Fighter TWRs compared

[F111]

If this is posted already then my apologies.

TWR compared with constant weights.


T/W ratio = Max Thrust of Engine(s) / (Empty Weight + (3.505 tonnes of fuel & weapons, or only internal Fuel))

1.48 - F-15K
1.37 - F-22
1.32 - Su-35BM
1.29 - F-15C
1.26 - Su-27S
1.25 - Eurofighter
1.23 - Su-27SK & J-11A
1.22 - Su-30MKI
1.19 - Rafale C
1.18 - Mig-29M/M2
1.16 - Su-30MKK
1.15 - Mig-29A
1.148 - F/A-18E/F
1.10 - F-16 Block 52
1.09 - F-16 Block 60
1.09 - F-16 Block 50
1.09 - F-18C
1.08 - F-35A
1.08 - F-14D
1.06 - Mig-29k
1.03 - F-2A
1.01 - J-10
1.008 - J-8II
1.00 - F-35B
0.99 - MiG-23MLD
0.94 - F-35C
0.94 - Gripen NG
0.94 - F-4E
0.91 - Mig-23MF (& BN ?)
0.88 - Mirage 2000 C & H
0.88 - LCA
0.87 - F-14A
0.86 - F.CK-1
0.84 - JF-17
0.84 - Mig-19S**
0.83 - Tornado F3 Air Defence Variant
0.81 - Mig-27K
0.81 - F-20
0.80 - Mig-21 Bis (T/W - 1.12 in extra thrust mode)
0.79 - Kfir
0.76 - J-7E & F-7BG
0.70 - F-7PG
0.69 - Mig-21 F-13
0.68 - F-7MB
0.66 - Mirage F-1
0.58 - F-5E Tiger-II
0.57 - Mirage-IIIE & 5

Pure Interceptors
1.22 - Mig-31E
0.87 - MiG-25P Foxbat-A


Empty Weight - Thrust - Fighter

31,700 - 29,160 X 2 - F-15K
43,340 - 35,000 X 2 - F-22
40,565 - 31,967 X 2 - Su-35BM
28,600 - 23,450 X 2 - F-15C
35,935 - 27,557 X 2 - Su-27S
24,250 - 20,000 X 2 - Eurofighter
37,192 - 27,557 X 2 - Su-27SK & J-11A
40,565 - 29,400 X 2 - Su-30MKI
20,948 - 17,000 X 2 - Rafale C
25,573 - 19,580 X 2 - Mig-29M/M2
39,903 - 27,557 X 2 - Su-30MKK
24,030 - 18,300 X 2 - Mig-29A
30,600 - 22,000 X 2 - F/A-18E/F
18,780 - 29,160 X 1 - F-16 Block 52
22,000 - 32,500 X 1 - F-16 Block 60
19,200 - 29,400 X 1 - F-16 Block 50
24,700 - 17,700 X 2 - F-18C
29,300 - 39,900 X 1 - F-35A
43,735 - 27,800 X 2 - F-14D
29,211 - 19,580 X 2 - Mig-29K
21,000 - 29,500 X 1 - F-2A
19,544 - 27,557 X 1 - J-10
21,653 - 14,815 X 2 - J-8II
32,000 - 39,900 X 1 - F-35B
21,153 - 28,660 X 1 - MiG-23MLD
34,800 - 39,900 X 1 - F-35C
15,653 - 22,000 X 1 - Gripen NG
30,328 - 17,845 X 1 - F-4E
22,487 - 27,562 X 1 - Mig-23MF (& BN ?)
16,538 - 21,380 X 1 - Mirage 2000 C & H
14,100 - 19,100 X 1 - LCA
40,104 - 20,900 X 2 - F-14A
14,300 - 09,500 X 2 - ****-1
14,134 - 18,300 X 1 - JF-17
11,983 - 08,300 X 2 - Mig-19S**
32,000 - 16,410 X 2 - Tornado F3 Air Defence Variant
26,252 - 27,562 X 1 - Mig-27K
13,150 - 17,000 X 1 - F-20
11,770 - 15,650 X 1 - Mig-21 Bis (21,829 - emergency thrust*)
16,061 - 18,750 X 1 - Kfir C.2
11,667 - 14,650 X 1 - J-7E & F-7BG
11,629 - 13,448 X 1 - F-7PG
10,739 - 12,679 X 1 - Mig-21 F-13
11,629 - 13,219 X 1 - F-7MB
16,314 - 15,873 X 1 - Mirage F-1
09,558 - 05,000 X 2 - F-5E Tiger-II
15,600 - 13,240 X 1 - Mirage-IIIE & 5

Pure Interceptors
48,100 - 34,172 X 2 - Mig-31E
44,080 - 22,494 X 2 - MiG-25P Foxbat-A



Weight in lb, and Thrust in lbf.
3505 kg = 7729 lb
*21,829 extra thrust for 3 min & alt less than 4000m.
** Empty weight + 7729 lb exceeds max takeoff weight.
Su-35BM, Su-30MKK, J-10's weights are rough estimates.

 

[untitled]

thanks for the info

 

[Dazzler]

Debatable figures.............

 

[araz]

Debatable figures.............

I would agree with nabil. Current TWR of JF17 is higher than what has been written, but I dont have the exact figures.A senior poster confided in me that it was in the 0.90-0.95 region, but cant say for sure as figures are not officially available.Also it misses out the TWR of the Current Gripen C/D.
We might get better info after farnborough though.
Araz

 

[mahmoodadeel]

I would agree with nabil. Current TWR of JF17 is higher than what has been written, but I dont have the exact figures.A senior poster confided in me that it was in the 0.90-0.95 region, but cant say for sure as figures are not officially available.Also it misses out the TWR of the Current Gripen C/D.
We might get better info after farnborough though.
Araz

TWR of jf-17 must be comparable to f-16 blk 52 atleast because its a light weight aircraft .... i think block II with upgraded WS-13 might reach that level.

 

[Chogy]

A lot of the perceived usefulness of the thrust comes from the aerodynamics of the airframe. You can have gobs of thrust, and without excellent lift, you get a rocket rather than a fighter.

For example, here is an aircraft from the late 1950's... see if anyone can guess what it is. It has a thust to weight of 1.1 : 1

Empty Weight - Thrust - Fighter
14,250 - 15,800 X 1 - ?????

Hint: It is not an F-104. It is not even a fighter!

So while thrust to weight is a good sign of excellent performance, the entire package must be considered.

 

[M8R]

U-2 .............?

 

[Chogy]

That didn't take long!

I guess it was too easy. Years ago, we were looking at various EM diagrams, and the instructor put the U-2's up there, but didn't identify the aircraft. Everyone gasped at the perceived performance. Then he revealed it was a U-2, and we learned that EM diagrams are useful, but don't tell the whole story.

 

[umair86]

anything having TWR 1.1 is good enough Thunder needs TWR of atleast 1.1

 

[Dazzler]

It has 0.96 with rd-93 at the moment as per my info

 

[Ping]

There is no way F-15 beats F-22. This list must be old with outdated data. I saw the list with a lot more aircraft.

 

[Ping]

Found it. Good thing I saved it.

TWR or T/W ratio = (Max Thrust of Engine / (Empty Weight + (3.505 Tonnes of Fuel & Weapons, or only Internal Fuel)))

1.37 - F-22
1.30 - Su-35BM
1.29 - F-15K
1.26 - Su-27S
1.25 - Eurofighter
1.24 - Mig-35
1.23 - Su-27SK & J-11A
1.19 - Rafale C
1.19 - Mig-29M/M2
1.19 - F-15C

1.16 - Su-30MKK
1.15 - F/A-18E/F
1.15 - Mig-29B (9-12)
1.14 - Su-30MKI
1.13 - Rafale M
1.13 - Mig-29 (9-13), S, SD, SE & SM
1.10 - Mig-29 BM & SMT (T/W = 1.15 during Emergency Thrust*)
1.09 - F-16E Block 60
1.09 - Mig-29K
1.09 - F-18C

1.09 - J-8III(or J-8C)
1.08 - F-35A
1.08 - F-14 B & D
1.06 - F-16C Block 52 (Block 50: T/W = 1.055)
1.05 - J-8IIm
1.04 - AV-8B+ Harrier II
1.03 - F-2A (F-2B: 1.02)
1.03 - JH-7
1.02 - F-16A Block 10
1.01 - J-8II & J-8IIb & J-8IId

1.00 - F-35B
1.00 - Harrier GR7A
0.99 - Su-34 & Su-32FN & Su-27IB
0.99 - Sea Harrier FA2 & FRS51
0.99 - F-16A Block 20
0.98 - J-10A
0.97 - Su-15T
0.95 - MiG-23 P, ML, MLA & MLD
0.94 - F-35C
0.94 - Gripen NG

0.94 - F-4E
0.94 - J-8
0.93 - Mirage 2000-5
0.93 - Su-15TM
0.93 - F-101B
0.92 - Harrier GR7
0.92 - E E Lightning F6
0.91 - F-16C Block 25
0.91 - Yak-28 I & P
0.91 - F-111F

0.91 - Su-24
0.90 - Su-15
0.88 - Mirage-2000 C & H
0.87 - LCA
0.87 - F-14A
0.87 - Mig-23 MF & MS
0.87 - Su-24 M, MK & M2
0.86 - ****-1
0.86 - Su-9
0.84 - Su-11

0.84 - Su-17M
0.83 - Tornado F3 Air Defence Variant
0.83 - Tornado GR1
0.83 - Su-20
0.82 - JF-17 (T/W = 0.86 during Emergency Thrust*)
0.82 - Su-22
0.81 - Gripen A
0.81 - Su-7B
0.81 - F-20
0.80 - Gripen C

0.80 - Mig-27K
0.80 - Su-7BM
0.79 - Mig-21 Bis (T/W = 1.11 in Emergency Thrust mode**)
0.79 - JA-37 Viggen
0.79 - Mig-27
0.79 - Su-17M2
0.78 - Mig-23BN
0.78 - Su-7 BKL & BMK
0.78 - Javelin FAW MK9
0.77 - Mig-23S

0.77 - J-7IIIa
0.76 - Mig-27 D & ML
0.76 - Mig-23M(E)
0.76 - F-106A
0.76 - F-7MG & F-7BG & F-7PG & J-7E & J-7G (WP-7N: T/W = 0.69)
0.76 - Q-5D
0.75 - Kfir C.7
0.75 - Kfir C.2
0.75 - AJ-37 Viggen
0.75 - J-7III

0.74 - Mig-21SM
0.73 - Su-17
0.73 - Mig-21MF
0.73 - Su-17M3
0.73 - Mig-19S*** (MTOW T/W = 0.86)
0.72 - Yak-27K
0.72 - Su-17M4
0.72 - F-104G
0.71 - Mig-19P*** (MTOW T/W = 0.84)
0.71 - Mig-21PF

0.71 - Supermarine Scimitar F.1
0.71 - Cheetah C
0.70 - Mig-21M
0.70 - Su-25SM
0.69 - Jaguar GR1
0.69 - J-35F Draken
0.69 - Mig-21F
0.69 - Mig-21 F-13
0.69 - J-7II
0.69 - Su-25 or Su-25T

0.68 - F-105F/G
0.68 - Mirage 50
0.68 - F-7M(or F-7MP or F-7MB) & F-7P
0.67 - F-1
0.67 - F4D-1/F-6 Skyray
0.66 - Mirage F-1
0.66 - F-8P
0.64 - F-102A
0.63 - Sea Vixen FAW.2
0.63 - Su-25TM or Su-39

0.62 - Yak-27
0.61 - Yak-38M (TWR during STOVL/VTOL takeoff: 1.20)
0.61 - Mirage-5A
0.61 - J-32B Lansen
0.60 - A-4S1
0.59 - Mirage-III E & D
0.58 - Yak-38 (T/W during STOVL/VTOL takeoff: 1.16)
0.58 - IAI Nesher
0.58 - F-5E Tiger-II
0.56 - F-100D

0.56 - A-6E
0.55 - A-7E
0.51 - Super Étendard
0.50 - F3H-2 Demon
0.49 - A-10A
0.49 - F-11A
0.49 - AMX
0.47 - Étendard-IV M
0.46 - F-89D
0.46 - Super Mystère B.2

0.46 - Hunter F 6
0.45 - Marut Mk.1
0.43 - Yak-25
0.43 - F-94C/F-97A
0.43 - F9F-8/F-9J Cougar
0.41 - A-37B
0.37 - Mystère IVA
0.37 - FJ-4 Fury
0.36 - F7U-3M
0.34 - F-84F

0.33 - J-29F Tunnan
0.33 - P-80C
0.32 - Supermarine Attacker F.1
0.31 - F2H-3 Banshee
0.30 - Ouragan M.D.450B
0.30 - F3D-2 Sky Night
0.29 - Venom FB.1
0.29 - F-84G


Pure Interceptors
1.30 - Mig-31M
1.30 - Mig-31BM
1.28 - Mig-31B
1.27 - Mig-31FE
1.27 - Mig-31E
1.22 - Mig-31
1.21 - Mig-25M
1.00 - Mig-25 P & PD
0.93 - Mig-25BM
0.74 - Tu-128



Empty Weight - Thrust - Aircraft

43,340 - 35,000 X 2 - F-22
41,447 - 31,967 X 2 - Su-35BM
37,500 - 29,160 X 2 - F-15K
36,111 - 27,557 X 2 - Su-27S
24,251 - 20,000 X 2 - Eurofighter
24,251 - 19,841 X 2 - Mig-35
37,192 - 27,557 X 2 - Su-27SK & J-11A
20,948 - 17,000 X 2 - Rafale C
25,573 - 19,841 X 2 - Mig-29M/M2
31,700 - 23,450 X 2 - F-15C

39,903 - 27,557 X 2 - Su-30MKK
30,600 - 22,000 X 2 - F/A-18E/F
24,030 - 18,300 X 2 - Mig-29B (9-12)
40,565 - 27,557 X 2 - Su-30MKI
22,478 - 17,000 X 2 - Rafale M
24,692 - 18,300 X 2 - Mig-29 (9-13), S, SD, SE & SM
25,573 - 18,300 X 2 - Mig-29 BM & SMT (19,180 - Emergency Thrust*)
22,000 - 32,500 X 1 - F-16E Block 60
28,550 - 19,841 X 2 - Mig-29K
24,700 - 17,700 X 2 - F-18C

22,509 - 16,535 X 2 - J-8III(or J-8C)
29,300 - 39,900 X 1 - F-35A
43,600 - 27,800 X 2 - F-14 B & D
19,700 - 29,160 X 1 - F-16C Block 52 (Block 50: 420lb & 240lbf more)
21,671 - 15,422 X 2 - J-8IIm
14,865 - 23,400 X 1 - AV-8B+ Harrier II
21,000 - 29,600 X 1 - F-2A (F-2B: 21,235)
31,967 - 20,515 X 2 - JH-7
15,600 - 23,830 X 1 - F-16A Block 10
21,671 - 14,815 X 2 - J-8II & J-8IIb & J-8IId

32,000 - 39,900 X 1 - F-35B
15,708 - 23,400 X 1 - Harrier GR7A
49,163 - 28,219 X 2 - Su-34 & Su-32FN & Su-27IB
14,052 - 21,450 X 1 - Sea Harrier FA2 & FRS51
16,285 - 23,830 X 1 - F-16A Block 20
20,394 - 27,557 X 1 - J-10A
22,818 - 14,770 X 2 - Su-15T
22,553 - 28,660 X 1 - MiG-23 P, ML, MLA & MLD
34,800 - 39,900 X 1 - F-35C
15,653 - 22,000 X 1 - Gripen NG

30,328 - 17,845 X 2 - F-4E
20,470 - 13,219 X 2 - J-8
16,000 - 22,045 X 1 - Mirage 2000-5
23,970 - 14,770 X 2 - Su-15TM
28,495 - 16,900 X 2 - F-101B
15,708 - 21,450 X 1 - Harrier GR7
28,042 - 16,360 X 2 - E E Lightning F6
18,238 - 23,770 X 1 - F-16C Block 25
21,980 - 13,448 X 2 - Yak-28 I & P
47,481 - 25,100 X 2 - F-111F

46,738 - 24,692 X 2 - Su-24
22,531 - 13,669 X 2 - Su-15
16,538 - 21,384 X 1 - Mirage 2000 C & H
14,330 - 19,100 X 1 - LCA
40,104 - 20,900 X 2 - F-14A
24,008 - 27,558 X 1 - Mig-23 MF & MS
49,163 - 24,801 X 2 - Su-24 M, MK & M2
14,300 - 09,500 X 2 - ****-1
16,920 - 21,164 X 1 - Su-9
18,876 - 22,267 X 1 - Su-11

21,605 - 24,692 X 1 - Su-17M
31,970 - 16,410 X 2 - Tornado F3 Air Defence Variant
31,065 - 16,005 X 2 - Tornado GR1
21,936 - 24,692 X 1 - Su-20
14,520 - 18,300 X 1 - JF-17 (19,180 - Emergency Thrust*)
23,027 - 25,353 X 1 - Su-22
14,595 - 18,097 X 1 - Gripen A
18,453 - 21,164 X 1 - Su-7B
13,150 - 17,000 X 1 - F-20
14,991 - 18,097 X 1 - Gripen C

26,252 - 27,558 X 1 - Mig-27K
18,629 - 21,164 X 1 - Su-7BM
12,037 - 15,654 X 1 - Mig-21 Bis (21,829 - Emergency Thrust**)
27,866 - 28,100 X 1 - JA-37 Viggen
24,317 - 25,336 X 1 - Mig-27
23,369 - 24,692 X 1 - Su-17M2
24,692 - 25,336 X 1 - Mig-23BN
19,599 - 21,164 X 1 - Su-7 BKL & BMK
23,955 - 12,300 X 2 - Javelin FAW MK9
21,583 - 22,487 X 1 - Mig-23S

11,629 - 14,815 X 1 - J-7IIIa
25,573 - 25,336 X 1 - Mig-27 D & ML
22,046 - 22,487 X 1 - Mig-23M(E)
24,420 - 24,500 X 1 - F-106A
11,667 - 14,650 X 1 - F-7MG & F-7BG & F-7PG & J-7E & J-7G (WP-7N: 13,450lbf)
14,054 - 08,269 X 2 - Q-5D
17,130 - 18,750 X 1 - Kfir C.7
16,061 - 17,901 X 1 - Kfir C.2
27,006 - 25,970 X 1 - AJ-37 Viggen
11,861 - 14,650 X 1 - J-7III

11,574 - 14,308 X 1 - Mig-21SM
21,164 - 21,164 X 1 - Su-17
11,795 - 14,308 X 1 - Mig-21MF
26,014 - 24,692 X 1 - Su-17M3
12,009 - 07,165 X 2 - Mig-19S*** (MTOW: 16,667lb)
15,443 - 08,318 X 2 - Yak-27K
26,810 - 24,692 X 1 - Su-17M4
14,082 - 15,600 X 1 - F-104G
12,507 - 07,165 X 2 - Mig-19P*** (MTOW: 17,042lb)
11,354 - 13,492 X 1 - Mig-21PF

23,962 - 11,250 X 2 - Supermarine Scimitar F.1
14,550 - 15,900 X 1 - Cheetah C
11,795 - 13,613 X 1 - Mig-21M
20,723 - 09,921 X 2 - Su-25SM
15,432 - 08,040 X 2 - Jaguar GR1
17,339 - 17,262 X 1 - J-35F Draken
10,624 - 12,654 X 1 - Mig-21F
10,739 - 12,654 X 1 - Mig-21 F-13
11,850 - 13,219 X 1 - J-7II
20,944 - 09,921 X 2 - Su-25 or Su-25T

28,393 - 24,500 X 1 - F-105F/G
15,763 - 15,870 X 1 - Mirage 50
11,629 - 13,219 X 1 - F-7M(or F-7MP or F-7MB) & F-7P
14,017 - 07,305 X 2 - F-1
16,024 - 16,000 X 1 - F4D-1/F-6 Skyray
16,314 - 15,873 X 1 - Mirage F-1
19,700 - 18,000 X 1 - F-8P
19,350 - 17,200 X 1 - F-102A
27,954 - 11,240 X 2 - Sea Vixen FAW.2
23,677 - 09,921 X 2 - Su-25TM or Su-39

15,395 - 07,165 X 2 - Yak-27
16,535 - 14,770 X 1 - Yak-38M (Lift Engines: 07,165 X 2)
14,550 - 13,669 X 1 - Mirage-5A
16,535 - 14,680 X 1 - J-32B Lansen
10,250 - 10,800 X 1 - A-4S1
15,540 - 13,669 X 1 - Mirage-III E & D
15,476 - 13,448 X 1 - Yak-38 (Lift Engines: 06,724 X 2)
16,061 - 13,669 X 1 - IAI Nesher
09,558 - 05,000 X 2 - F-5E Tiger-II
20,638 - 16,000 X 1 - F-100D

25,630 - 09,300 X 2 - A-6E
19,781 - 15,000 X 1 - A-7E
14,220 - 11,265 X 1 - Super Étendard
21,287 - 14,400 X 1 - F3H-2 Demon
29,000 - 09,065 X 2 - A-10A
13,810 - 10,500 X 1 - F-11A
14,837 - 11,030 X 1 - AMX
13,007 - 09,703 X 1 - Étendard-IV M
24,200 - 07,400 X 2 - F-89D
14,087 - 09,920 X 1 - Super Mystère B.2

14,121 - 10,146 X 1 - Hunter F 6
13,658 - 04,856 X 2 - Marut Mk.1
12,610 - 04,409 X 2 - Yak-25
12,708 - 08,750 X 1 - F-94C/F-97A
11,866 - 08,500 X 1 - F9F-8/F-9J Cougar
06,211 - 02,850 X 2 - A-37B
12,941 - 07,734 X 1 - Mystère IVA
13,210 - 07,700 X 1 - FJ-4 Fury
18,210 - 04,600 X 2 - F7U-3M
13,830 - 07,220 X 1 - F-84F

10,681 - 06,070 X 1 - J-29F Tunnan
08,420 - 05,400 X 1 - P-80C
08,426 - 05,100 X 1 - Supermarine Attacker F.1
13,183 - 03,250 X 2 - F2H-3 Banshee
09,132 - 04,991 X 1 - Ouragan M.D.450B
14,989 - 03,400 X 2 - F3D-2 Sky Night
09,200 - 04,856 X 1 - Venom FB.1
11,470 - 05,560 X 1 - F-84G


Pure Interceptors
48,281 - 36,376 X 2 - Mig-31M
48,115 - 36,376 X 2 - Mig-31BM
45,569 - 34,171 X 2 - Mig-31B
49,383 - 36,376 X 2 - Mig-31FE
46,297 - 34,171 X 2 - Mig-31E
48,104 - 34,171 X 2 - Mig-31
41,667 - 29,762 X 2 - Mig-25M
41,447 - 24,684 X 2 - Mig-25 P & PD
45,415 - 24,684 X 2 - Mig-25BM
54,013 - 22,706 X 2 - Tu-128


# Data from Official Company & Military sites, Aerospaceweb.org, Airwar.ru, Globalsecurity.org, Fas.org, Warfare.ru, Wikipedia.org & its References, and Other Sources.
# Weight in lb, and Thrust in lbf.
# 3505 kg = 7727 lb
# Not all of them are Fighter Planes.
# Some of the Fighters' data couldn't be obtained, and hence could not be included in the above list.

* Klimov States that Thrust as "Take-off emergency mode"
** The conditions for 21,829lbf Emergency Thrust are limited to 3 Minutes and Altitude less than 4000m.
*** Empty weight + 7727 lb exceeds max takeoff weight. Except Mig-19 all other less MTOW(Maximum Take-Off Weight) fighter planes are omitted.

 

[My-Analogous]

JF17 Current configuration

Specifications (JF-17/FC-1)

Data from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex

General characteristics

* Crew: 1
* Length: 14.0 m [101] (45.9 ft)
* Wingspan: 9.45 m (including 2 wingtip missiles) [101] (31 ft)
* Height: 4.77 m (15 ft 8 in)
* Wing area: 24.4 m² [101] (263 ft²)
* Empty weight: 6,411 kg (14,134 lb)
* Loaded weight: 9,100 kg including 2× wing-tip mounted air-to-air missiles [6][102] (20,062 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 12,700 kg [102] (28,000 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× Klimov RD-93 turbofan
o Dry thrust: 49.4 kN [3][8] (11,106 lbf)
o Thrust with afterburner: 84.4 kN [3][103] (18,973 lbf)
* G-limit: +8.5 g [3]
* Internal Fuel Capacity: 2300 kg (5,130 lb)

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 [6][39] (1,191 knots, 2,205 kph)
* Combat radius: 1,352 km [3] (840 mi)
* Ferry range: 3,000 km [8] (2,175 mi)
* Service ceiling: 16,700 m [8] (54,790 ft)
* Thrust/weight: 0.99

so above mention list is old and wrong too

 

[Ping]

Yea. TWR, Wing Loading & Airframe G-limits are extremely important for a dogfighter.

Without a good TWR, you won't accelerate or climb fast. Also when turning you lose energy fast. The only way to quickly regain the energy is to have a good TWR, preferably greater than 1.

It's interesting to see MKIs TWR lesser than MKKs. MKI is a bit heavier due to canards and thrust vectoring, but with the same engines.

Tejas beats JF-17 there. JF-17 is heavier and has less engine thrust than the Tejas. The funny thing is IAF was complaining about the low twr of Tejas to DRDO/ADA because of the low thrust engines. They should have first checked out what the Tejas' opponent had before complaining.

The Soviets advised the Arabs never to get into a turn fight with the Mirages since it had good wing loading than the Mig-21. They told them to capitalize on Mig-21s better thrust to weight and perform hit and run tactics like the U.S WW-2 fighters did on low wing loading/maneuverable Japanese Zeros. I guess they didn't listen.

It's saddening to see that the difference between a 1960/70's Mig-21Bis and 2010's Tejas is only 0.08. That too with a foreign engine on Tejas. No wonder IAF is obsessed with this fighter. With the advent of BVRs and net centric warfare TWR takes a secondary role. But in a war you never know what will happen. Considering jamming and given the distance between India and Pak, it's likely some engagements will be in WVR.

Looks like the chinese F-7 & J-7s Engines still can't match the good old Mig-21's Tumanskiys even after 4 decades of Reverse engineering. Pathetic!

Mig-35's is only slightly lower than Eurofighter's. Mig-29K are very heavy. Same goes for F-35. I remember a RAND study which blasted F-35s poor performance in WVR when simulated against Russian fighters. F-22 is the top dog.

 

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Wikipedia? See the engine data. That is wrong. Rd-33/Rd-93 thrust is 18300 normal afterburner. And the empty weight is wrong as well.