing with bmp-2s,, which can even be taken out with RPG-7 hits.

Infantry fighting vehicles are distinct from armoured personnel carriers (APCs), which are transport vehicles armed only for self-defense and not specifically engineered to fight on their own.Western powers were surprised when the Soviet Union paraded the BMP-1, in 1967. The BMP possessed a very low profile and was armed with both a 73 mm smoothbore gun and an AT-3 Sagger ATGM, making it the first combat vehicle with mounted cannon and missiles in addition to a mounted infantry squad.[2] Its steeply-sloped front armour offered full protection against NATO's standard .50 calibre machine gun and partial protection against a 20mm Oerlikon autocannon both in a 60 degree frontal arc, while its armament posed a threat to lighter NATO APCs and even main battle tanks.[2] Soviet infantrymen could thus enter a hypothetical engagement in a vehicle that possessed formidable fighting capability in its own right. This brought combined arms integration to the lowest tactical level.


IN OTHER WORDS.


The BMB-2 is not made for Urban warfare, but its a storm vehicle, which has the task to give a lot of firepower to the indian Infantry troops which it carrys inside, when the troops enter the hot zone, the vehicle will be on distance, it will fire his rockets and grenades from his cannons, his bullets from his board machine gun to open a hole in the enemy line, so that the indian Infantry has the chance to come in contact with the Pakistani Troops, if the indian troops will survive against our defencesive firepower is another question !

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

No need to hurry as Pakistan is also continuing to buy M113 and it's variants.

We arent buying the M113, we've moved on a decade ago.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Apart from talha none are APCs or MRAPs ... And more than capable of dealing with bmp-2s,, which can even be taken out with RPG-7 hits.

It's not supposed to deal with tanks or IFVs, but assault enemy infantry, it's obvious which caliber you want as fire support.

Anyway, the the companies that want to enter the FICV RFI will need to do it by Jan -

We have seen some stuff from TATA -

Wheeled will be off of the Kestrel

And a early tracked prototype was shown briefly

 

[Khafee]

You delighted precious?

You looking for a ban?

 

[Signalian]

PA uses M113 APC to deploy troops on ground behind tanks where contact with enemy is made. Then its foot infantry unloaded from APC and tanks who mount the charge at the enemy. The infantry platoons have AT weapons like RPG-7/9 etc to deal with enemy armour threat be it BMP or tanks, mortars like 60/81mm for indirect fire support especially against hardened bunkers and LMG for suppressive fire power. This way the dismounted infantry provides support with different types of weapons for the assault to take out different types of enemy targets.

While PA tanks take out enemy tanks or IFV with their main guns, the infantry screens the area and fights off dug in enemy infantry, saving not only own tanks from enemy AT ambushes but taking on enemy infantry as well as armour at the same time.
Remember infantry squad has more hands and is handling each different weapon independently, the tank can engage not more than two targets at one time, one from main gun, one from 12.7mm gun. The 7.62 auxiliary weapon rotates alongwith the main gun.

As the infantry and the tanks advance, the M113 APC stay behind at a certain distance, sometimes with AVRE's and other supporting equipment and commanding elements of the battle group. The 12.7mm on M113 is basically envisioned as an AD weapon. It can provide fire support under if made direct contact with the enemy.

when the enemy is routed from its position, the infantry sits back in APC's and the advance is continued alongwith tanks for next contact. The holding formations of PA are then tasked with defending the captured area while the advance continues with main armoured force.

Otherwise infantry takes back wounded to medical stations, collects prisoners and booty, digs in if ordered and deploys heavy weapons for defence of the area. The tanks are reloaded and refuelled. AVRE is used to bring back disabled or destroyed tanks.

The Tank destroyer based on M113 APC chassis is M-901 with dual ATGM TOW launchers, there are just 24 M-901 in PA. The other one is Maaz with Green Arrow ATGM based on Talha APC.

A company of Maaz ATGM can be attached with a mechanized infantry battalion where the threat of tanks is imminent but M-901 and Maaz are best used to bolster defence of an area against advancing enemy tank threat as being elf propelled they can reach farther faster without much delays of preparation and the job is simple, take out enemy tanks and AFV.

Operationally, assembling an infantry squad for this purpose, mounting on trucks, reaching the ops area, dis mounting, digging in and setting the ATGM in a defensive position takes more time. The biggest problem is terrain where the trucks have to travel, if its a road, trucks are faster, if its desert or fields, tanks and APC with tracked chassis are faster.

Problem with TOW and Green Arrow is that the firer has to keep guiding the missile towards its target by a controller. The instructions to missile are sent through a cable. So the firer is engaged towards one target till the target is destroyed.
Also M901/Maaz cannot fire on the move, need to stop and fire, kill the target then move. PA needs better ATGM now, HJ-9 is a good option.

 

[Death In Fire]

And what are upgrades other ?
Nothing ..

Lots actually.Improved night fighting capabilities, better communication, more powerful engine,better fcs, laser range finders, navigation suite etc etc

We arent buying the M113, we've moved on a decade ago.

Your Talha, Saad etc are all based on M113.

 

[Inception-06]

Can anybody post and explain all the infantry vehicles of Pakistan Army plz.....

What do you want to know exactly ?

Our main APC armoured personal carrier is the M-113 a fully tracked armored personnel carrier, all are equipped with 12.7mm gun.

The M113 introduced new aluminum armor that made the vehicle much lighter than earlier vehicles; it was thick enough to protect the crew and passengers against small arms fire but light enough that the vehicle was air transportable and moderately amphibious.


compared to the Indian BMP our M-113 is underpowered in armament.

PA uses M113 APC to deploy troops on ground behind tanks where contact with enemy is made. Then its foot infantry unloaded from APC and tanks who mount the charge at the enemy. The infantry platoons have AT weapons like RPG-7/9 etc to deal with enemy armour threat be it BMP or tanks, mortars like 60/81mm for indirect fire support especially against hardened bunkers and LMG for suppressive fire power. This way the dismounted infantry provides support with different types of weapons for the assault to take out different types of enemy targets.

While PA tanks take out enemy tanks or IFV with their main guns, the infantry screens the area and fights off dug in enemy infantry, saving not only own tanks from enemy AT ambushes but taking on enemy infantry as well as armour at the same time.
Remember infantry squad has more hands and is handling each different weapon independently, the tank can engage not more than two targets at one time, one from main gun, one from 12.7mm gun. The 7.62 auxiliary weapon rotates alongwith the main gun.

As the infantry and the tanks advance, the M113 APC stay behind at a certain distance, sometimes with AVRE's and other supporting equipment and commanding elements of the battle group. The 12.7mm on M113 is basically envisioned as an AD weapon. It can provide fire support under if made direct contact with the enemy.

when the enemy is routed from its position, the infantry sits back in APC's and the advance is continued alongwith tanks for next contact. The holding formations of PA are then tasked with defending the captured area while the advance continues with main armoured force.

Otherwise infantry takes back wounded to medical stations, collects prisoners and booty, digs in if ordered and deploys heavy weapons for defence of the area. The tanks are reloaded and refuelled. AVRE is used to bring back disabled or destroyed tanks.

The Tank destroyer based on M113 APC chassis is M-901 with dual ATGM TOW launchers, there are just 24 M-901 in PA. The other one is Maaz with Green Arrow ATGM based on Talha APC.

A company of Maaz ATGM can be attached with a mechanized infantry battalion where the threat of tanks is imminent but M-901 and Maaz are best used to bolster defence of an area against advancing enemy tank threat as being elf propelled they can reach farther faster without much delays of preparation and the job is simple, take out enemy tanks and AFV.

Operationally, assembling an infantry squad for this purpose, mounting on trucks, reaching the ops area, dis mounting, digging in and setting the ATGM in a defensive position takes more time. The biggest problem is terrain where the trucks have to travel, if its a road, trucks are faster, if its desert or fields, tanks and APC with tracked chassis are faster.

Problem with TOW and Green Arrow is that the firer has to keep guiding the missile towards its target by a controller. The instructions to missile are sent through a cable. So the firer is engaged towards one target till the target is destroyed.
Also M901/Maaz cannot fire on the move, need to stop and fire, kill the target then move. PA needs better ATGM now, HJ-9 is a good option.

Perfectly written and explained on the view of the M-113 and his role in the Pakistan Army.

 

[desimorty]

Problem with TOW and Green Arrow is that the firer has to keep guiding the missile towards its target by a controller. The instructions to missile are sent through a cable. So the firer is engaged towards one target till the target is destroyed.
Also M901/Maaz cannot fire on the move, need to stop and fire, kill the target then move. PA needs better ATGM now, HJ-9 is a good option.

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Market perhaps for indirect top attack weapons. But i'd think next gen MLRS rounds would be far more devastating to armoured columns. Since options via the air are limited, indirect long range anti-armour weapons would be ideal.

 

[Inception-06]

why in op. zarbeazb PA is using Toyota double cabin pick ups instead of using APC etc...PA also received the US leftovers in Afghanistan which include well protected military vehicle.
the biggest threat in zarbeazb are the IEDs and the biggest cause of casualities of soldiers........

Pakistan has not the resources to provide for 200.000 men MRAPS and APC on the eastern front, we should have asked the US, for this equipment before starting or joining the war on terror, even germany had problems to build such a high numbers of MRAPS for his 5000. Troops in Afghanistan.They are also using Jeeps called Mercedes Wolf (not different from our Pick ups). We are the only country which is locating such a large numbers of Troops in the battlefield against the TTP, so what we are doing is more than excellent. No country in the world has brought so much Soldiers in battle in War on terror like Pakistan. Have you lost someone in war ?



We are using the M-113 since 2009, where it makes sense ! But most of battle if fought from house to house or on mountain tops, many casualties did came from ambush attacks one our posts/bunkers, snipers etc. the MRAPS and m-113 is not the solution for everything, better methods of building all seasonal posts, bunkers and hardened watch towers is also a part of the solution. Fast evacuation of injured soldiers is a must !


We must start to build our all seasonal posts, bunkers and hardened watch towers like this example:

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Lots actually.Improved night fighting capabilities, better communication, more powerful engine,better fcs, laser range finders, navigation suite etc etc


Your Talha, Saad etc are all based on M113.

Yes, Israel does the same thing; is there is a problem? But our Talha, Saad and ect... isnt meant to be equivalent to BMP3.

 

[Death In Fire]

Yes, Israel does the same thing; is there is a problem? But our Talha, Saad and ect... isnt meant to be equivalent to BMP3.

What I meant was that it's not that Pakistan is buying M2A2 Bradley's that we need to hurry up.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

And can easily revive PIFV program based on Bradley IFV.

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na karso na karso! when did that happened? I had no info about it.