Fool Your Neighbors

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  1. Stumper
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    Russia exports a lot of armaments and military equipments to other countries. Some more countries would like to buy it too but their budgets can’t afford them to do this, so Russian engineers have created a full set of fake weaponry for some countries. If you are a military leader of some not-so-rich country you can be as cool as your more wealthy neighbors. It would be just like a real thing for the foreign satellites or spy-planes, just bring it to the place, inflate and you are done

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    Checkout the complete set at : http://englishrussia.com/?p=2025
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    The countries who would be buying this stuff are fools, esp. if they are not-so-rich countries.
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    These are decoys which are used extensively to confuse the enemy of your own deployment.

    These are not to be mistaken for inflatable dolls.
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    thats some stuff :D
    wud look like the real thing from a sattellite or a recon plane...
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    What if your neighbors think that you are getting a big settlement on the border and planning to attack so they do the first strike.

    Specially if you china as your neighbor and have kind of sour relation with them.
    may be not a very good idea.
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    A good example of dummies used during world war II..

    D-Day deception:"Fortitude South"​


    Planning D-Day
    Thousands of soldiers lives were saved by an elaborate but little-known deception in World War II - code-named "Fortitude South". When the Allies started planning the "Second Front" in 1943, they knew that landing on the far side of the channel and securing a bridgehead would be the most difficult part.

    Whilst they planned to land in Normandy, they decided to try and deceive the Germans into thinking that the main attack would come in the Pas-de-Calais and the Low Countries to the east.

    The Atlantic Wall
    The Germans expected an invasion. They had erected strong fortifications right along the coast: beaches were lethal jungles of mines and barbed wire; guns faced out to sea; reinforcements waited inland.

    Creating a phantom landing force
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    Dummy landing craft


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    German aerial photo of dummy craft in Dover Harbour

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    Inflatable "tank"

    From 1943, a skilled team worked to create the illusion of a large invasion force being massed in Kent. Dummy tanks and aircraft were built of inflatable rubber and placed in realistic looking "camps". Harbours were filled with fleets of mock landing craft. To German reconnaissance aircraft, it all looked real, even down to attempts at camouflage. Knowing that German intelligence would be trying to find out more, double agents planted stories and documents with known German spies. US General Patton was supposedly commander of the non-existent force. Pretend radio transmissions were broadcast, just as if a large army were busy being organised.

    The hoax was successful beyond the Allies wildest hopes. German forces were concentrated in the Pas-de-Calais. The deception continued during and after D-Day. While the real invasion force landed in Normandy, Allied planes dropped silver foil to give the impression of massed planes and ships crossing from Dover. The Germans thought the Normandy landings were a diversion, and kept back reserves of tanks and troops in the Calais area - to counter what they thought would be the "real" invasion. By the time they realised, it was too late. The Normandy bridgehead had been secured, and Allied troops were fighting their way across northern France.
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    Some more...

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    K-sites: Dummy airstations used for daytime deception. Major problem was the high cost to construct convincing imitations. The K-sites required up to 24 servicemen to maintain. Real hedges trimmed to look like fake hedges which normally camouflage air stations were also provided. The stations housed old, obsolete and phony aircraft. By November 1940 there were 60 dummy aerodromes in Britain.

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    # Fake Fleet: A fake fleet including four destroyers constructed out of paper, string, and canvas were created to attract German Bombers into areas heavily protected by RAF fighters. The obvious problem was where to put the fleet. No port city wanted the ships. The ships required moorings alongside the docks. This meant that stray bombs not only might damage the docks but the city itself. Port city political and military leaders viewed the ships as a hazard, attracting enemy bombers to areas they would not have attacked otherwise. Finally, docking the fake fleet in a port would crowd the other ships and make them easier targets for German dive bombers.

    # Analysis: The fake fleet proved bad for the morale of the citizenry. Part of the success of the phony aerodromes and Starfish sites had been location. Not only were they built away from the true military targets but they were also built away from the cities and towns. In his zeal to deceive the German invader, Colonel Turner failed to follow the rule of locating potential bombing targets away from populated areas. The fake fleet proved overall to be a failure.
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    Surely advanced imagery can differentiate between rubber and metal?
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    Yup..newer high resolution camera's might pick out the details better, these were better to fool the initial cameras and the mark 1 eyeball.
    However.. the first installation of the sam site may still be quite effective, considering its pretty realistically detailed. Add to it a few troops here and there.. to add to the drama. However, it would be unusual for a hostile aircraft to fly overhead to what looks like a fully deployed sa-10 site and not get painted. Not to mention in case he peeps at it using a flir and finds the metal barrels fluttering in wind.
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    Yup. We (USAF), usually attack at night using IR targeting. Decoys would not work.

    Nice kitty santro.:D
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    thanks falcon.. but this kitty is about 3 years old.. and as big as a dachshund..
    eats like a pig, sleeps at my feet.. and runs away after ugly street kitties even though I got him a nice kitty just like him at home. Shows how common males are in most mammals. Has a nice girl at home but has to go outside for the bad skinny ugly one.
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    Radar signals behave differently on different materials and can be used to correlate with imagery intel.
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    LoL. :lol:
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    Decoys have small pieces of metals inside. Now you are suggesting that they can become real by adding a heat device. Nice!
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    You have got to be joking...Let me laugh for a moment...

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    Take a typical internal combustion engined four-wheel transport vehicle for a moment. Overall, the largest heat source will be the engine, but other sources could be the brakes -- four of them. How about headlights? Even Vietnam War era sensor can discern the seat that retain heat from a body. The more a decoy is designed to be as close to the real as possible, the costlier the decoy become. So how much are you willing to spend? Enough that you might as well build the real thing? Do some critical thinking.