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Like a lot of countries, India wants the best weapons it can afford. But ideological and financial concerns mean there are a lot of things it won’t buy from the United States or Europe. That pretty much leaves, well, Russia.

India has been a big buyer of Russian weapons for 50 years. Those haven’t been easy years for New Delhi. India’s defense contracts with Russia have consistently suffered delays and cost overruns. And the resulting hardware doesn’t always work.

Of all India’s Russian procurement woes, none speak more to the dysfunctional relationship between the two countries than the saga of INS Vikramaditya. In the early 2000s, India went shopping for a new aircraft carrier. What followed was a military-industrial nightmare.


Wanted—One New(ish) Carrier ::

In 1988, the Soviet Union commissioned the aircraft carrier Baku. She and her four sisters of the Kiev class represented a unique Soviet design. The front third resembled a heavy cruiser, with 12 giant SS-N-12 anti-ship missiles, up to 192 surface-to-air missiles and two 100-millimeter deck guns. The remaining two-thirds of the ship was basically an aircraft carrier, with an angled flight deck and a hangar.

Baku briefly served in the Soviet navy until the USSR dissolved in 1991. Russia inherited the vessel, renamed her Admiral Gorshkov and kept her on the rolls of the new Russian navy until 1996. After a boiler room explosion, likely due to a lack of maintenance, Admiral Gorshkov went into mothballs.

In the early 2000s, India faced a dilemma. The Indian navy’s only carrier INS Viraat was set to retire in 2007. Carriers help India assert influence over the Indian Ocean—not to mention, they’re status symbols. New Delhi needed to replace Viraat, and fast.

India’s options were limited. The only countries building carriers at the time—the United States, France and Italy—were building ships too big for India’s checkbook. In 2004, India and Russia struck a deal in which India would receive Admiral Gorshkov. The ship herself would be free, but India would pay $974 million dollars to Russia to upgrade her.

It was an ambitious project. At 44,500 tons, Admiral Gorshkov was a huge ship. Already more than a decade old, she had spent eight years languishing in mothballs. Indifference and Russia’s harsh winters are unkind to idle ships.

Russia would transform the vessel from a helicopter carrier with a partial flight deck to an aircraft carrier with a launch ramp and a flight deck just over 900 feet long. She would be capable of supporting 24 MiG-29K fighters and up to 10 Kamov helicopters.

She would have new radars, new boilers for propulsion, new arrester wires for catching landing aircraft and new deck elevators. All 2,700 rooms and compartments—spread out over 22 decks—would be refurbished and new wiring would be laid throughout the ship. The “new” carrier would be named Vikramaditya, after an ancient Indian king.

A real aircraft carrier for less than a billion dollars sounds almost too good to be true. And it was.


Shakedown ::

In 2007, just a year before delivery, it became clear that Russia’s Sevmash shipyard couldn’t meet the ambitious deadline. Even worse, the yard demanded more than twice as much money—$2.9 billion in total—to complete the job.

The cost of sea trials alone, originally $27 million, ballooned to a fantastic $550 million.

A year later, with the project still in disarray, Sevmash estimated the carrier to be only 49-percent complete. Even more galling, one Sevmash executive suggested that India should pay an additional $2 billion, citing a “market price” of a brand-new carrier at “between $3 billion and $4 billion.”

For its part, Sevmash claimed that the job was proving much more complicated than anyone had ever imagined. Nobody had tried converting a ship into an aircraft carrier since World War II.

Sevmash specialized in submarine construction and had never worked on an aircraft carrier before. The ship had been originally built at the Nikolayev Shipyards, which after the breakup of the Soviet Union became part of the Ukraine. The tooling and specialized equipment used to build Admiral Gorshkov was thousands of miles away and now in a foreign country.

Like many contractors, defense or otherwise, Sevmash had its unhappy employer over a barrel. With the job halfway done, and having already dropped $974 million, India could not afford to walk away from the deal. Russia knew it, and was blunt about India’s options. “If India does not pay up, we will keep the aircraft carrier,” one defense ministry official told RIA-Novosti.

“There Will Be Grave Consequences”

By 2009, the project was deadlocked and word was starting to get around the defense industry. Russian arms exports for 2009 totaled $8 billion, and Sevmash’s delays and extortionary tactics weren’t good for the Russian defense industry as a whole.

In July 2009, Russia’s then-president Dmitri Medvedev made a high-profile visit to the Sevmash shipyard. Indian news reported that the carrier was still half-done, meaning that the yard had done virtually no work on the ship for two years as it held out for more money.

Medvedev publicly scolded Sevmash officials. “You need to complete [Vikramaditya] and hand it over our partners,” the visibly irritated president told Sevmash general director Nikolai Kalistratov.

“Otherwise,” he added, “there will be grave consequences.”

In 2010, the Indian government agreed to more than double the budget for the carrier to $2.2 billion. This was less than the $2.9 billion Sevmash demanded, and much less than Sevmash’s suggested “market price” of $4 billion.


Suddenly, Sevmash magically started working harder—actually, twice as hard—and finished the other half of the upgrades in only three years. Vikramaditya finally entered sea trials in August 2012 and commissioned into the Indian navy in November 2013.

At the commissioning ceremony, Indian Defense Minister AK Anthony expressed relief that the ordeal was over, telling the press that there was a time “when we thought we would never get her.”


Enduring Woes ::

Now that Vikramaditya is finally in service, India’s problems are over, right? Not by a long shot. Incredibly, India has chosen Sevmash to do out-of-warranty work on the ship for the next 20 years.

Keeping Vikramaditya supplied with spare parts will be a major task in itself. Ten Indian contractors helped to build the carrier, but so did more than 200 other contractors in Russia, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Finland, France, Norway, Poland, Sweden and the U.K. Some countries, particularly Japan, were likely unaware they were exporting parts for a foreign weapons system.

The ship’s boilers, which provide Vikramaditya with power and propulsion, are a long-term concern. All eight boilers are new. But yard workers discovered defects in them. During her trip from Russia to India, the flattop suffered a boiler breakdown, which Sevmash chalked up to poor-quality Chinese firebricks.

China denied ever exporting the firebricks.

Finally, Vikramaditya lacks active air defenses. The ship has chaff and flare systems to lure away anti-ship missiles, but she doesn’t have any close-in weapons systems like the American Phalanx.

India could install local versions of the Russian AK-630 gun system, but missiles will have to wait until the ship is in drydock again—and that could be up to three years from now. In the meantime, Vikramadita will have to rely on the new Indian air-defense destroyer INS Kolkata for protection from aircraft and missiles.

As for Sevmash? After the Vikramaditya fiasco, the yard is strangely upbeat about building more carriers … and has identified Brazil as a possible buyer. “Sevmash wants to build aircraft carriers,” said Sergey Novoselov, the yard’s deputy general director.

That almost sounds like a threat.

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Sevmash did a lot damage to entire Russian defense industry .Look How much deals are signed between India and Western nations ?
All of that perhaps would find their way to Russian pockets .But that single act of extortionary tactics costed them very well.
Now looking in to FGFA .India already lose their trust towards Russian partners now it is India's turn and recently IAF already gave them enough sweat by saying about a possible backing from FGFA project.

But India also did a lot of stupidity .During tendering time there was a lot other shipyards that is experienced in Surface ship construction ,but our dumb Indian officials found out Sevmash because of their lower bid status and didnt care about their Subs only field.
And shit happened.
 
when the deal for Vikramaditya was signed
the only other carrier that was available was the british HMS Invincible
and dat was a 20000 ton Stovl ship
not much capable than the Viraat
other ship like a brand new Italian Cavour class was deemed too expensive
 
No excuses. Our politicans in Congress don;t know shit. A bunch of limp pencil pushers with no real experience in good decision making. This deal was called BS from day 1 but nobody heeded the calls by the lowly common peasant. We already knew this deal was shit before it started. Now you have it.


To think Congres keeps wondering why did they loose the elections.....they keep on pushing Rahul to be their primary candidate for the party when he is so f-ing stupid. The dimwit leading India is exactly what our enemies want and need to slow down India.


This deal and others by Congress smells of high corruption. Anything they touched was tainted heavily by corruption. Time for Indians to wake the f-k up. Seeing you guys scream for Rafael makes me thinkg you guys are f-ing idiots. Now you see the reports coming out about the contracts being so abstract, the French can f-k us when it comes to the pricing on spares.
 
when the deal for Vikramaditya was signed
the only other carrier that was available was the british HMS Invincible
and dat was a 20000 ton Stovl ship
not much capable than the Viraat
other ship like a brand new Italian Cavour class was deemed too expensive

The Russians had you and they stuck it to you for as much as they could.

As you said your only other options were helicopter/STOVL carriers as the US and France aren't going to sell you a catapult nuclear powered aircraft carrier.

Now the Russian's scratch their heads as to why you are buying a ton of stuff from the West. Corruption does them in.
 
Sevmash did a lot damage to entire Russian defense industry .Look How much deals are signed between India and Western nations ?
All of that perhaps would find their way to Russian pockets .But that single act of extortionary tactics costed them very well.

Actually the one has nothing to do with the other, since bought mainly western aircrafts where Russia had no real modern alternative at the moment, while we kept buying an SSN as well as Frigates or carrier fighters from the Russians for the Indian Navy alone.

But India also did a lot of stupidity .During tendering time there was a lot other shipyards that is experienced in Surface ship construction ,but our dumb Indian officials found out Sevmash because of their lower bid status and didnt care about their Subs only field.
And shit happened.

We had no option or the possibility to choose between shipyards, rather than take what the Russians proposed. The real stupid point is, that IN was incompetent to see how much work actually is needed to fix the carrier and how much options that will provide the Russians to play us with cost increases.

when the deal for Vikramaditya was signed
the only other carrier that was available was the british HMS Invincible
and dat was a 20000 ton Stovl ship
not much capable than the Viraat

True, but then again this procurement was considered to be a stop gap, till IAC1 would be available and has turned out to be exactly the opposite, delayed nearly till our own carrier is available and also at comparable costs.
So one has to ask the navy why they didn't went with a known stop gap solution (as a carrier and as fighters with the Sea Harrier), rather than taking such a risk with this carrier?
 
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Actually the one has nothing to do with the other, since bought mainly western aircrafts where Russia had no real modern alternative at the moment, while we kept buying an SSN as well as Frigates or carrier fighters from the Russians for the Indian Navy alone.



We had no option or the possibility to choose between shipyards, rather than take what the Russians proposed. The real stupid point is, that IN was incompetent to see how much work actually is needed to fix the carrier and how much options that will provide the Russians to play us with cost increases.



True, but then again this procurement was considered to be a stop gap, till IAC1 would be available and has turned out to be exactly the opposite, delayed nearly till our own carrier is available and also at comparable costs.
So one has to ask the navy why they didn't went with a known stop gap solution (as a carrier and as fighters with the Sea Harrier), rather than taking such a risk with this carrier?
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Or they blindly trusted Russian words without any doubts.First it was cable and some systems and ultimately we spend money for revamp 90% of Vikramaditya.
Some where I read that a lot of Russian shipyard came forward for modernizing Admiral Gorshkov .
By giving it to the Sevmash India spend money for modernizing shipyard paying salaries to technicians .God knows real estimate.
Any way we should be careful about such deal from Russia ,in case FGFA .We cant trust the business mind of Russians .
Now our CSL can undertake any ACC construction .
 
I really can't blame the Russians they bit off more than they can chew.
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Now imagine, recently some of recent Indian ships were in fire accidents and other damaged due to poor maintenance records.

What if this aircraft carrier INS Vikra (whatever long weird names) would be in another accident again, you will have to pay triple cost and travel to Russia for emergency? Russia will say buckle up to pay more or get lost.
 
Now imagine, recently some of recent Indian ships were in fire accidents and other damaged due to poor maintenance records.

What if this aircraft carrier INS Vikra (whatever long weird names) would be in another accident again, you will have to pay triple cost and travel to Russia for emergency? Russia will say buckle up to pay more or get lost.

Is it necessary to sound silly even if you are not ?

Do you think we do not find Islamic names to be silly ? Yet out of respect we do not desecrate them.

You wrote so many more alphabets but could not cut & paste the actual name !

@ Subject , Indian planners and Babus have always ended up being wiser but sadder men due to stupid silly mistakes.
 
Is it necessary to sound silly even if you are not ?

Do you think we do not find Islamic names to be silly ? Yet out of respect we do not desecrate them.

You wrote so many more alphabets but could not cut & paste the actual name !

@ Subject , Indian planners and Babus have always ended up being wiser but sadder men due to stupid silly mistakes.

We just couldn't pronounce long weird names even English people can't spelling it correctly or Russia find it very funny. Let's answer my questions please, not names.
 
We just couldn't pronounce long weird names even English people can't spelling it correctly or Russia find it very funny. Let's answer my questions please, not names.

the carrier India got is just for training just like the Chinese one.
might as well right it off.
once they start making domestic carriers the Russia one should be mothballed or put in reserve, instead of paying extorted repair fees
 
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Or they blindly trusted Russian words without any doubts...Some where I read that a lot of Russian shipyard came forward for modernizing Admiral Gorshkov .

Which wouldn't be better, but still a bad decision by the navy. Even if, it was the Russian who decided why which yard should do it not us, since they had their own interests in this too.

Any way we should be careful about such deal from Russia ,in case FGFA .We cant trust the business mind of Russians .

Both cases are different, the Russians didn't had any benefit from re-working the ship other than getting work for the shipyard and pay the workers. FGFA on the other side is a varient of a fighter, that they are developing for them too, so they do have an interest to get us and our money into the development, once to fund parts of it, but also to secure a useful number of exports and future upgrades.
The point we need to be careful though is, that we demand as much in return for our investments as possible, which is a matter of negotiations, rather than trust. Each side obviously will try to get the best out for them, can't blame the Russians for that.
 
Well , labor cost goes up in project It was all India's fault for paying only 900 Million and jumping around like they won lottery

Carriers cost 3 Billion to 5 Billion and it was correct they pay proper labor money to Russian company and stop haggling like a cheap

Can't india afford a Air Craft carrier then why even put an order and just say ok we don't have money

Sare Jahan main Naaak Katwadi , is Air Craft carrier ke Chakar ne

Is it still 40% operational what is this Boiler stuff chakar bazi
 
Well , labor cost goes up in project It was all India's fault for paying only 900 Million and jumping around like they won lottery

Carriers cost 3 Billion to 5 Billion and it was correct they pay proper labor money to Russian company and stop haggling like a cheap

Can't india afford a Air Craft carrier then why even put an order and just say ok we don't have money

I don't think the cost escalated just cause of labor costs.
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they didn't have the means to do it on time or budget. they saw a cow and decided to milk it for they all could.
 

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