'I am aware of what the Indian Embassy is doing in Jalalabad and Kandahar': Musharraf

[Omar1984]

Transcript of Musharraf’s talk at a media event in Delhi

Arun Poorie: You are here as a messenger of peace. What did you do about it in the nine years when you were in power?

Musharraf: Let’s stop the blame game. We need to look at the reality, forget the past and look ahead. I don’t know what I did wrong, but I can tell you I tried my best for peace between India and Pakistan. I was never negative when the opportunity for peace came to me.

Arun Poorie: What plans do you have about the future?

Musharraf: To me, the core issue is building confidence by greater people-to-people affinity. Once the confidence is there, we should move towards resolving the core issues, and stop meddling with the internal affairs of each other’s country.

Arun Poorie: What do you have to say about what happened on 26/11 in Mumbai?

Musharraf: Let’s stop the war hysteria. Just a day into the investigations, the Pakistani army and the ISI was blamed for it. I am for a considered and matured response to these issues. As far as the investigations are concerned, the Pakistani government should fully cooperate and the guilty should be punished.

Arun Poorie: Are there any terrorist camps in Pakistan?

Musharraf: See we have done damage to each other. I am aware of what the Indian embassy is doing in Jalalabad and Kandahar. A terrorist from Kabul has been received by Indian intelligence agencies in India and looked after. I have documents to show this. Let us stop the blame game. India is a big country. You try to do damage to us, we will do damage to you. We should address the trust deficit between the two countries. The ISI does the same thing as the RAW does. There is no distinction.

Ravi Shankar Prasad: In the face of the present situation, do you see Taliban taking over Pakistan?

Musharraf: Areas in the North West Frontier [Province] where the problem is, account for less then one percent of the population. There is no danger of Taliban taking over Pakistan politically.

Arun Poorie: What specific confidence-building measures do you have for the future?

Musharraf: We need to look at strategic issues. We will have to address the water issue which would develop into a new conflict between the nations. We have to stick to the Indus Valley treaty.

Soli Sorabjee: Will you hand over Dawood Ibrahim to us as a confidence building measure?

Musharraf: This is a small issue. I do not know if he is there. I too have a long list of people that India needs to give us. The role of Indian embassy in Afghanistan in Jalalabad and Kandahar is not good either.

Individuals are a small issue. We need to look at strategic issues. I do not think handing over Dawood will change anything. I know it will not help in easing tensions between the two nations, if that happens then you will have to hand over Dawood back to Pakistan (laughs).

Rahul Kanwal: A conversation of Gen Kayani, the army chief who succeeded you, has been intercepted where he said Taliban is a ‘strategic asset’?

Musharraf: This is a lie. He cannot say that. I challenge them to show me the proof. It is a lie.

Amar Singh: When our (then) PM Vajpayee travelled to Lahore by bus to Lahore for friendship, Kargil happened. Now you say you are for peace?

Musharraf: I would not like to comment on this issue. I have dealt with this matter in my book.

Shekhar Gupta: Compare your years in power with that of Ziaul Haq.

Musharraf: The comparison cannot be done as the situation and ground realities were very different in both times. You must understand that Pakistan is not the perpetuator of terror but a victim of terror in the last 30 years.

Question: How is it to live in Pakistan and not be in charge?

Musharraf: It’s good. I am relaxed. The most difficult job was to take decisions in highly complex situations. Now I read about them in the papers.

General VP Malik: What are the chances of the army taking over Pakistan again? How can India help Pakistan in its problems?

Musharraf: It is the internal matter of Pakistan. The political leadership can deal with the situation. I would not like to comment on that. India can help Pakistan by not maligning Pakistani army and the ISI in the world.



http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\03\09\story_9-3-2009_pg7_35

 

[Omar1984]

Now here's a former president of Pakistan saying this who was the President when War on Terror began in 2001. He was President of Pakistan from 1999-2008.

What do Indians have to say about this?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Rahul Kanwal: A conversation of Gen Kayani, the army chief who succeeded you, has been intercepted where he said Taliban is a ‘strategic asset’?

Musharraf: This is a lie. He cannot say that. I challenge them to show me the proof. It is a lie.

Sanger, Mazetti and the rest of the PoS NYT and US Defence/Mil officials have been pushing these lies and propaganda for a long time now - entirely reminiscent of the lies and propaganda in the runnup to the Iraq war to build up domestic support for that illegal invasion.

Gen. Kiyani did not say what has been attributed to him nor was there ever any officer claiming responsibility for the Indian embassy bombing - all lies and deceit by the walking cluster fck that is the US Govt. and defence establishment - and the talking heads wonder why the deficit of trust.

 

[blain2]

Had Kiyani said something along these lines, he would not have been invited to the US so warmly. Typical mirch, masala bs unfortunately.

 

[Omar1984]

Here's the same transcipt from an Indian news source scroll down the page after clicking on the following link:

http://conclave.digitaltoday.in/conclave2009/speechtranscript.php?id=2652&issueid=33

 

[third eye]

Now here's a former president of Pakistan saying this who was the President when War on Terror began in 2001. He was President of Pakistan from 1999-2008.

What do Indians have to say about this?

Frankly there nothing ( new) to say on this.

Its simply old wine in old bottles.

 

[IceCold]

So Musharraf says he knows what the embassy in Jalalabad and Kandahar are doing, question is what has he done about it when he was the president, why hasn't the issue being raised when there was a need to raise, why all in quietness and the same is even going on now, where on one had we are all the time blamed for being a terrorist sponsoring nation, we on the other hand choose not to say a word they may prove India is not a saint either. Something i haven't really been able to understand, who agenda is all governments of Pakistan following, certainly not ours.

 

[Rafael]

Rulers in Pakistan cannot say a word against India, US and Israel for obvious reasons..Be it Musharaff, Zardari or Nawaz...they'll bash US and India when they are in oppostion...but once they form a govt, they discover some "Harsh realities".

As they say" Iss hamaam mein sabhi nangey hain".

 

[afriend]

Amar Singh: When our (then) PM Vajpayee travelled to Lahore by bus to Lahore for friendship, Kargil happened. Now you say you are for peace?

Musharraf: I would not like to comment on this issue. I have dealt with this matter in my book.

This itself is a good enough reason that this brother cannot be trusted. He also have indicated he wanted democracy and holding elections itself cannot be called a democracy. He said there should be a resoponsible system in place, yet when he was questioned about his take over of Pakistan civilian governement, whther that was in essesnce of a strong responsible system he fumbled.

This man is all show, but no meaning..!!!! And his quotes are again...not trust worthy..!!!

 

[RescueRanger]

The Gen(r) should try to avoid the limelight if he wants CSA to be a success.

 

[S-2]

"Sanger, Mazetti and the rest of the PoS NYT and US Defence/Mil officials have been pushing these lies..."

Are those the same lies as your "continuing connections" to Hekmatyar and Haqqani which you and I discussed a couple of months back? If so, then why the self-righteous sanctimony?

I don't believe you've severed connections to these and other groups and I doubt that you believe so either. "deficit of trust" indeed. I think you've been unusually dissembling here given your past comments.

"all lies and deceit by the walking cluster fck that is the US Govt. and defence establishment..."

The love just oozes from you...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Are those the same lies as your "continuing connections" to Hekmatyar and Haqqani which you and I discussed a couple of months back? If so, then why the self-righteous sanctimony?

I don't believe you've severed connections to these and other groups and I doubt that you believe so either. "deficit of trust" indeed. I think you've been unusually dissembling here given your past comments.

Had the above 'journalists' left the issue at 'connections', I would have no issue with their reporting or what the US Govt. and defence establishment so carefully 'leaked' through 'anonymous intelligence/administration officials'.

Instead you will remember that first it was a 'high level PA officer' reportedly caught in the act of admitting to the bombing, and then, right after Gen. Kiyani came out with a strong statement against the SF raid into FATA, and the DG ISPR stating any further violators would be shot down and attacked, surprise, surprise, we had the NYT now quoting said 'anonymous officials' as suggesting Gen. Kiyani was in the know as well.

The pattern of deception, lies and propaganda by the US administration through manipulating (or willing) news organizations such as the NYT is pretty clear.

The love just oozes from you...

Given the above pattern of deception and propaganda, would you expect anything else?

That is why there is a much greater degree of respect for the Chinese - autocratic and anti-religion they may be, but for the most part in their relationship with Pakistan, 'what you see is what you get'.

 

[Energon]

The pattern of deception, lies and propaganda by the US administration through manipulating (or willing) news organizations such as the NYT is pretty clear.


Given the above pattern of deception and propaganda, would you expect anything else?

Thats right... everyone is always plotting and waging propaganda wars against Pakistan because apparently they have a lot to gain from it and nothing else to do.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Thats right... everyone is always plotting and waging propaganda wars against Pakistan because apparently they have a lot to gain from it and nothing else to do.

Not everyone and not always - but in this particular case the pattern was pretty clear.

A bit of the 'good cop, bad cop' routine - officially Mullen and all praise Gen. Kiyani and his efforts, and then 'anonymous officials' claim he is in cahoots with the taliban after he expresses his displeasure with a particular US policy.

Its not my fault you can't see the hypocrisy and perfidy here.

 

[S-2]

No. You're relying upon a conspiracy between the "good cop", Mullen and the "bad cop", an anonymous source(s). Unlikely.

More likely is that Mullen is engaged in a small P.R. deceit routinely practiced in public at the highest levels with an altogether different conversation behind the scenes. Equally, your "bad cop" is only reporting what he knows based upon whatever-his job, rumors in the office, etc...assuming he's for real and no fabrication of the NYT reporting staff.

Different issue for you to consider separately is the liklihood that the NYT fabricates anonymous sources. Depends what you think of their editors, I suppose.

Those "connections" are critical. They certainly seem to be as of late July last year in Kabul. The buzz we heard was Haqqani and you-know-what-intelligence organization. That matters.

What also matters are your interesting attempts at linkage. Two U.S. administrations have now had the chance to hear and read your case against India. I'd presume from these many meetings that Pakistan has had ample opportunity to deliver these dossiers and their message face-to-face at the highest levels of exchange.

You really don't know what was said there. Neither does anybody else. Nothing uttered since last summer by any U.S. official, though, has indicated that Indian aggression against Pakistan is weighing upon our conscience.

So either you're correct and we don't care or you're not correct and we don't care. Speculation beyond that point is useless.