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Sure it is , since past 14years ?
But sir don't you think for the development of the fighter plane from the ground with the engine devlopment in parallel needs long time. Look how Dassault with decades of experience takes how many years to complete Rafale.

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He is trolling and reporting my posts lol
The irony :crazy:

Anyways i m out lol
Sir, sorry but I have no intension to hurt you. I only requested you to take this conversation in a fun way and don't get him banned from this thread, because you directly quoted the mod. Pls sir, don't get annoyed !!
 
But sir don't you think for the development of the fighter plane from the ground with the engine devlopment in parallel needs long time. Look how Dassault with decades of experience takes how many years to complete Rafale.


Sir, sorry but I have no intension to hurt you. I only requested you to take this conversation in a fun way and don't get him banned from this thread, because you directly quoted the mod. Pls sir, don't get annoyed !!
I was not reporting him sir
Rather helping him report myself lol

You can contunue the fun
 
Jaguar could be license produce in HAL lines because all the equipments, dies are already with the HAL. It is good plane but it is designed as the Deep Strike Bomber i.e it is meant for attacking ground target and could fly just above tree level and follow the terrain to avoid the Radar Detection and don't possess internal air2air MMR(Radar) instead ground maping SAR MMR. Unlike PAF, IAF have categorically designated platform based on the Roles i.e Superiority fighter, point defence, ground attack, and multirole fighters. Atleast 15 Jaguar are designated as the naval strike role to carry out anti-ship and costal attack.

Jaguar upgrade for 140 birds have been comensed with the Darlin -3 upgrade program, following the Darlin-2 upgrade, which is the deep upgrade including the Engine and airframe strengthening and could easily give its service upto 2030. And if everything goes smooth should be replaced with AMCA.

Jaguar is really a combat proven platform that has survived in wars. I am sure that when IAF is planning a war then they will be utilizing these Jags for their famous "Threat" of "Surgical Operation in Pakistan". I am sure PAF has something on the other side to protect it against such formidable planes.
 
Jaguar is really a combat proven platform that has survived in wars. I am sure that when IAF is planning a war then they will be utilizing these Jags for their famous "Threat" of "Surgical Operation in Pakistan". I am sure PAF has something on the other side to protect it against such formidable planes.
Hymn. I am not the expert in this case but not for the surgical operation. Cruise missile is best for the first strike. Jaguar are for the SEAD/DEAD provided with the cover of Mig29 and the MKIs and for what it was designed for deep strike, low penetration ground attack against the installation, bases, radar facilities, weapon depots, etc.
 
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System ProfileJF-17
Aug 21, 2015Bilal Khan -
THE JF-17 II: INTRODUCING BVR & PRECISION STRIKE
By Bilal Khan

In my previous piece I took a high level look at the JF-17 program, and in broad strokes I identified the improvements it brought (and will continue) to bring to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). With this article, I am going to begin taking a deeper look at numerous aspects of the JF-17 program, e.g. the operational enhancements it offers to the PAF, its known and possible upgrade paths, and its place in the wider combat aircraft market. In this article, I am going to study the operational enhancements, specifically in terms of logistical and maintenance streamlining and boosting the PAF’s overall combat capabilities.

For some context, it would be a good idea to recall exactly what the PAF was flying prior to the induction of the JF-17 Block-I. Through the 1990s and most of the 2000s, the backbone of the PAF’s fleet was composed of the Chengdu F-7P/PG Skybolt and Dassault Mirage III & 5. In addition, the PAF also operated the A-5 (a ground-attack focused variant of the Shenyang F-6) and F-16A/B Block-15, the latter split between two squadrons (down from the original three when the fighter was originally inducted).

To help ease the shortfalls experienced as a result of the Pressler Amendment, the PAF also inducted surplus Mirage III & 5 aircraft from Australia, Spain, Lebanon and Libya, and subsequently upgraded many of the airframes under the Retrofit Strike Element (ROSE) program. It is worth noting that the ROSE program was, at least on its own terms, a good upgrade as it allowed the PAF to equip its Mirage IIIs with a suite of modern radars, avionics and ECM/EW equipment. In addition, it imbued the Mirage with the capability to use beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAM) and precision-guided munitions (PGM), though it is unclear if the PAF ever actually inducted BVRAAMs for the Mirage (ambiguous media reports notwithstanding). However, it did integrate its Mirages with the H-2 and H-4 series of precision-guided glide bombs (likely based on the Denel Raptor-I and II).

But the lack of new F-16s (or a modern fighter in lieu of it) was being felt, especially in the context of the Indian Air Force’s modernization programs (centering on the Su-30MKI). Simply replacing the F-7s and Mirages was not going to be enough for the PAF, it needed something that not only offered a substantive improvement, but gave it something that was in line with the expectations of the day. The sense one gets from the 1990s and 2000s is that most of the PAF’s fighters did not and – for the most part – could not utilize the latest in combat technology. Even the Mirages, which could be equipped with some level of BVR and precision-guided strike capability, had a limit in terms of longevity. I would consider the Grifo-M on the Mirage ROSE in the upper limits of what that fighter could house, but the JF-17 Block-I – with its KLJ-7 – is ahead, yet it is still in its infancy compared to the Mirage.

Put simply, whenever sanctions hit, PAF had to depend on fighters that were a generation behind the ‘current.’ In the aftermath of the 1965 War the PAF had to source F-6s from China, but like the rest of its contemporaries, I am sure it would have preferred grabbing the Northrop F-5 Tiger II. And then when it was supposed to have been receiving F-16s, it was stuck increasing its dependence on F-7s and Mirage IIIs and 5s. The JF-17 Block-I is a different story. It is a contemporary of the fighters currently in service all over the world as well as most of the fighters being inducted in the near future. Yes, it is not a high-performance platform like the Dassault Rafale, but it is a platform capable of using most (if not potentially all) of the very same munitions and subsystems found on those high-performance systems. The only real bottleneck would be Pakistan’s financial capacities (which we can credit and blame the political leadership of the country, civilian and military alike).

The JF-17 Block-I uses the KLJ-7 mechanically-steered pulse-Doppler radar (developed by the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology or NRIET), and it can track targets from 75km (at 3m2 RCS – i.e. radar cross-section, an object’s detectability on radar) to 130km (at 5m2 RCS). The KLJ-7 can track up to 10 targets at beyond visual range, and simultaneously engage two with active-radar air-to-air missiles, such as the SD-10. Specific details about the JF-17 Block-I’s electronic warfare (EW) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite are difficult to come by, but it is similar in concept to the systems used on modern Western aircraft, such as the F-16C/D Block-52+ currently in PAF service. For example, it has an EW suite housed in the tailfin to interfere with enemy radars. There is also a Missile Approach Warning (MAW) system and Radar Warning Receiver (RWR). In addition, the JF-17 can also use modern EW jamming pods such as the KG-300G and newer KG-600 (apparently used on PLAAF Su-30s).

Granted, the JF-17 is not equal or superior to the Block-52+, but it was not meant to be (for now at least). What it was intended for was to serve as a fully effective backbone fighter. In other words, it was designed to assume the same duties as the Block-52+, and as a result, enable the PAF to take on every one of its operational tasks and responsibilities without being bottlenecked by a deficiency in able aircraft. This fact is plainly apparent in the munitions the JF-17 currently uses; they are similar (and comparable) to their respective American equivalents used on the PAF’s Block-52+.



The current weapons inventory of the JF-17 is composed of the SD-10 BVRAAM, PL-5EII WVRAAM, C-802A anti-ship missile (AShM), the LT-2, and the LS line of PGBs. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the PAF ordered each of the aforementioned systems from China, and in large numbers (see chart below). It has also begun taking delivery of each munition.

The SD-10 is an active radar-guided BVRAAM with an approximate range of at least 70km. It functions in a similar manner to the AIM-120C5 (in use with the PAF’s F-16 Block-52+ and MLUs). The SD-10 is equipped with an active radar-guidance seeker as well as data-link supported inertial guidance system. The latter enables the SD-10 to be deployed mid-way to its prospective target, and in a later stage (i.e. the terminal or final stage) the active radar-guidance seeker can kick in to engage the target. Specific performance parameters are difficult to come by, but some have been willing to compare it to the AIM-120, such as Australian defence analyst Dr. Carlo Kopp. All that said, I would not rule out seeing improved iterations of it down the line (akin to the AIM-120), especially if the margin of improvement is significant.


The JF-17 with the SD-10. Photo credit to Air Power Australia and Zhuhai Imagery



The PL-5EII is the JF-17’s core within visual range air-to-air missile. Although derived from an older platform, the PL-5EII is rated by its chief vendor the China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) as “an improved 3rd generation short-range IR air-to-air missile, which features good anti-jamming capability and all-aspect attack capability.” Dr. Carlo Kopp put the PL-5EII in the same general category as the AIM-9M (which is also used by the PAF’s Block-52+ and MLU F-16s), and that is a fairly good category to be in, though one might prefer a 4thgeneration WVRAAM. And while there is a report out there suggesting that the PAF was at one interested in the Brazilian MAA-1B Piranha 2, that missile is still under development. Like the SD-10 in BVR, it seems that the PL-5EII is giving the PAF credible short-range air-to-air combat capabilities.


JF-17 with PL-5EII. Photo credit to Air Power Australia

The JF-17’s air-to-surface would probably be a bit more surprising. While it was broadly understood JF-17-program was intended to strengthen the PAF’s general air defence threshold, it was not clear to what extent the fighter’s air-to-surface capabilities would be realized. At present, the JF-17’s air-to-surface weapons inventory consists of the LT-2, LS-3, LS-6, C-802A and CM-400AKG.

The LT-2 is a laser-guided bomb kit designed for standard general purpose bombs (GPB). It is basically used to equip a GPB (such as potentially the Mk.82) with a laser-based guidance kit. Unlike satellite-aided PGBs, laser guided bombs (LGBs) can be used on a standalone basis, i.e. without the support of a satellite-network. The effectiveness of LGBs can suffer however from poor weather conditions.


The LT-2 LGB. Photo Credit to Air Power Australia and Zhuhai Imagery

The LS-3 and LS-6 are satellite-based PGB kits for 250kg and 500kg GPBs, respectively, and are similar to the Boeing Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kit for Mk-82 and Mk-83 GPBs. Like the JDAM, the LS-3/6 is meant to augment an existing GPB with a guidance-system and glide-system, enabling the bomb to not only be more precise, but exhibit more range. In fact, the more apt comparison for the LS-3/6 would be the JDAM-ER (short for ‘Extended Range’), a stand-off munition.


LS-6 PGB. Photo credit to Air Power Australia

It is worth noting Pakistan also has its own PGB programs, e.g. the H2 and H4 line of precision-guided glide-bombs (likely based on the Denel Raptor-I and II) used on the Mirage ROSE. In addition, Pakistani vendors such as Global Industrial & Defence Solutions (GIDS) have also developed satellite-guided PGB kits. The GIDS Takbir is one such system, and like the U.S Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) it seeks to emulate, it can be paired with the 250kg Mk-82 (and potentially 500kg Mk-83 and 1000kg Mk-84) series of GPBs, which the Pakistani company Air Weapons Complex produces.

The C-802A and CM-400AKG are anti-ship missiles (AShM). Both are, at heart, stand-off weapons in that they possess engagement ranges of 250-300km (assuming the variants Pakistan has are under the Missile Technology Control Regime limit of 300km). The C-802A is in line with emulating the Harpoon and Exocet-series of AShM, but the CM-400AKG is marketed as a hypersonic (Mach 4) missile designed to engage large ships such as aircraft carriers.


JF-17 with C-802 AShM

At this stage the JF-17 is serving the PAF as a proper multi-role fighter. It is equipped to adeptly support the PAF’s air defence responsibilities and, as it steadily assumes its post as backbone fighter, it will greatly improve the PAF’s attack and strike capabilities. It is evident from the above that the JF-17 is capable of taking on the very same roles as the Block-52+, and while it is not a superior platform, it is a modern and effective system the PAF can bank on in even the worst of times (i.e. sanctions).

But with all that said, I feel there are aspects to the JF-17’s induction that are not given their due. Yes, it is going diffusing strong air-to-air and air-to-surface capabilities across the whole fleet, but its transformative effects are going to run deeper.

Consider the fact that the JF-17 is replacing three separate platforms: The F-7P, Mirage III/5, and A-5. In supplanting those legacy fighter aircraft, the JF-17 is enabling the PAF to collapse three different logistical and maintenance channels into one single stream. In addition to streamlining costs in training, parts sourcing, etc, this change will allow the PAF to swiftly allocate JF-17s between each and every one of its air bases without having to worry about the receiving crew’s capacity to maintain and operate the aircraft (since the JF-17 is the sole backbone, most maintenance and flight personnel will be intimately familiar with it). In times of war the PAF can readily respond to dynamically shifting conditions, e.g. should Southern Command require more anti-ship capable fighters, available units from the North could be sent, and the South can adapt to using them immediately. These ‘little’ things can add up in times of war.


A visual representation of the aircraft the JF-17 is in the process of replacing. Note: The A-5 has already been phased out.

The third aspect (in addition to being able to carry advanced weapons and ease the PAF’s logistical priorities) is the network-centric nature of the JF-17. To be fair this shift is not tied to exclusively tothe JF-17, but is part of a wider shift in the PAF to tightly connect its key assets. By connecting land and air-based surveillance and communication network (involving radars, airborne early warning & control aircraft or AEW&C, fighter aircraft, and possibly even unmanned aerial vehicles) with a dependable high-bandwidth tactical data-link system, multiple PAF assets can share near real-time information with one another. For example, a surveillance UAV may pick up some unexpected movement in an area and it may relay that information to an AEW&C, ground personnel, or even fighter aircraft such as the JF-17.



Source: THE JF-17 II: INTRODUCING BVR & PRECISION STRIKE





Here is something which can answer all of your questions regarding , thunder !
Now compare it with your LCA where it stands ?
As it mentions million times ,,IAF is facing a joint threat from PAF & PLAF , its numbers of fighter aircrafts is to low ?
& even if LCA can be inducted in IAF , after 5 years from now on , the difference between IAF ,PAF & PLAAF would be massive & wouldn't be competed then what ?
 
@zebra7


PAKISTAN-JF-17-692x360.jpg



System ProfileJF-17
Aug 21, 2015Bilal Khan -
THE JF-17 II: INTRODUCING BVR & PRECISION STRIKE
By Bilal Khan

In my previous piece I took a high level look at the JF-17 program, and in broad strokes I identified the improvements it brought (and will continue) to bring to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). With this article, I am going to begin taking a deeper look at numerous aspects of the JF-17 program, e.g. the operational enhancements it offers to the PAF, its known and possible upgrade paths, and its place in the wider combat aircraft market. In this article, I am going to study the operational enhancements, specifically in terms of logistical and maintenance streamlining and boosting the PAF’s overall combat capabilities.

For some context, it would be a good idea to recall exactly what the PAF was flying prior to the induction of the JF-17 Block-I. Through the 1990s and most of the 2000s, the backbone of the PAF’s fleet was composed of the Chengdu F-7P/PG Skybolt and Dassault Mirage III & 5. In addition, the PAF also operated the A-5 (a ground-attack focused variant of the Shenyang F-6) and F-16A/B Block-15, the latter split between two squadrons (down from the original three when the fighter was originally inducted).

To help ease the shortfalls experienced as a result of the Pressler Amendment, the PAF also inducted surplus Mirage III & 5 aircraft from Australia, Spain, Lebanon and Libya, and subsequently upgraded many of the airframes under the Retrofit Strike Element (ROSE) program. It is worth noting that the ROSE program was, at least on its own terms, a good upgrade as it allowed the PAF to equip its Mirage IIIs with a suite of modern radars, avionics and ECM/EW equipment. In addition, it imbued the Mirage with the capability to use beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAM) and precision-guided munitions (PGM), though it is unclear if the PAF ever actually inducted BVRAAMs for the Mirage (ambiguous media reports notwithstanding). However, it did integrate its Mirages with the H-2 and H-4 series of precision-guided glide bombs (likely based on the Denel Raptor-I and II).

But the lack of new F-16s (or a modern fighter in lieu of it) was being felt, especially in the context of the Indian Air Force’s modernization programs (centering on the Su-30MKI). Simply replacing the F-7s and Mirages was not going to be enough for the PAF, it needed something that not only offered a substantive improvement, but gave it something that was in line with the expectations of the day. The sense one gets from the 1990s and 2000s is that most of the PAF’s fighters did not and – for the most part – could not utilize the latest in combat technology. Even the Mirages, which could be equipped with some level of BVR and precision-guided strike capability, had a limit in terms of longevity. I would consider the Grifo-M on the Mirage ROSE in the upper limits of what that fighter could house, but the JF-17 Block-I – with its KLJ-7 – is ahead, yet it is still in its infancy compared to the Mirage.

Put simply, whenever sanctions hit, PAF had to depend on fighters that were a generation behind the ‘current.’ In the aftermath of the 1965 War the PAF had to source F-6s from China, but like the rest of its contemporaries, I am sure it would have preferred grabbing the Northrop F-5 Tiger II. And then when it was supposed to have been receiving F-16s, it was stuck increasing its dependence on F-7s and Mirage IIIs and 5s. The JF-17 Block-I is a different story. It is a contemporary of the fighters currently in service all over the world as well as most of the fighters being inducted in the near future. Yes, it is not a high-performance platform like the Dassault Rafale, but it is a platform capable of using most (if not potentially all) of the very same munitions and subsystems found on those high-performance systems. The only real bottleneck would be Pakistan’s financial capacities (which we can credit and blame the political leadership of the country, civilian and military alike).

The JF-17 Block-I uses the KLJ-7 mechanically-steered pulse-Doppler radar (developed by the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology or NRIET), and it can track targets from 75km (at 3m2 RCS – i.e. radar cross-section, an object’s detectability on radar) to 130km (at 5m2 RCS). The KLJ-7 can track up to 10 targets at beyond visual range, and simultaneously engage two with active-radar air-to-air missiles, such as the SD-10. Specific details about the JF-17 Block-I’s electronic warfare (EW) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite are difficult to come by, but it is similar in concept to the systems used on modern Western aircraft, such as the F-16C/D Block-52+ currently in PAF service. For example, it has an EW suite housed in the tailfin to interfere with enemy radars. There is also a Missile Approach Warning (MAW) system and Radar Warning Receiver (RWR). In addition, the JF-17 can also use modern EW jamming pods such as the KG-300G and newer KG-600 (apparently used on PLAAF Su-30s).

Granted, the JF-17 is not equal or superior to the Block-52+, but it was not meant to be (for now at least). What it was intended for was to serve as a fully effective backbone fighter. In other words, it was designed to assume the same duties as the Block-52+, and as a result, enable the PAF to take on every one of its operational tasks and responsibilities without being bottlenecked by a deficiency in able aircraft. This fact is plainly apparent in the munitions the JF-17 currently uses; they are similar (and comparable) to their respective American equivalents used on the PAF’s Block-52+.



The current weapons inventory of the JF-17 is composed of the SD-10 BVRAAM, PL-5EII WVRAAM, C-802A anti-ship missile (AShM), the LT-2, and the LS line of PGBs. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the PAF ordered each of the aforementioned systems from China, and in large numbers (see chart below). It has also begun taking delivery of each munition.

The SD-10 is an active radar-guided BVRAAM with an approximate range of at least 70km. It functions in a similar manner to the AIM-120C5 (in use with the PAF’s F-16 Block-52+ and MLUs). The SD-10 is equipped with an active radar-guidance seeker as well as data-link supported inertial guidance system. The latter enables the SD-10 to be deployed mid-way to its prospective target, and in a later stage (i.e. the terminal or final stage) the active radar-guidance seeker can kick in to engage the target. Specific performance parameters are difficult to come by, but some have been willing to compare it to the AIM-120, such as Australian defence analyst Dr. Carlo Kopp. All that said, I would not rule out seeing improved iterations of it down the line (akin to the AIM-120), especially if the margin of improvement is significant.


The JF-17 with the SD-10. Photo credit to Air Power Australia and Zhuhai Imagery



The PL-5EII is the JF-17’s core within visual range air-to-air missile. Although derived from an older platform, the PL-5EII is rated by its chief vendor the China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) as “an improved 3rd generation short-range IR air-to-air missile, which features good anti-jamming capability and all-aspect attack capability.” Dr. Carlo Kopp put the PL-5EII in the same general category as the AIM-9M (which is also used by the PAF’s Block-52+ and MLU F-16s), and that is a fairly good category to be in, though one might prefer a 4thgeneration WVRAAM. And while there is a report out there suggesting that the PAF was at one interested in the Brazilian MAA-1B Piranha 2, that missile is still under development. Like the SD-10 in BVR, it seems that the PL-5EII is giving the PAF credible short-range air-to-air combat capabilities.


JF-17 with PL-5EII. Photo credit to Air Power Australia

The JF-17’s air-to-surface would probably be a bit more surprising. While it was broadly understood JF-17-program was intended to strengthen the PAF’s general air defence threshold, it was not clear to what extent the fighter’s air-to-surface capabilities would be realized. At present, the JF-17’s air-to-surface weapons inventory consists of the LT-2, LS-3, LS-6, C-802A and CM-400AKG.

The LT-2 is a laser-guided bomb kit designed for standard general purpose bombs (GPB). It is basically used to equip a GPB (such as potentially the Mk.82) with a laser-based guidance kit. Unlike satellite-aided PGBs, laser guided bombs (LGBs) can be used on a standalone basis, i.e. without the support of a satellite-network. The effectiveness of LGBs can suffer however from poor weather conditions.


The LT-2 LGB. Photo Credit to Air Power Australia and Zhuhai Imagery

The LS-3 and LS-6 are satellite-based PGB kits for 250kg and 500kg GPBs, respectively, and are similar to the Boeing Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kit for Mk-82 and Mk-83 GPBs. Like the JDAM, the LS-3/6 is meant to augment an existing GPB with a guidance-system and glide-system, enabling the bomb to not only be more precise, but exhibit more range. In fact, the more apt comparison for the LS-3/6 would be the JDAM-ER (short for ‘Extended Range’), a stand-off munition.


LS-6 PGB. Photo credit to Air Power Australia

It is worth noting Pakistan also has its own PGB programs, e.g. the H2 and H4 line of precision-guided glide-bombs (likely based on the Denel Raptor-I and II) used on the Mirage ROSE. In addition, Pakistani vendors such as Global Industrial & Defence Solutions (GIDS) have also developed satellite-guided PGB kits. The GIDS Takbir is one such system, and like the U.S Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) it seeks to emulate, it can be paired with the 250kg Mk-82 (and potentially 500kg Mk-83 and 1000kg Mk-84) series of GPBs, which the Pakistani company Air Weapons Complex produces.

The C-802A and CM-400AKG are anti-ship missiles (AShM). Both are, at heart, stand-off weapons in that they possess engagement ranges of 250-300km (assuming the variants Pakistan has are under the Missile Technology Control Regime limit of 300km). The C-802A is in line with emulating the Harpoon and Exocet-series of AShM, but the CM-400AKG is marketed as a hypersonic (Mach 4) missile designed to engage large ships such as aircraft carriers.


JF-17 with C-802 AShM

At this stage the JF-17 is serving the PAF as a proper multi-role fighter. It is equipped to adeptly support the PAF’s air defence responsibilities and, as it steadily assumes its post as backbone fighter, it will greatly improve the PAF’s attack and strike capabilities. It is evident from the above that the JF-17 is capable of taking on the very same roles as the Block-52+, and while it is not a superior platform, it is a modern and effective system the PAF can bank on in even the worst of times (i.e. sanctions).

But with all that said, I feel there are aspects to the JF-17’s induction that are not given their due. Yes, it is going diffusing strong air-to-air and air-to-surface capabilities across the whole fleet, but its transformative effects are going to run deeper.

Consider the fact that the JF-17 is replacing three separate platforms: The F-7P, Mirage III/5, and A-5. In supplanting those legacy fighter aircraft, the JF-17 is enabling the PAF to collapse three different logistical and maintenance channels into one single stream. In addition to streamlining costs in training, parts sourcing, etc, this change will allow the PAF to swiftly allocate JF-17s between each and every one of its air bases without having to worry about the receiving crew’s capacity to maintain and operate the aircraft (since the JF-17 is the sole backbone, most maintenance and flight personnel will be intimately familiar with it). In times of war the PAF can readily respond to dynamically shifting conditions, e.g. should Southern Command require more anti-ship capable fighters, available units from the North could be sent, and the South can adapt to using them immediately. These ‘little’ things can add up in times of war.


A visual representation of the aircraft the JF-17 is in the process of replacing. Note: The A-5 has already been phased out.

The third aspect (in addition to being able to carry advanced weapons and ease the PAF’s logistical priorities) is the network-centric nature of the JF-17. To be fair this shift is not tied to exclusively tothe JF-17, but is part of a wider shift in the PAF to tightly connect its key assets. By connecting land and air-based surveillance and communication network (involving radars, airborne early warning & control aircraft or AEW&C, fighter aircraft, and possibly even unmanned aerial vehicles) with a dependable high-bandwidth tactical data-link system, multiple PAF assets can share near real-time information with one another. For example, a surveillance UAV may pick up some unexpected movement in an area and it may relay that information to an AEW&C, ground personnel, or even fighter aircraft such as the JF-17.



Source: THE JF-17 II: INTRODUCING BVR & PRECISION STRIKE





Here is something which can answer all of your questions regarding , thunder !
Now compare it with your LCA where it stands ?
As it mentions million times ,,IAF is facing a joint threat from PAF & PLAF , its numbers of fighter aircrafts is to low ?
& even if LCA can be inducted in IAF , after 5 years from now on , the difference between IAF ,PAF & PLAAF would be massive & wouldn't be competed then what ?
Are Janab aap ne to pura artiple hi CHEEP Mara, Pura environment hee BILAL BILAL ho Gaya hai.
Where is my answer in this whole article ? FOC hua ki Nahi ?
 
Are Janab aap ne to pura artiple hi CHEEP Mara, Pura environment hee BILAL BILAL ho Gaya hai.
Where is my answer in this whole article ? FOC hua ki Nahi ?
That's enough for you , more then that come to thunder threads ???
sure we will enlighten your unbeefed up brains ?lolzz
 
I mean that's a brutal joke , on yourself pretending that we are afraid of your military might ?lolzz
We like competition , for me if India buys a lot of costly hardware my purpose is well served by pushing PAF to do more ?
& get more gadgets ?
If there is no competition , then there will be no gadgets on either side ?
I want war , I'm a warrior , being to peacefully makes me being boored ?lolzz
In the end I'm the few living , crazy guys of our side from kargill , so we love war hate peace ?
We been trained with a moto "DO & DIE DONT ASK WHY" in the name of greater Pakistan !
We give everything what we can find on earth !
remember any war between us & you will cleans a huge land of every living thing on earth ?
Let's go for that ?
Are you ready for big toys ?lolzz
he he he looks like i touched a raw nerve .... dint i :azn: :haha:

sirji the thing in nutshell is we dint had all the required techs to make a fourth gen fighter jet and so we went for way too much with respect to R&D in almost all aspects of fighter tech but were not successfull but we at least tried and in the process figured owt many new things which we need to develop first to get to technical level of legacy fighter jet manufacturing companies and deu to corruption and incompetency of owr political and beurocratik elite it got further delayed but now after so many trials and re tarials and so many flight testings we have after all figured owt how to put the jigsaw puzzle together and that is the biggest take away from LCA programme (in short:its all about filling the technical gap)

now about LCA no matter how much pakistanies make fun of it they are worried about it as

its the smallest and most compact fighter jet in its class with many RCS reducing features and very high usage of composite materials in its bodywork and skin (more than 40% in overall body and more than 95% in skin which is next onli to usage of carbon composites in eurofighter typhoon)which furether reduces its overall RCS

and with highly durable and trouble free yet powerfull and light american engine

Lightning G4 LDP , Dash HMDS , EL-2032 radar and israeli , french and indian mix of avionicks , wepons and support equipment it is infact a very leathel pakage

and with all kinds of american , israeli PGMs & LGBs, israeli air to air missiles not many fighters in south asia can be said to be capable to counter it in a fight (as it is point defnce /internal air interception/homeland security fighter)

but guess what if you are such a brave warrior even tejas is last of your worries what you have to fear are 100+Mig29s(air force & Naval) 53 M2Ks , 150 Bisons and 170+Jags & some 5 full squads of MKI(18X5=90) think about how you gonna counter them :sarcastic:
 
FOC hua ki Nahi ?

Ji hogaya hai.
It is fully operational in Sqd# 2, 16 & 26.
Plus atleast 5 JF-17s have been inducted in the Combat Commander's School (PAF's Fighter Tactics and DACT establishment at Mushaf Air Base Sargodha).
You don't put a fighter in CCS unless it is FOC cleared among other things.
It also, indicates that quite a satisfactory level of proficiency and a clear cut strategy of how to utilize it has been attained with the platform.
 
Ji hogaya hai.
It is fully operational in Sqd# 2, 16 & 26.
Plus atleast 5 JF-17s have been inducted in the Combat Commander's School (PAF's Fighter Tactics and DACT establishment at Mushaf Air Base Sargodha).
You don't put a fighter in CCS unless it is FOC cleared among other things.
It also, indicates that quite a satisfactory level of proficiency and a clear cut strategy of how to utilize it has been attained with the platform.
You don't put a fighter in CCS unless it is FOC cleared among other things

Is there any rule for that. Even the trainer version with IOC could be deployed there.
 
You don't put a fighter in CCS unless it is FOC cleared among other things

Is there any rule for that. Even the trainer version with IOC could be deployed there.

As far as I know ... that is not how CCS works.
 
Reported off topic !
Stay on the topic !
Doesn't matters what terms you can put in ?
Reality still stays there , there is not a single sqdrn of LCA in IAF , that's the most funny part is , all of your super dupper , technical gurus can't make a single sqdrn LCA & their referennce s are almost from NASA ?LOL
I dont waste my time in it ?
I'm having fun on you ?lolzz

We do it as per the process...get FOC first. We are not desperate to get just any junk..:)
 
he he he looks like i touched a raw nerve .... dint i :azn: :haha:

sirji the thing in nutshell is we dint had all the required techs to make a fourth gen fighter jet and so we went for way too much with respect to R&D in almost all aspects of fighter tech but were not successfull but we at least tried and in the process figured owt many new things which we need to develop first to get to technical level of legacy fighter jet manufacturing companies and deu to corruption and incompetency of owr political and beurocratik elite it got further delayed but now after so many trials and re tarials and so many flight testings we have after all figured owt how to put the jigsaw puzzle together and that is the biggest take away from LCA programme (in short:its all about filling the technical gap)

now about LCA no matter how much pakistanies make fun of it they are worried about it as

its the smallest and most compact fighter jet in its class with many RCS reducing features and very high usage of composite materials in its bodywork and skin (more than 40% in overall body and more than 95% in skin which is next onli to usage of carbon composites in eurofighter typhoon)which furether reduces its overall RCS

and with highly durable and trouble free yet powerfull and light american engine

Lightning G4 LDP , Dash HMDS , EL-2032 radar and israeli , french and indian mix of avionicks , wepons and support equipment it is infact a very leathel pakage

and with all kinds of american , israeli PGMs & LGBs, israeli air to air missiles not many fighters in south asia can be said to be capable to counter it in a fight (as it is point defnce /internal air interception/homeland security fighter)

but guess what if you are such a brave warrior even tejas is last of your worries what you have to fear are 100+Mig29s(air force & Naval) 53 M2Ks , 150 Bisons and 170+Jags & some 5 full squads of MKI(18X5=90) think about how you gonna counter them :sarcastic:
We don't fear anything out of your weaponry boxes ?
Specially LCA , now a days peoples in Pakistan often joke giving each other a LCA , which brings a lot of laughter ?lolzz
& that's it ?
Cause we know , it will all ends up on our fingers on our red buttons ?lolzz
So , actually we are not much concerned about mkki -vgsgngds at all , cause we have our bird which can take all of your flying cofins ?
& I am having same level of fun , as we use to take eye ball shots of your mountaineers brigade soldiers during kargill ?lolzz

We do it as per the process...get FOC first. We are not desperate to get just any junk..:)
Sure 14 years past , keep it up , take as much time you want , more 50 would be enough ?lolzz

Sqdrns no what of IAF , with how many operational LCAs ?
Yes sure tea boy look , like a sweeper on the exhibition on front of that panaflex jet ?lolzz
Aur sikhaoon kiya ?lolzz
 
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