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India-France: DCNS Developing Sub-Launched Anti-Aircraft Missile


New Delhi: DCNS, the innovative European player in naval defence, is working on submarine-launched anti-aircraft missiles as well as counter-measures against torpedos, unmanned underwater vehicles and attack missiles.


DCNS Managing Director for India Bernard Buissson told India Strategic defence magazine that "counter-measures against torpedoes, unmanned underwater vehicles and attack missiles will be a significant part of future submarines effectiveness and lethality" and that his company invests about 10 percent of its turnover in R&D.



Submarines have the capability to fire cruise missiles but this is the first time perhaps that a company has disclosed development effort of an anti-aircraft missile. DCNS has tied with France-based European missile maker MBDA to develop an anti-aircraft missile for submarines.


Significantly, both the DCNS and MBDA are doing good business with India, with DCNS currently building the Indian Navy's six Project-75 Scorpene submarinres and MBDA working on various missiles for the Indian Navy and Indian Air Force. DCNS is also set to compete in the next line of six P-75I submarines with air independent prolusion (AIP) for which an RfP is around the corner.


MBDA is working with India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to develop a short-range surface to air missile (SRSAM) as per an official agreement between India and France. Official sources told India Strategic that details of a contract on development, production and service support are being worked out.



Buisson said that anti-submarine warfare (ASW) was becoming a harsher reality with the insertion of ever newer net-centric and precision weapons. The threats virtually offered no time to react and accordingly, "future submarine technologies will focus on platform guidance, electronic warfare and missilie performance, much faster data fusion and correlation of better and accurate threat assessment."


All this required "automated calibrated response with longer range and much more accurate attack missile," he observed.


As for the submarine-launched anti-aircraft missile, unveiled at the recent Euronaval in Paris, it was stated that it would be confirgured in two versions - to be fired from a mast-mounted system or through an unmanned undersea vehicle.


The mast-mounted system, designed for incorporation into the fin of a submarine, will consist of a retractable mast to fire several Mistral short-range missiles while the self-defence system with an undersea vehicle (UUV) would shoot a Mica medium-range missile. The UUV itself would be deployed from a torpedo tube.



DCNS has also unveiled a new concept small submarine, designated SMX 26, for operations in very shallow waters not usually accessible for conventional submarine operations.


Company sources said that newer technologies could be available to India depending upon the requirements and government-to-government agreements.


Buisson praised Mazagon Docks Limited (MDL) for finishing all the hulls of the six submarines by 2012-end, pointing out "it has manufactured the hulls from the First Of Class (first submarine) onward without any on the job training in our facilities in France as is usually the case".


The delivery of the submarines, initially delayed, was now on schedule as worked out between DCNS, MDL and the Indian Navy, he said.

DCNS Developing Sub-Launched Anti-Aircraft Missile
 
What it has to do with India ???
It will be the last thing we be needing. India is not going to be under attack from sea unless we decide to want to lock horns with uncle SAM but I don't see it in near future. Chinese won't do that either
 
Innovation is the reason, westeners are considered smart in defence technologies. They start something, and the rest of the world follows.
Btw it is good for India's security :)
 
What it has to do with India ???
It will be the last thing we be needing. India is not going to be under attack from sea unless we decide to want to lock horns with uncle SAM but I don't see it in near future. Chinese won't do that either

ASW aircraft are the biggest threat to any submarine and AFAIK, our current subs dont have any defence against these aerial threats.
 
What it has to do with India ???
It will be the last thing we be needing. India is not going to be under attack from sea unless we decide to want to lock horns with uncle SAM but I don't see it in near future. Chinese won't do that either

What do you think Pakistan's P-3C Orions are for? To detect and attack submarines. And these missiles are for shooting down any aircraft that threatens a sub.
 
Innovation is the reason, westeners are considered smart in defence technologies. They start something, and the rest of the world follows.
Btw it is good for India's security :)

ur right ...even we do research on something they've already done...research needs to be always unique..
 
ur right ...even we do research on something they've already done...research needs to be always unique..

Even in defence nano tech is the way forward. Hope India gains a lead in those technologies.
 
Even in defence nano tech is the way forward. Hope India gains a lead in those technologies.
yes we have a great it industry..we should try to find ways to use it both the offensive and defensive ways
 
I think this news & past news have made DCNS the strongest contender of P-75I, some quick points in this regard:

1. MDL now has the complete tech. of scorpenes from P-75.
2. MDL is already collaborating with DCNS for P-75 & has also formed a JV with Pipavav for future shipbuilding, which in-turn have sold 15% stake to DCNS.
3. DCNS now offers a bigger scorpene for P-75I which will have land attack, AIP, anti-aircraft missiles capability, we just have to wait & see if Brahmos can be integrated as well.
4. Selecting any other submarine will only result in more delays as it will require completely new infrastructure, logistics etc. + absorption of TOT will be difficult, this was the very reason for delays scorpene inductions in IN, while selecting bigger scorpenes will mean continuation of P-75.
 
India-France: DCNS Developing Sub-Launched Anti-Aircraft Missile

The titel is a bit missleading, it sounded like both countries joint to develop such a missile, but the French only developing it for our Scorpenes. I still hope MoD shows some vison and will not only fix the Maitri SAM development, but extgend it to a much bigger SR AAM development to benefit all forces at once!

Maitri SAM land - SR SAM for IA AND IAF
Maitri SAM naval - sub launched version for IN
Maitri SAM air - WVR missile for all IAF fighters

The plan was to base the missile on MICA anyway, so developing a NG MICA, not only for Indian, but also French forces is more than logical and a win win situation for both countries. France needs self defence missiles for their sub fleet too, more over they have to replace MICA for their fighters from 2018 onwards, but while the EM version will be replaced by METEOR, there is no decision about the IR replacement.
 
I think this news & past news have made DCNS the strongest contender of P-75I, some quick points in this regard:

1. MDL now has the complete tech. of scorpenes from P-75.
2. MDL is already collaborating with DCNS for P-75 & has also formed a JV with Pipavav for future shipbuilding, which in-turn have sold 15% stake to DCNS.
3. DCNS now offers a bigger scorpene for P-75I which will have land attack, AIP, anti-aircraft missiles capability, we just have to wait & see if Brahmos can be integrated as well.
4. Selecting any other submarine will only result in more delays as it will require completely new infrastructure, logistics etc. + absorption of TOT will be difficult, this was the very reason for delays scorpene inductions in IN, while selecting bigger scorpenes will mean continuation of P-75.

They actually offer the same Scorpene that we have right now, only with some upgrades. The addition of one module for the AIP propulsion was even part of the first deal, but it was available only for the last Scorpenes. The weapon upgrades, possibly with sublaunched Scalp cruise missiles and MICA SAMs could be used in the first Scorpene subs too, since no modification is needed for this. Brahmos is not possible, since the additional modul is for AIP and the sub diameter might be too small for Brahmos VLS anyway.
 
What kind of ranges are they looking for? This is only effective for helis that are not mobile while their sonar is lowered into the water. the sub will only be able to provide guidance under water by locking on to the active sonar source of the heli. Once the missile is above water, initial target direction for inertial guidance and active radar seeker will be required. Since the helis are not mobile the, initial direction of target will be the direction of the sonar source. Targeting P81 will be much harder as they are mobile and drop sonobuoys into the water, hence the missile will not have any directional information of the target.
 
ASW aircraft are the biggest threat to any submarine and AFAIK, our current subs dont have any defence against these aerial threats.

Well they do have But problem is they are manpads .

eg ; 9M36 Strela-3 SAMs are carried in Kilos .
 

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