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If there is a war between China - Viet Nam in SCS

Nam Viet (Ancient Chinese nation) came from outside Vietnam attacked Au Lac kingdom (Vietnam),
Mongolia (Ancient Chinese nation) came from inside China [Hulunbeier] attacked Song (Ancient Chinese nation).

Totally different.

The Great Wall... if you know what I mean.
Problem solved.

Nam Viet came from outside of Vietnam (Guangdong is not in Vietnam now) attack Au Lac (Vietnam)
Mongol came from outside of China (Most of Mongolia is not in China now, only Inner Mongolia is in China) attack Song, Xia (China)

The difference:
- China today have occupied Inner Mongolia.
Vietnam haven't occupied Guangdong.
- In both traditional and modern Chinese history, Genghis Khan was considered the emperor of china.
In traditional Vietnamese history, he was considered the emperor of Vietnam. However, modern Vietnamese historians regarded him as a foreign invader who invaded Vietnam.
 
Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ;3303696 said:
The Great Wall... if you know what I mean.
Problem solved.

History of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I can't see Mongol tribes there in China before Yuan Dynasty. You should rewrite the wiki.

Yeah, the GW, one of the great walls in the world, Romans built a same thing in Britian too.

I can't see Prussia in Germany... doesn't make sense, so do yours.
 
Yeah, the GW, one of the great walls in the world, Romans built a same thing in Britian also.

Yeah right, then?

I can't see Prussia in Germany... doesn't make sense, so do yours.

Is there Prussia today? No.
Is there Mongolia today? Yes.

Nam Viet came from outside of Vietnam (Guangdong is not in Vietnam now) attacked Au Lac (Vietnam)
Mongol came from outside of China (Most of Mongolia is not in China now, only Inner Mongolia is in China) attacked Song, Xia (China)

The difference:
- China today have occupied Inner Mongolia.
Vietnam haven't occupied Guangdong.
- The Northern border of China has changed very very much, from The Great Wall to today's border.
The Northern border of Vietnam hasn't changed much.
- In both traditional and modern Chinese history, Genghis Khan was considered the emperor of china.
In traditional Vietnamese history, he was considered the emperor of Vietnam. However, modern Vietnamese historians regarded him as a foreign invader who invaded Vietnam.
 
Yeah right, then?

Don't give the "?" back to me Mr. Daowner.

Is there Prussia today? No.
Is there Mongolia today? Yes.

Is there Prussian posterity today? Yes.
Can Polish change Portland to Prussia and claim Prussia? No.
Is there Pakistani today? Yes.
Can they change Pakistan to Mughal and claim Mughal? No.
Is there Macedonia today? Yes.
Can Macedonian claim ancient Macedonia? No.
Is there Mongolia today? Yes.
Can Khalkha claim ancient Mongolia? No.



Nam Viet came from outside of Vietnam (Guangdong is not in Vietnam now) attack Au Lac (Vietnam)

Guangdong never belong to Vietnam.

Mongol came from outside of China (Most of Mongolia is not in China now, only Inner Mongolia is in China) attack Song, Xia (China)

Mongol came from inside of China.
Most of Mongolia is in Modern China (more than half), and they are all the Golden Family.


The difference:
- China today have occupied Inner Mongolia.
Vietnam haven't occupied Guangdong.

China never occupied Inner Mongolia, Germany never occupied Prussia.


- In both traditional and modern Chinese history, Genghis Khan was considered the emperor of china.

Genghis Khan was the Khan of the Mongal Empire, Inner Mongolian has right to claim him.

In traditional Vietnamese history, he was considered the emperor of Vietnam. However, modern Vietnamese historians regarded him as a foreign invader who invaded Vietnam.

Who is "he"?

- The Northern border of China has changed very very much, from The Great Wall to today's border.
The Northern border of Vietnam hasn't changed much.

"China" is a modern country established in modern history, it is nothing related to the GW.
The border was changed once, while the Khalkha divided from China.
 
Don't hand the "?" back to me Mr. Daowner.



Is there Prussian posterity today? Yes.
Can Polish change Portland to Prussia and claim Prussia? No.
Is there Pakistani today? Yes.
Can they change Pakistan to Mughal and claim Mughal? No.
Is there Macedonia today? Yes.
Can Macedonian claim ancient Macedonia? No.
Is there Mongolia today? Yes.
Can Khalkha claim ancient Mongolia? No.





Guangdong never belong to Vietnam.



Mongol came from inside of China.
Most of Mongolia is in Modern China (more than half), and they are all the Golden Family.




China never occupied Inner Mongolia, Germany never occupied Prussia.




Genghis Khan was the Khan of the Mongal Empire, Inner Mongolian has right to claim him.



Who is "he"?



"China" is a modern country established in modern history, it is nothing related to the GW.
The border was changed once, while the Khalkha divided from China.

blah blah blah :blah:
LOL finally China is a modern country established in modern history and do not have the right over a country called Mongolia

Occupied other lands and then claim it "established another country" to make lands occupation legal... ok you win. We can't do such un-civilized action.

So if Vietnam occupy a part of Guangdong and establish ABC country then we will be the legal owner of Guangdong, Guangxi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire

Mongol Empire is Chinese... wow!

PremongolEurasia.png

See how Mongol is Chinese that time!

And this is Chinese lands:

61827-004-0B59E55B.gif
 
Is Mongolia Part of China?

Is Mongolia Part of China?

Officially: No, Mongolia is not a part of China.

Mongolia has their own language, prime minister, parliament, and president. What is known as 'Inner Mongolia' on the border of Russia and the independent state of Mongolia is an autonomous region belonging to the People's Republic of China.

Mongolia declared their independence in 1911, however, the Republic of China had other plans for the region. Chinese forces occupied part of Mongolia until Russia invaded in 1920. Russia decided to support the creation of an independent, communist government in Mongolia. With the Soviet Union's help, Mongolia once again declared their independence -- ten years after the first attempt -- on July 11, 1921.

Only in 2002 did China stop considering Mongolia as part of their 'mainland area' and removed it from maps of their territory. Despite the struggle for independence and world recognition, Mongolia still somehow maintains good international relations today with the U.S., Russia, China, Japan, and India -- countries that often have conflicting interests.

Today, Russian is still the most widely spoken foreign language in Mongolia, but English is spreading widely.


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inner mongolia was never part of China

By Oyunbilig

Inner Mongolia, as a part of the Great Mongol Empire, had never been part of China. From the day Genghis khan founded the Great Mongol Empire in 1206 to the death of the last Grand Khan of the Mongols, Ligdan Khan in 1634, the Mongol nation had been an independent state for more than 400 years.

During the Ming Dynasty of China (1368-1644), the Mongols and the Chinese wared each other and tried to rule over each other, but the China's dominance had never reached beyond the Great Wall. Once the Mongols even captured an Emperor of China. (In 1449, Esen Taiji defeated Chinese army near Peking and took Chinese emperor Ying-tsung (or Ying Zong) prisoner). Also during the Ming dynasty, Fearing from the Mongol’s invasion, China took great efforts to rebuild the Chinese ancient fortification ---the " Ten thousand miles of " Great Wall. The Mongol Empire lasted outside of the Great Wall until the Jorchid (later known as Manchu) people took over the entire Inner Mongolia in 1634.

During the Manchu rule, the Mongols had never given up their effort to reestablish an independent Mongolia. Galdan Boshogtu (1645-1697) of Dzungar Mongol once succeeded to unite all the Dzungar Mongols (or western Mongols) and the Khalkha Mongols (Outer Mongols) and almost seized Peking, the Capital of the Manchu Empire.

In 1644, Manchu people took over entire China and Emperor Shuen-chih (or Shun-Zhi) proclaimed the Great Ching Empire (Tai Ching). We have enough reason to say that Mongolia was not part of China during this historical period of time, because Mongolia (Including Inner, Outer, Dzungar Mongols) and China were both ruled by a foreign nation during the time . Chinese people didn’t have their own state or government, and China, just like Mongolia, was part of the Empire established by the Manchu people.

In 1911, following the collapse of the Manchu Empire, there was a great chance for all the Mongols to reestablish a independent state once again. However, the Chinese warlords, took the advantage of the Mongol nation’s weakness at that time, tried to take the Mongols under their rule. After 10 years of strive, Outer Mongolia (or Khalkha Mongol) proclaimed their independence in 1921 as People's Republic of Mongolia. But Inner Mongolia, a major part of the Mongol land, was under the Chinese warlords’ tight control and hundreds of years of dream as an independent nation was unable to come true for millions of Mongols living in Inner Mongolia. It is injustice and outrageous that the Chinese, as soon as they gained their freedom, turned to rule over other nation.

Since China’s takeover of Inner Mongolia, millions of peasants were settled to Inner Mongolia. Excessive cultivation backed by the warlords turned the great grassland into vast desert. The Mongols, totally depended on the grassland to survive, were forced to abandon their homeland and move to remote places. Meanwhile, those people who held courage to fight for the freedom of their homeland eventually fell down under the guns of the invaders and buried into their beloved land. (Gada Meiren, "Shineh Lama "--- Uljijirgal and Togtokh Baator were the most famous heroes among them).

Prince Demchegdongrov (or De Wang, Teh Wang), however, almost succeeded in establishing an independent Inner Mongolia. Born as a direct descendent of Genghis Khan, he dedicated his whole life to establish a self-ruling, even an independent Inner Mongolia. On July 26, 1933, De Wang held his first Conference on Inner Mongolian Self-rule, declared the Inner Mongolian government as a highly self-ruling government. This self -ruling government lasted until 1945. By the end of the WWII, to force the Japanese to end the War, Soviet-Mongolian joint army entered into Inner Mongolia. Despite the Inner Mongolians expressed strong will to be an independent country, or even willing to reunite with Mongolia (Outer Mongolia), Joseph Stalin handed Inner Mongolia over to China, according to the Yalta treaty reached by the US, Great Britan and the Soviet Union.

On May 1, 1947, the Chinese Communist Party declared their first puppet Autonomous Region--- the current Inner Mongolian Autonomous Region after the PLA took control over most part of the Inner Mongolia. Since then, the Inner Mongolians suffered the most brutal rule they had ever experienced:

Over 250,000 Mongols were killed and executed (It was almost 10% of the population at the time) and almost all of the thousands of Mongolian Buddhist temples were destroyed during the waves of political movements;
The central government has settled large number of Chinese people into Inner Mongolia and the Mongols have became absolute minority in their homeland;
Wanton agrarian practices by the Chinese settlers have caused severe desertification in Inner Mongolia and the region's ecological balance was totally destroyed;
The central government has emptied the abundant natural resources of Inner Mongolia without any compensation to the Mongols;
The Chinese government has totally destroyed the rich cultural heritages of the Mongols under the name of clearing feudalism;
As a long-term policy of sinicization, the Chinese government has been forcing the Mongols to learn Chinese language and Chinese culture;
Also as a policy of limiting the Mongol population, the Chinese government has been imposing birth control policy to the Mongols;
In fearing of the Mongols’ opposition to their rule, Chinese government has been cracking down on any tiny signs of the "separatist" activities. They put thousands of Mongols into jail simply charging them of being "counterrevolutionaries" or " separatists", a crime exclusively designed for the minorities;
Under the Chinese government’s slogan of " Political stability is the top priority", Inner Mongolia has become the most backward region in China;
It is very clear that Inner Mongolia was never part of China and, in fact, China never fairly treated the Inner Mongolians as a part of their own people.
 
blah blah blah :blah:
LOL finally China is a modern country established in modern history and do not have the right over a country called Mongolia
Is there Prussian posterity today? Yes.
Can Polish change Portland to Prussia and claim Prussia? No.
Is there Pakistani today? Yes.
Can they change Pakistan to Mughal and claim Mughal? No.
Is there Macedonia today? Yes.
Can Macedonian claim ancient Macedonia? No.
Is there Mongolia today? Yes.
Can Khalkha claim ancient Mongolia? No.

I have told you many times, before "China", there were only "Chinese nations", such as "German nations" before the Empire and Indian nation before the Mughal and Britian.


Occupied other lands and then claim it "established another country" to make lands occupation legal... ok you win. We can't do such un-civilized action.

Mughal defeated other Indian nations and established Mughal Dynasty, Mongolian defeated other Chinese nations and established Yuan Dynasty.

So if Vietnam occupy a part of Guangdong and establish ABC country then we will be the legal owner of Guangdong, Guangxi.

We are living in 21 century, my good sir, not hundreds year ago. (and please read my old posts again)

Mongol Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mongol Empire is Chinese... wow!

PremongolEurasia.png

See how Mongol is Chinese that time!

This map has mistakes, it should be Jing Dynasty and Song Dynasty, nothing more.

And this is Chinese lands:

61827-004-0B59E55B.gif

As I said, there was not such a country called "China" during the period,
you can not put India and Mughal/ Germany and Prussia together in a same map.
 
An internet article? Why, Mr. Daowner, why.

Is Mongolia Part of China?

Officially: No, Mongolia is not a part of China.

Mongolia has their own language, prime minister, parliament, and president. What is known as 'Inner Mongolia' on the border of Russia and the independent state of Mongolia is an autonomous region belonging to the People's Republic of China.

True.

Mongolia declared their independence in 1911, however, the Republic of China had other plans for the region. Chinese forces occupied part of Mongolia until Russia invaded in 1920. Russia decided to support the creation of an independent, communist government in Mongolia. With the Soviet Union's help, Mongolia once again declared their independence -- ten years after the first attempt -- on July 11, 1921.

Only in 2002 did China stop considering Mongolia as part of their 'mainland area' and removed it from maps of their territory. Despite the struggle for independence and world recognition, Mongolia still somehow maintains good international relations today with the U.S., Russia, China, Japan, and India -- countries that often have conflicting interests.

He forgot to put "Outer"s before every "Mongolia" and "Mongolian" in these sentences.

Today, Russian is still the most widely spoken foreign language in Mongolia, but English is spreading widely.

True.


Another internet article,
who is this Oyunbilig?

In this whole article, the only thing that the author try to do are:
1. Narrow the concept of Chinese ethnic groups to "Only Han = Chinese";
2. Narrow Chinese history by mentioning the GW of China, just like narrowing British history by mentioning the GW of Britain (which was built by Roman);
3. Draw a divide between Prussia and Germany/ India and Mughal.

As for the "catastrophes of Mongolian", please:

1. Outer Mongolian even changed their very own letters to "Russian" style, Mongolian letters can now only be found in Inner Mongolia (or take a closer look to a Yuan note);
2. Praising Genghis Khan was a sin in communist Mongolia (Outer Mongolia);
3. The author should changed the number 250,000 to 300,000 or 400,000 in order to increase more trembling feelings;
4. Killing Mongolian... (Population is increasing actually) destroying culture, temples... (More than 1300 temples nowadays in Inner Mongolia, how about in outer Mongolia?) can't speak Mongolian... (Most of Inner Mongolian can speak both Mongolian and Mandarin, also they go to Mongolian schools)

As for the rest and the part of "Khalkha Mongol", Mr. Yehe's and Mr. Kirov's posts already have most of the answers, although Mr.Kirov doesn't support much of Mr.Yehe's opinion about the SCS.
 
post del in the name of Kane.

Compared with US, PRC has not gained any territory from other country by invasion, take a look of how US got the earth from other countries. According to these Viet theory, US should give back his New mexico and California to Mexico, Saipan island to Japan, Louisiana to France,and Machias Seal Island to Canada. however, i don't know how these Viets will define the "American" and its people.

On the other hand, Socialist Republic of Vietnam launched Kampuchea war in December 1978, In January 7, 1979, Kampuchea capital Phnom Penh was conquered by the Vietnamese army, the Khmer Rouge regime collapsed, and was forced into a guerrilla war. Vietnam built -- the people's Republic of Kampuchea-- which became a puppet regime. But the Vietnam control did not last long after Socialist Republic of Vietnam was punished by PRC from February 17, 1979.

A total failure of Vietnamese invasion; A total failur of Vietnamese dream to dominate Indochinese peninsula.
 
China is a prolific invader.

1. Manchuria
2. Tibet
3. Inner Mongolia
4. Turkestan


Since no country, including yours and your adopted one, and the UN refute any part parts of China are the inherent territories of China, your personal opinion does not matter. Manchuria and Turkestan? Never heard of them, what are that?

Actually China doesn't even anyone's approval for what's her territory. If there's any disputes, it will be bilateral negotiations between her and her neighbors. That's all.
 

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