Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

[aliaselin]

There is talk that the UAE gave assurance for the loans Egypt took, which might hint for M2K-9s in addition to the Rafales in the mid term. If true, it would take quiet some time till all these fighters would be inducted, which however should rule out JF 17 Block 2 in the mean time.

Ridiculous. Egypt has about 18 fighter squadrons, but only ~200 F-16 fighters and ~20 mirage-2000. How could 24 Rafale and 68 Mirage-2000 fill the 200 units gap, let alone some of the Mirage-2000 will be transferred to Iraq.

 

[sancho]

Ridiculous. Egypt has about 18 fighter squadrons, but only ~200 F-16 fighters and ~20 mirage-2000. How could 24 Rafale and 68 Mirage-2000 fill the 200 units gap, let alone some of the Mirage-2000 will be transferred to Iraq.

Who said that the Rafales and M2Ks are meant to replace the whole fleet? But the order now and the possible addition of the M2Ks, can serve Egypt for the current need, with inductions taking place easily till 2018/19. So if they need additional fighters, they might look for them only at later stages and not now anymore, which is why I said that it basically rules out the JF 17 Block 2 now. The Block 3 with more capabilities at and at a later stage then could be more interesting to replace the rest, while the French surely will try to provide add on orders of Rafales though.

 

[aliaselin]

But the order now and the possible addition of the M2Ks, can serve Egypt for the current need,

Who told you they will not replace all of the fighters? Who told you it can serve Egypt for the current need? Are you Sisi or any Egyptian high officicals？

 

[sancho]

Bulgaria to be offered JF-17 fighter by Pakistan

Bulgaria is to be offered the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (PAC/CAC) JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft, according to national media reports.

The single-seat, single-engined fighter is to be offered by Pakistan as an alternative to the several Western aircraft types that are all vying to be selected by Bulgaria as it looks to replace its ageing MiG-29 'Fulcrum' and Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' platforms, the novinite.com Sofia News Agency reported on 4 March.

No details pertaining to costs or potential delivery timelines were revealed.

The Bulgarian government has stated that it will choose to buy new or secondhand Western fighters, or commit to a further MiG-29 upgrade. The acquisition of 'new' fighters is expected to cost more than BGN500 million (USD282 million), although actual new aircraft, such as Lockheed Martin Block 52 F-16s, are almost certainly unaffordable.

Contenders for secondhand jets include surplus Block 25 F-16s from the US Air National Guard, F-16 midlife upgrade aircraft from Belgium, early tranche Eurofighter Typhoons from the Italian Air Force, or surplus Saab Gripens from Sweden...

...ANALYSIS
Although widely offered for export with countries such as Argentina, Serbia, and even Saudi Arabia, the JF-17 has yet to secure its first international customer.

While Bulgaria's economic situation would appear to make it a good candidate for the approximately USD30 million fighter (a comparable Western type would likely cost double this at least), its status as a NATO member would not.

As one of the alliance's newest members, Bulgaria is striving towards achieving full interoperability with its NATO partners, and indeed this is one of the primary reasons that it is looking to replace its Soviet-era MiGs and Sukhois. The JF-17 is not a NATO-compatible aircraft (although it can be upgraded to be so), and so is not a good fit for Bulgaria operationally.

Politically, such a procurement of a joint Chinese-Pakistani platform would be extremely difficult for Bulgaria, as evidenced by the reaction to Turkey's proposed procurement of the China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) HQ-9 air and missile defence system in 2013.

That decision caused a fury, with Turkey's alliance partners saying that the Chinese system would never be integrated with NATO systems, effectively forcing a back down from the Turkish government, which is now moving away from the HQ-9 and is restarting negotiations with US and European suppliers instead.

Being a new and enthusiastic member of NATO, Bulgaria will be loath to place itself in a similar position, and for this reason primarily it would seem that a JF-17 buy is not likely to happen.

Bulgaria to be offered JF-17 fighter by Pakistan - IHS Jane's 360

 

[SaqibSSG]

Bulgaria is seeking for JF 17 and Pakistan offers him this will be good if Pakistan sell some of the JF 17 and get JF 19 or F 17

 

[Zibago]

I think after nigerian elections the jf17 deal could be materialized

 

[SaqibSSG]

I think after nigerian elections the jf17 deal could be materialized

I think Pakistan should not give priority to jf 17 we must look forward and get much better aircraft India made Hal Tejas we must get better multi role aircraft

 

[Legionaire]

New Lexus LFAs still unsold two years after production ended.

So--here is Lexus---one of the finest auto makers of luxury cars----. Makes a Tier 1 sports car---and guess what---no sales---who could have thought of that at Toyota / Lexus---.

For the 2012 model---Lexus build 500 of them---they are sitting at the dealer car lots---only 17 have been sold so far---and this is February 2015


New Lexus LFAs still unsold two years after production ended | Motoramic - Yahoo Autos

That's because the LFA is expensive as hell, 375 000. And most people would rather go Ferrari 458. Toyota/Lexus are crazy, it costs 480 000 to build and produce per vehicle and they sell it for that price!
Sorry for taking off topic.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I think Pakistan should not give priority to jf 17 we must look forward and get much better aircraft India made Hal Tejas we must get better multi role aircraft

Pakistan is going to get a better aircraft not because of Tejas but the requirement of air superiority. If India buys the Rafale then Pakistan would be looking for J-10b, J-16 and J-31 from China. Other options also include F-18's from USA and Eurofighter Typhoon.

JF-17 is a multi-role aircraft. for further information

JF-17 Thunder - Information Pool

 

[45'22']

Pakistan is going to get a better aircraft not because of Tejas but the requirement of air superiority. If India buys the Rafale then Pakistan would be looking for J-10b, J-16 and J-31 from China. Other options also include F-18's from USA and Eurofighter Typhoon.

JF-17 is a multi-role aircraft. for further information

JF-17 Thunder - Information Pool

Typhoons SuperHornets
when were these birds offered

 

[Akasa]

The reason why I am so circumspect regarding Egypt rumors is because of the massive logistical and integration problems Egyptians would be facing.

The JF-17 datalinks with neither the F-16 nor Rafale, not to mention that its weapons suite, although bearing some overlap, still cannot interchange major weapons systems with the other jets. It's going to be a massive headache for Egypt to ensure adequate supplies for the combat jets while circumventing incompatibility issues brought about by the different datalinks.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Typhoons SuperHornets
when were these birds offered

EU Plans To Sell Eurofighter (Typhoon) To Pakistan Through Turkey

The reason why I am so circumspect regarding Egypt rumors is because of the massive logistical and integration problems Egyptians would be facing.

The JF-17 datalinks with neither the F-16 nor Rafale, not to mention that its weapons suite, although bearing some overlap, still cannot interchange major weapons systems with the other jets. It's going to be a massive headache for Egypt to ensure adequate supplies for the combat jets while circumventing incompatibility issues brought about by the different datalinks.

Do the Mig 21's EAF has have these data links now ?

 

[45'22']

EU Plans To Sell Eurofighter (Typhoon) To Pakistan Through Turkey


Do the Mig 21's EAF has have these data links now ?

9 year old news

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

9 year old news

its still on going like the rafale deal.

 

[45'22']

its still on going like the rafale deal.

Rafale is under negotiations but the typhoon is a dead deal
it's getting off-topic,I m out