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Hitler memorabilia 'attracts young Indians'

Hitler The Trendy Tyrant

By Kim Barker

Chicago Tribune

KHARGHAR, India -- When an Adolf Hitler-themed restaurant opened its doors in a suburb of cosmopolitan Mumbai in August, many were horrified. The restaurant, Hitlers' Cross, changed its name a week later to Cross Cafe, but it is hardly the only example of how some Indians view Hitler and his legacy.

Hindu fundamentalist groups praise Hitler's leadership skills. A college poll a few years ago showed he was perceived as an ideal leader. Books and videos of him are top sellers. Most patrons prefer to call Cross Cafe by its previous name. Plates and cups still bear the Hitlers' Cross logo, with a Nazi swastika in place of the "O."

"We call it `Hitler' only," said Ashish Anant, 18, an aeronautics college student who likes to come to the cafe with friends. "We say, `Let's go to Hitler.' It's a trendy name. It's different."

It's not clear why Hitler is popular in some circles. Some experts say it's because of a belief that Indians were the original Aryan race. Others say it's because Hitler used the traditional Hindu good-luck symbol of the swastika, rotating it slightly. Those who believe strongly in the caste system of India also may like Hitler's eugenics and race beliefs.

Any praise for Hitler is not reflected in national policy. India has strong ties with Israel and views it as an ally in the war on terror. And Jewish and non-Jewish Indians were horrified by Hitlers' Cross. Daniel Zohar Zonshine, the Israel consul general in Mumbai, looked visibly upset when talking about the portrayal of Hitler in India, especially Hitlers' Cross. He said he thinks the owners wanted the free publicity that comes with such controversy.

Educating the public

The consulate has tried to educate Indians about Hitler, sending a Holocaust photograph exhibit and education materials last year to the western state of Gujarat, where government textbooks have praised Hitler. The Israeli Consulate will bring a Holocaust survivor and artist to Mumbai to talk to Indian audiences next month.

"It's not an Israeli issue," said Zonshine, adding that World War II was not ingrained in the DNA of India as it was in that of Europe or Israel. "It's not a Jewish issue. It's a humanitarian issue."

Joshua Reuben, 29, who belongs to India's small Jewish community, said he was offended by the restaurant but did not blame the owners.

"They probably haven't thought about hurting anybody's feelings," he said.

Interviews with many young Indians indicated that they had little idea of what Hitler actually did and that it did not really matter. They described Hitler as "cool" or "trendy." They did not know details of the Holocaust.

"I don't know much," admitted Puneet Sabhlok, 22, one of the co-founders of Hitlers' Cross, which serves only one marginally German item, German chocolate cake.

"He was a dictator," added co-founder Shakir Siddiqui, 27. "Gas chambers and all."

Hitler is glorified in other ways. A poll of 400 students from the country's most prestigious colleges by a leading Indian newspaper in 2002 found that Hitler was their third most requested ideal leader of India, behind independence leader Mahatma Gandhi and the country's then-Prime
Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee.

A pizza and cake chain in New Delhi, A Slice of Italy, sells a cake called "one for the Hitler," featuring Hitler's face. Last year the cake was sold with a swastika on the cap and was described as a children's cake over the phone. Last month there was no swastika.

"It's not common, but it's exciting, madam," a worker at the pizza chain told one woman who asked about the cake in November. "Order it."

`Hitler, the Supremo'

In Gujarat, textbooks have praised Hitler's leadership abilities, fascism and the Nazi movement. Until recently, state social studies textbooks have featured chapters on "Hitler, the Supremo" and "Internal Achievements of Nazism." The textbooks have been changed slightly this year but still barely mention the Holocaust.

This is the same state where Hindu-led riots led to the deaths of more than 1,000 Muslims in the spring of 2002. Several investigations blamed the state government, led by a Hindu-right political party, for permitting the riots.

Bal Thackeray, the founder of Shiv Sena, a Hindu fundamentalist party based in Mumbai, has openly praised Hitler and said he was willing to wipe out troublemaking Muslims. Shiv Sena's secretary, Anil Desai, said Thackeray liked Hitler's leadership abilities, not his attempts to exterminate the Jews.

Thackeray likes "the way Hitler pushed the things in his time," Desai said.

Hitler's autobiography, "Mein Kampf," flies off the shelves of many bookstores. The Bandra branch of Crossword, a major bookstore chain in the Mumbai area, sells 35 copies a week.

At the Rhythm House in downtown Mumbai, one of the city's oldest and most popular video stores, the documentary "Hitler a Career" is sold in the video section for children.

"Why are people buying it? Because they like him," store clerk Maqbool Sayed said. "If it was up to me, I would hide these. I wouldn't put them out at all."

Hitler The Trendy Tyrant By Kim Barker

QUITE A LOT OF HOT AIR!
This is nothing new. As a school-boy in India i acquired a copy of "Mein Kampf". My mother who got worried, told my father who reassured her that it would pass. It did!
Later, laid hands on a copy of Mao's "Red Book" along with quite a lot of Maoist pamphlets; this was not very easy because the authorities did not take kindly to such activities and the local police had a branch whose members were only kept gainfully employed hunting down copies of the book and their owners! At the same time read a lot of 'samizdat' (underground) literature from the USSR against Communism, the best of which was 'Gulag Archipelago' and 'A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich'. Now 'Good Old Capitalism'. Growing up can be quite a journey.
Now waiting to soak up some 'Talibani' stuff. Some journalists will use up some column-cms to talk about it. Good for them.
;)
 
He was a Great strategist.

Forgive me,
Strategically he was a MORON. He was a great demagogue, he knew what seemed to troubling the German people at that time. He used that very effectively to get in to the public mind. Therefore he was very charismatic. If he had left strategy to his Generals (who were some of the best), things might have turned out differently- who knows?!
:cheers:
 
I think the victory against the communists at the ballot boxes is going to be short lived for India, as there is clearly a resurgence in support of communists after a dismal performance since the vote. Hitler is definitely being over glorified.

Not true Asim..I came from one of the communist ruled state..by the way they are ruling now..i think it will be worse for them in the next election..remember Kerala is one of the strong holds of Communism in India ..
 
This is a Defense Forum. What this thread is doing here?:devil:
 
Forgive me,
Strategically he was a MORON. He was a great demagogue, he knew what seemed to troubling the German people at that time. He used that very effectively to get in to the public mind. Therefore he was very charismatic. If he had left strategy to his Generals (who were some of the best), things might have turned out differently- who knows?!
:cheers:

Hitler's Obsession with Stalingrad took a heavy toll & everything changed after that, They never recovered after the annihilation of 6th Army but still his generals Eric Von Manistein, Rommel etc were the greatest military minds ever & pulled some great stunts out under great odds
Hitler was not a stupid but his delusion lead him to act stupidly, a person who can take over whole Europe with a lightening speed is not a moron, there's certainly something great about this man which is hidden by the stories of Auschwitz Death Camp
 
Hitler's Obsession with Stalingrad took a heavy toll & everything changed after that, They never recovered after the annihilation of 6th Army but still his generals Eric Von Manistein, Rommel etc were the greatest military minds ever & pulled some great stunts out under great odds
Hitler was not a stupid but his delusion lead him to act stupidly, a person who can take over whole Europe with a lightening speed is not a moron, there's certainly something great about this man which is hidden by the stories of Auschwitz Death Camp

Though I agree with the tactical brilliance of the German generals I am still not convinced if Hitler has something"great" in him. Though he had excellent oratory skills and was a distinguished opportunist, I think his rise is more due to state of the German nation, their insecurities and their percieved slight by the other Western powers.
 
I think the victory against the communists at the ballot boxes is going to be short lived for India, as there is clearly a resurgence in support of communists after a dismal performance since the vote.

Not really, pardon me.
The electorate in India is far more pragmatic and far less idealogy-driven than ever before. Of course, the "bakwass" of caste, community, religion etc. casting their shadows on politics has'nt completely disappeared, but the people are far more conscious of economic issues than before. There are a few items on the Communist agenda that have some takers, e.g. relations with "Uncle Sam". Most people would want an 'equal' relationship rather than 'client-state'. But that has less to do with politics and more to do with a emerging assertiveness. Enough said, don't want to go off-topic.
BTW Hitler does'nt really have many fans, even if you count good old Bal Thackeray, because the old boy himself does not have a very big fan following- in spite of what some posters on this forum would have us believe.;)
:cheers:
 
I second the point.

One should see the level of infrastructure been developed in Germany even in the remotest part of the country. I am saying this after travelling through half of the globe and seeing various places. Germany has the BEST infrastructure when it comes to the common mass. All thanks to Hitler who connected everything, even small small villages with rail and road network.

No one is completely good or bad, every one has a good side and bad side. Lets all hail the good side of Hitler. Hail Hitler !!!

Sieg Heil!
Deutschland uber Alles.;)
 
Hitler was a charismatic leader but a failure at everything else, either way he is never going to dance again.
 
Hitler's Obsession with Stalingrad took a heavy toll & everything changed after that, They never recovered after the annihilation of 6th Army but still his generals Eric Von Manistein, Rommel etc were the greatest military minds ever & pulled some great stunts out under great odds
Hitler was not a stupid but his delusion lead him to act stupidly, a person who can take over whole Europe with a lightening speed is not a moron, there's certainly something great about this man which is hidden by the stories of Auschwitz Death Camp

You are indeed correct. My contention is not that Hitler was stupid; rather that he was a 'moron' strategically. His leadership of the German population was absolute and formed on very strong grounds- no stupid person could have achieved that. However his megalomania overshadowed his war planning; and he was unwilling to leave 'Generalship' to his Generals. That was his undoing.
:cheers:
 
Hitler was a charismatic leader but a failure at everything else, either way he is never going to dance again.

Come on yaar..which leader can turn in to a war torn country to a world class country in just 6-9 years??..He made Germany devalop in to short period of time and prepared a world class army under the restriction..

Offcource i dont agree with what he did to Jews..and also some other actions of him..but he was a good leader..
 
Come on yaar..which leader can turn in to a war torn country to a world class country in just 6-9 years??..He made Germany devalop in to short period of time and prepared a world class army under the restriction..

Offcource i dont agree with what he did to Jews..and also some other actions of him..but he was a good leader..

I mentioned he was a charismatic leader but he was was a horrible strategist, i give Hitler credit for pushing Germany to become a world class military but the real credit goes to the German generals and engineers, Hitler was just the catalyst. In short, Hitler brought Germany from the ashes but altimately was responsible for Germany's demise.
 
Hitler is the BEST...

He construct the Strong Germany,
First to say Old people wellfare assiotion, free midic and lot for them.

A Leader @ Best...

Note : Human makes mistakes... he is also a human..!
 
I mentioned he was a charismatic leader but he was was a horrible strategist, i give Hitler credit for pushing Germany to become a world class military but the real credit goes to the German generals and engineers, Hitler was just the catalyst. In short, Hitler brought Germany from the ashes but altimately was responsible for Germany's demise.

PtldM3, I am somewhat agree and disagree with you. He was a charismatic leader as he raised Germany from the ashes to the top but a horrible strategist can't win half of the world in such a short span of times. This requires a strong strategy and determination to win. If Hitler would be only a catalyst, how all the generals & engineers can achieve such win in the world. He was the one who fills passion & enthusiasm to the subordinates, guide them, motivate them and moreover strengthen patriotism of Germans. How many such leaders are born in this world?
 

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