Give & take : After KSA request Pak devising its own wish list

[Daneshmand]

About economic benefits for the country, the sources said the Pakistani authorities were interested in receiving sureties from Saudi Arabia at the forum of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) on some important issues. They said that if Pakistan joins the Saudi forces, then the GCC should ensure that when Pakistan feels threatened by India, then the GCC would not only slap restrictions on Indian employees working in the region but also support Pakistan on many fronts.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 6th, 2015.

This has no bearing. Backstabbing is quite common among third world countries.

Empty promises for "future" are seldom paid. History is a testimony to that.

If Pakistan really wanted to go in, then Pakistanis should ask Saudis to pay Pakistan 500 billion dollars upfront. Cash.

Saudi Arabia has about 800 billion dollars in foreign reserves and trillions of dollars in sovereign funds and foreign investments in West, sitting on top of an ocean of oil and gas worth nearly 100 trillion dollars in addition to making huge amount of money off the tens of millions of pilgrims each year (religious tourism).

Paying Pakistan 500 billion dollars would barely dent their finances.

But for Pakistan, it would be a change in destiny. All for a few troops stationed in Saudi Arabia to prevent a few bandits crossing over from Yemen or prevent a coup by Saudi military.

With such a payment Pakistan can pay off all its foreign debts for which Pakistan spends over 40% of its national budget each year to service its interests payments. And it can build a world class infrastructure for health, education, transportation, energy and finance.

But offering Pakistani soldiers as canon fodders for pittance and an empty future promise over emotional reasons, only damages Pakistan's national interests.

At least if you want to stand along side a draconian kingdom, do it for proper pay.

 

[pakdefender]

The last paragraph is the silliest !!!

Give and take: After Saudi requests, Pakistan devising its own wish-list - The Express Tribune

ISLAMABAD: After senior Saudi officials in Riyadh requested a high-powered Pakistani delegation both ‘material and manpower’ to tackle Houthi rebels attempting to gain control of Yemen, the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is mulling over what to ask Saudi Arabia in return.

The request was made during a two-day visit that ended on April 1. Pakistan’s wish list would be shared with Saudi authorities in the next round of talks, sources privy to the development told The Express Tribune.

While the top civil-military leadership of Pakistan is said to have decided joining the regional alliance along with Turkey to support the Saudi-led Operation Decisive Storm, the Nawaz-led government is trying to work out how the country could benefit from the alliance.

Riyadh is said to have asked for Pakistani troops as well as fighter jets and navy vessels for logistic support. Though the Pakistani authorities have not turned down the request, they are weighing their options for fulfilling it, said the sources.

They said the government would seek the approval of parliament for dispatching troops, but it would not enter the regional alliance without Turkey.

On a day-long visit to Turkey on Friday as part of his consultations with the brotherly countries on the Yemen conflict, Nawaz and his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoglu said they were willing to work together for a peaceful resolution of the crisis.

Sources said both the premiers also discussed the possible outcomes of their decision to join the Saudi-led military operation.

Saudi Arabia, the biggest buyer of Al-Khalid tanks, which were jointly developed by Pakistan and China, would be offered more materials for sale, said the sources. The Pakistan Air Force is also expected to negotiate a deal on combat aircraft JF-17 Thunder.

Regarding the Saudi request of gaining control of a swathe of land in Yemen and holding it until peace is restored in the country, the sources said the civil-military leadership has decided to join the military operation and not to take control of any single area.

Regarding the Special Services Group’s support to Saudi forces, the sources said the duration of their deployment would be for a short span, between two and three years, adding that if their services are required for a longer period of time, relevant conditions would be incorporated in the draft that Pakistan would put before the Saudi authorities.

About economic benefits for the country, the sources said the Pakistani authorities were interested in receiving sureties from Saudi Arabia at the forum of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) on some important issues. They said that if Pakistan joins the Saudi forces, then the GCC should ensure that when Pakistan feels threatened by India, then the GCC would not only slap restrictions on Indian employees working in the region but also support Pakistan on many fronts.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 6th, 2015.

we will obviously use the situation to our advantage , your butt hurt is understandable

 

[Kompromat]

GCC must do the honorable thing and make a token commitment to Pakistan's air defenses if a conflict with India breaks out. An added strength of GCC's state of the art air power will tip the airpower balance in Pakistan's favor. A one way relationship can work a few time but not always. Seeking Turkish involvement is also a wise thing to do. There is great synergy between ours and Turkish armed forces.

 

[mingle]

Express tribune is nothing but bafoons tribune i dout this story too .

 

[browser]

You underestimate the KSA's influence and strength, along with Pakistan's backing of it. The Saudis may not stop India from doing business in the kingdom, but they will downgrade their relationship, if it means that Pakistan backs their plans for a ground offensive.


It remains to be seen, that's simply a back up plan to lower any sort of Saudi anger.

Frankly this would be a welcome move for India and Pak would be doing us a favor.

About time we banned indian nationals from working in the Arab states.

On the question of business! What business?? It's mostly a one way street in us buying oil and if Saudi won't sell it am sure we can get it elsewhere.

 

[ganesh177]

If pakistan says NO to saudi request then saudis will show middle finger to pakistan in any further conflicts with india and kashmir issue.

 

[xyxmt]

If Pakistan can get assurance of sanctions on India if any conflict takes place, that will be a big win.

Sheikhs know there wont be anymore conflicts between India and Pakistan.

 

[TVVELVEMO$]

Pakistan must put national interest ahead of all else in such grave & strategic matters. If I may offer some talking points for these hyper-critical negotiations with the Saudis:

1. The Saudi are spinning it as if Pakistan has eagerly volunteered to join this Saudi-led campaign. It serves Pakistan better to have the Saudi make a formal request through their foreign minister in Islamabad. Pakistan must NOT appear to be a grunt but a leader in any such endeavor. Nevertheless, if this campaign fails it must not rest at Pakistan's doorstep.
2. As an appreciation of this, GCC can make Pakistan a member country and also a honorary member of Arab League. [sic]
3. It is useful to remember that Egypt has a commitment for 25-45 Billion dollars from GCC as multi-layered investments, cash, and other indirect instruments. Gives Pakistan a sense of scale of things.
4. Pakistan's commitment must NOT be open-ended but defined in time and scope.
5. It is useful to review history of committing land forces to this desolate piece of real estate. The Turks, British, Egyptians and Mesoptamian armies were chewed up by craggy lunarscape that resembles Waziristan. And yes the natives can be just as unwelcoming as the Pashtuns.
6. Pakistan will not just be fighting the Houthis but their Sunni allies as well. So beware of Sunni-on-Sunni dimension.
7. Saudi did not think this through. They currently do not have an endgame in sight. They are hoping Mr. Obama will be compelled to intervene somehow.
8. GCC transfers approx. 60-80 Billion dollars annually as remittances to Indian economy. If GCC were to withhold some of this mega transfer of wealth in deference to Pakistan, can you imagine the effect on Indian policy posture regarding all things Pakistan?
9. Some of those air dropped weapons in Aden look oddly familiar...like those seen at recent Arms Exposition!!!!
10. Iran has just about broken out of the penalty box. She will expect Pakistan to fast track the pipeline. This would be an excellent time to ask Iran and Saudi to make Pakistan competing offers for mega refineries plus 45-90 day crude storage reserve facilities at the Gwadar port. Keeping all options and communications open with the Iranians is advised at this stage.
11. Do confer with Xi when he arrives later this month in Pakistan to formalize that Sino Pak Economic & Energy Corridor (SPEEC).
12. Finally, remember Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund is presently around 870 Billion dollars. If I were the negotiator, my opening bid would be 100-80 Billion. In the end whatever Pakistan earns from this useless quagmire, please invest it in AIIB (New Chinese Bank) as a nested Sovereign Fund. That will be the best investment in the future of Pakistan. Remember to match or better Indian share in this Infrastructure Bank. It is like an invite to Bretton Woods. Such opportunities only come by once in a lifetime; there will be many more Yemens! There is no better investment for Pakistan.

 

[mingle]

Pakistan must put national interest ahead of all else in such grave & strategic matters. If I may offer some talking points for these hyper-critical negotiations with the Saudis:

1. The Saudi are spinning it as if Pakistan has eagerly volunteered to join this Saudi-led campaign. It serves Pakistan better to have the Saudi make a formal request through their foreign minister in Islamabad. Pakistan must NOT appear to be a grunt but a leader in any such endeavor. Nevertheless, if this campaign fails it must not rest at Pakistan's doorstep.
2. As an appreciation of this, GCC can make Pakistan a member country and also a honorary member of Arab League. [sic]
3. It is useful to remember that Egypt has a commitment for 25-45 Billion dollars from GCC as multi-layered investments, cash, and other indirect instruments. Gives Pakistan a sense of scale of things.
4. Pakistan's commitment must NOT be open-ended but defined in time and scope.
5. It is useful to review history of committing land forces to this desolate piece of real estate. The Turks, British, Egyptians and Mesoptamian armies were chewed up by craggy lunarscape that resembles Waziristan. And yes the natives can be just as unwelcoming as the Pashtuns.
6. Pakistan will not just be fighting the Houthis but their Sunni allies as well. So beware of Sunni-on-Sunni dimension.
7. Saudi did not think this through. They currently do not have an endgame in sight. They are hoping Mr. Obama will be compelled to intervene somehow.
8. GCC transfers approx. 60-80 Billion dollars annually as remittances to Indian economy. If GCC were to withhold some of this mega transfer of wealth in deference to Pakistan, can you imagine the effect on Indian policy posture regarding all things Pakistan?
9. Some of those air dropped weapons in Aden look oddly familiar...like those seen at recent Arms Exposition!!!!
10. Iran has just about broken out of the penalty box. She will expect Pakistan to fast track the pipeline. This would be an excellent time to ask Iran and Saudi to make Pakistan competing offers for mega refineries plus 45-90 day crude storage reserve facilities at the Gwadar port. Keeping all options and communications open with the Iranians is advised at this stage.
11. Do confer with Xi when he arrives later this month in Pakistan to formalize that Sino Pak Economic & Energy Corridor (SPEEC).
12. Finally, remember Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund is presently around 870 Billion dollars. If I were the negotiator, my opening bid would be 100-80 Billion. In the end whatever Pakistan earns from this useless quagmire, please invest it in AIIB (New Chinese Bank) as a nested Sovereign Fund. That will be the best investment in the future of Pakistan. Remember to match or better Indian share in this Infrastructure Bank. It is like an invite to Bretton Woods. Such opportunities only come by once in a lifetime; there will be many more Yemens! There is no better investment for Pakistan.

Wel said sir I read on saudi press agency they r investing 40 billions $$ in the real state sector Of eygpt

 

[TVVELVEMO$]

Wel said sir I read on saudi press agency they r investing 40 billions $$ in the real state sector Of eygpt

I cannot vouch for the figure (i.e. 40 Billion) but Egyptians are widening the Suez, planning a new port city on the Med. and buying a great deal of hardware. The scope of Egyptian military's imagination is much broader than real estate. BTW their Dassault deal is once again in jeopardy.

 

[mingle]

I cannot vouch for the figure (i.e. 40 Billion) but Egyptians are widening the Suez, planning a new port city on the Med. and buying a great deal of hardware. The scope of Egyptian military's imagination is much broader than real estate. BTW their Dassault deal is once again in jeopardy.

True but IT was some kind of housing project rest U said pretty correct But money is still there if not dassu may be euro fighter ?

 

[SrNair]

In that case Saudis should go alone for that.Because Indias trade with Arab world is around 200 billion $ and balance is heavily favour for them.

India is in a roadmap to reduce the import of oil to around 10% within one decade.If things goes like this now Indian diaspora in GCC would also become fractional in near future.

Any type of degrade willaffect them dearly.But if they dont have any problem with it then it is their choice.

You underestimate the KSA's influence and strength, along with Pakistan's backing of it. The Saudis may not stop India from doing business in the kingdom, but they will downgrade their relationship, if it means that Pakistan backs their plans for a ground offensive.


It remains to be seen, that's simply a back up plan to lower any sort of Saudi anger.

 

[Pulsar]

They said that if Pakistan joins the Saudi forces, then the GCC should ensure that when Pakistan feels threatened by India, then the GCC would not only slap restrictions on Indian employees working in the region but also support Pakistan on many fronts.

How churlish! This anti India hate is getting ridiculous!

 

[tarrar]

"They said that if Pakistan joins the Saudi forces, then the GCC should ensure that when Pakistan feels threatened by India, then the GCC would not only slap restrictions on Indian employees working in the region but also support Pakistan on many fronts."

Mid East is filled with Indian Mafia, I live in Bahrain I know these Indians very well. This is only lies from KSA & other arab countries.

In my personal opinion if Pakistan does decide to participate in war against Yemeni Houtis, then it should be nothing more than aerial strikes & drone strikes.

"high-powered Pakistani delegation"

They are spineless & corrupt people who are only looking for personal interests.

 

[third eye]

we will obviously use the situation to our advantage , your butt hurt is understandable

Promises which may not translate into anything at a later date is all what I have read posters here ask for.

If at all , Pak should ask KSA to fund education - free education for all upto school level , and graduation / post Grad for those who excel in studies.

Something like this will can be a game changer for generations to come. Not cash which will get squandered like it happened to stashes US gave.

There is no but hurt , just amusement.