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France slams Russia, China block on UN Syria vote

enough is enough
Russian are very old friends of Syria
Syria is biggest arm importer of Russian weapons
Russian will be going to use Syrian port for its navy in future which will allow Russian presence in Mediterranean sea
with out current govt Russian can't access to Mediterranean sea

Lets not see Russians like we see the US, they nowadays do not force other countries for their wish for power, but they have grown in to a good leader along with China to replace US and its alies from the top post in the Planet
 
enough is enough
Russian are very old friends of Syria
Syria is biggest arm importer of Russian weapons
Russian will be going to use Syrian port for its navy in future which will allow Russian presence in Mediterranean sea
with out current govt Russian can't access to Mediterranean sea

True. Could also be part of the standoff Russia currently has with the NATO with regards to the missile defence shield in central Asia.
 
Failure would have been the bombing of Khartoum and forcibly creating a new Christian country of South Sudan which would forever have been viewed as an enemy and an entity to be destroyed by every Muslim nation in existence.

Then according to you the Rwandan genocide in 1994 where the Hutu massacred about 800.000 Tutsis is a perfect example of non-intervention. Do you really think that staying passive while thousands of innocent children and women are being raped and brutally massacred can be justified? Even though you can prevent it?
 
Then according to you the Rwandan genocide in 1994 where the Hutu massacred about 800.000 Tutsis is a perfect example of non-intervention. Do you really think that staying passive while thousands of innocent children and women are being raped and brutally massacred can be justified? Even though you can prevent it?

No I don't. BUt when it comes to a separatist groups or question of anti-government protests it's best left to the country itself. I don't defend genocide or human rights abuse, but abusing the sovereignty of a nation by armed interference should ALWAYS be the last resort.
 
A couple of human violations in Libya:

Gaddafi's response to peaceful demonstrations
Luis Moreno Ocampo, chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, estimated that 500-700 people were killed by Col. Gaddafi's security forces in February 2011, before the rebels even took up arms. “Shooting at protestors was systematic,” Mr. Moreno-Ocampo stated, discussing the Libyan government's response to the initial pro-democracy demonstrations.

Allegations of mass rape
A Libyan psychologist, Siham Sergewa, conducted a survey of refugees in Tunisia and Egypt to document the trauma of the civil war. Nearly 300 women reported having been raped. The real number is probably much higher, considering the stigma attached to rape victims in Libyan society. Every single woman in the survey who admitted to being raped, said they were raped by Col. Gaddafi's soldiers or militiamen.

The Daily Telegraph studied the case of a sixteen-year-old captured Chadian child soldier in Al-Bayda. The boy, who had previously been a shepherd in Chad, told that a Libyan man had offered him a job and a free flight to Tripoli, but in the end he had been airlifted to shoot opposition members in Eastern Libya.

According to numerous eyewitness accounts, mercenaries were more willing to kill demonstrators than Libyan forces were, and earned a reputation as among the most brutal forces employed by the regime. A doctor in Benghazi said of the mercenaries that "they know one thing: to kill whose in front of them. Nothing else. They're killing people in cold blood".

During manhunts for Gaddafi loyalists in rebel areas, numerous blacks were arrested and imprisoned or executed as mercenaries. However, the rebels later acknowledged that most of them were in reality immigrant foreign workers.

The Libyan government employed snipers, artillery, helicopter gunships, warplanes, anti-aircraft weaponry, and warships against demonstrations and funeral processions.[36] Security forces and foreign mercenaries repeatedly used firearms, including assault rifles and machine guns, as well as knives against protesters.

Military commanders summarily executed soldiers who refused to fire on protesters.[44][45] The International Federation for Human Rights reported a case where 130 soldiers were executed.[46] Some of the soldiers executed by their commanders were burned alive.

Gaddafi's response to 2011 Libyan protests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Human rights violations in the 2011 Libyan civil war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Then according to you the Rwandan genocide in 1994 where the Hutu massacred about 800.000 Tutsis is a perfect example of non-intervention. Do you really think that staying passive while thousands of innocent children and women are being raped and brutally massacred can be justified? Even though you can prevent it?

That was a mob pitched againts a mob and thats not the case with Siriya. sure at some point in time Azad will himself feel helpless and leave the country for good after a prolonged protest. Freedom does not come simply, you have to face the crack down and crack the crack down to make Siriya a strong country
 
That was a mob pitched againts a mob and thats not the case with Siriya. sure at some point in time Azad will himself feel helpless and leave the country for good after a prolonged protest. Freedom does not come simply, you have to face the crack down and crack the crack down to make Siriya a strong country

But in the meantime Asad continues human violations on a massive scale. Why should we stand still when the protesters in Syria are screaming for our help? Their accounts (refugees in Turkey) tell how brutal the soldiers act against the anti-assad protesters.
 
France slams Russia, China block on UN Syria vote

July 13, 2011 11:28 AM
The Daily Star


PARIS: France on Wednesday slammed as "indecent" Russia and China's "blocking" of a proposed United Nations resolution condemning Syria's deadly crackdown on anti-regime protests.

"It is indecent because (Syrian leader) Bashar Al-Assad has mobilised incredible resources to neutralise his opposition," said Defence Minister Gerard Longuet.

"Countries... like China... and Russia must accept common rules: one does not deal with one's opposition with cannon fire," he told LCI television news channel.

French Prime Minister Francois Fillon on Monday said it was "no longer acceptable" that Russia and China were allowed to block a proposed resolution to the UN Security Council on Syria.

France, Britain, Germany and Portugal have proposed the resolution condemning the crackdown by Assad's government. Russia and China are strongly opposed and Brazil, South Africa and India have raised strong objections.

Mobs attacked the French and US embassies in Damascus on Monday after the ambassadors of the two countries last week travelled to the flashpoint protest city of Hama, north of the capital.



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Why dont the french slam the americans for using their veto against palestinians. Usual western bullshit hypocracy
 
But in the meantime Azad continues human violations on a massive scale. Why should we stand still when the protesters in Syria are screaming for our help? Their accounts (refugees in Turkey) tell how brutal the soldiers act against the anti-assad protesters.

Why Syria or Yemen? Why not Bahrain or North Korea or even China in some cases? Because Syria and Yemen cannot fight back!!! And disposing him will not bring stability to the nation. What you will be left with is infighting factions. Look at Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. Name one place where intervention ended peacefully?
 
Iraq and Afghanistan were the worst forms of human violations executed by the hypocrites of USA and some Western countries. But you can under no circumstances compare Iraq and Afghanistan with Libya, Egypt and Syria, the people in Libya and Syria are screaming for a change but they do not have in their power to do so like in Egypt. Egypt was succesfull because they are a ancient civilization with a strong social order/mentality. Whereas Syria and Libya have very weak foundations. Turkey with its peaceful past in Libya and Syria (the Ottoman Empire) could help these countries by extensively giving them a helping hand, especially in Syria. Syrians love Turks because we have a brotherly relation with them (family ties, cultural ties etc.) Hence, Turkey could play a bridging role between Asad and the protesters, BUT the problem is Asad won't listen to Turkey anymore.
 
Iraq and Afghanistan were the worst forms of human violations executed by the hypocrites of USA and some Western countries. But you can under no circumstances compare Iraq and Afghanistan with Libya, Egypt and Syria, the people in Libya and Syria are screaming for a change but they do not have in their power to do so like in Egypt. Egypt was succesfull because they are a ancient civilization with a strong social order/mentality. Whereas Syria and Libya have very weak foundations. Turkey with its peaceful past in Libya and Syria (the Ottoman Empire) could help these countries by extensively giving them a helping hand, especially in Syria. Syrians love Turks because we have a brotherly relation with them (family ties, cultural ties etc.) Hence, Turkey could play a bridging role between Asad and the protesters, BUT the problem is Asad won't listen to Turkey anymore.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I'd rather not see another war.
 
Good news. China and Russia saved one more country. We should write this into textbook.
 
France would just have to accept the fact that it has lost its credibility after the no fly zone to "protect" Libyan civilians turned into a indiscriminate bombing campaign that cost civilian lives (note the irony).
 
Russia is building a navy base in Syria since Russia wants to become the neo-soviet or maybe go back to the glory of Medieval Russia. Either way they will not tolerate losing a base in the Mediterranean Seaز

Russia today is not the Soviet union, OK, it just wants its superpower Military back so NATO/US don't get any funny ideas. But communism is long dead in Russia, its now a free market economy just like the West.
 

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