Exlploring Business Oppourtunity in Venezuella

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Considering that Pakistan is a Agricultural Society we produce mostly food products

a) Wheat
b) Sugar
c) Vegetables
d) Eggs
e) Milk
f) Fruits (Milk, Kinow Oranges , Bananas etc )
g) Eatable stuff like (Penuts, Almonds .......many many other good healthy foods)
h) Halal meat products (Beef, mutton, Chicket ....)
i) Pakistan also makes many manufactured goods like Buscuits , Cakes , candy etc
j) Cooking oil

We generally need oil for Economy
Oil / Food commodities should help enhance the Nation - Nation business partnership between Pakistan and Venezuela and get us into the South American market


So I was wondering why don't our National Bodies move into the Business oppourtunities in Venezuela ? They produce Oil but have food shortages

I think a Nation to Nation , Bilaterial Trade oil for Food program would work well for both nations who value great traditions and family values

I think Pakistan has a great chance , infact historic chance to Capatalise on business side and also on Humanitarian areas to get into a Food for Oil deal with Venezuella


Pakistan Makes/raw material / Eatable commodities

a) Medicines
b) Food products Buscuits , Cakes , Soda drinks
c) Wheat raw material is used in cooking , bread making
d) Flour , for white bread manufacturing
e) Lot of people would benefit from Pakisatni fruits (Mangoes , Kinow , Bananas , Goava etc)


Stepping in and forming a business deal with Venezuella would be a long term Benefit for Pakistan (5-10 Billion plus trade)

It is good deal both on Humanitarian grounds and also from Strategic business prespective to grow Pakistani industry in South America

To me it seems a great avenue specially since we have lot of PIA planes doing nothing these can be used to transport freight cargo (food) beween Pakistan and Venezuela so it would work out well for Pakistan

• Arrival of Oil from Venezuella would lower cost of fuel in Pakistan
  
• Arrival of food from Pakistan into Venezuella would reduce shortages in their economy

 

[Lavrentiy]

Venezuela is a shining example of what a socialist heaven eventually turns into - an utter $hithole. The communist blowhard Hugo Chavez used to blurt against Capitalism and USA, for which he was very popular among PDF's cyber patriots.

Well guess who had the last laugh? - the Americans of course.
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Pakistan's economic misery also started with Bhutto's socialism. We have not been able to recover ever since. Pakistani awaam is usually jealous of rich people and are deluded to believe that wealth should be equally distributed. Socialism is a heaven until one runs out of money taken from others.

The people of Venezuela used to adore Hugo Chavez. They should now kiss his grave in the hope that rivers of milk and honey start sprouting out of his grave.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan ran out of money many times while following Capitalism blindly why are we taking IMF loan ? If Capatalism is this golden goose stop reading US propaganda shit, they themselves are under 20 Trillion debt (-20,000,000,000,000 USD).

Pakistanis are told , that our Rupee has less value then the Dollar , however we hardly have any debt , while comparing it to their debt figures

This scam is happening world wide against most of under developed nations

So the idea that Capatalism > Socialism is the same US propaganda shit that was used before vs Russia

The Venezuela / Pakistan business avenue is more about Trade

• We need oil
• They need food

Old fashioned , trade

 

[Lavrentiy]

Pakistan ran out of money many times while following Capitalism blindly why are we taking IMF loan ? If Capatalism is this golden goose stop reading US propaganda shit, they themselves are under 20 Trillion debt (-20,000,000,000,000 USD). While Pakistanis are told their worthless Dollar printed , is more valued then our Pakistani Rupee when we hardly have any debt compared to theirs

This scam is happening world wide against most of under developed nations

So the idea that Capatalism > Socialism is the same US propaganda shit that was used before vs Russia

The Venezuela / Pakistan business avenue is more about Trade

• We need oil
• They need food

And do you think that these middle class socialist losers in Pakistan are going to exploit business opportunities, if any, in Venezuela. Once again, a capitalist and an entrepreneur is capable of exploiting a business opportunity.

Don't expect a middle class socialist loser to do business. At best, he can whine about the wealth of rich people and expect the freaking government to provide some job to him.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

And do you think that these middle class socialist losers in Pakistan are going to exploit business opportunities, if any, in Venezuela. Once again, a capitalist and an entrepreneur is capable of exploiting a business opportunity.

Don't expect a middle class socialist loser to do business. At best, he can whine about the wealth of rich people and expect the freaking government to provide some job to him.

Well in all honesty , I am not sure what this thread and the discussion about Capatalism vs Socialism have in common

PAKISTAN does not have a negative trade policy that we won't trade with Socialist countries

• Venezuela presents a wonderful business chance for traders
• Pakistan needs oil for barter trade

If Pakistan have surplus harvest , wheat , fruits , rice, or manufactured goods wishes to send tradable goods to Venezuela , and get oil in return seems like amazing idea

We can benefit from Oil in exchange for eatable goods we have in surplus


I think majority of surplus items we have in Pakistan get spoliled anyways , due to lack of storage or being left in outdoor and it rains

So instead of lossing valueable food products to natural loses just barter trade it with Venezualla helps both economies.

We don't even need to involve cash figure in middle

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I dont even understand concept of paper money. After all it could go back to being toilet paper very very quicly. Case in point Zimbabwe and Venezuela itself.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Without involving US dollar !!!! Where we lose our value for goods

Barter trade , is beneficial for our economy commodity for commodity

We Trading This

We getting Tanker full of oil

• We sell the oil in Local Pakistani Market at our own set price and it goes to Pakistani Reserves or surplus

And key concept really is , trading the "Surplus" food goods we produce which go to waste in farms or storage facilities waiting to be purchased

 

[Lavrentiy]

Well in all honesty , I am not sure what this thread and the discussion about Capatalism vs Socialism have in common

PAKISTAN does not have a negative trade policy that we won't trade with Socialist countries

• Venezuela presents a wonderful business chance for traders
• Pakistan needs oil for barter trade

If Pakistan have surplus harvest , wheat , fruits , rice, or manufactured goods wishes to send tradable goods to Venezuela , and get oil in return seems like amazing idea

We can benefit from Oil in exchange for eatable goods we have in surplus


I think majority of surplus items we have in Pakistan get spoliled anyways , due to lack of storage or being left in outdoor and it rains

So instead of lossing valueable food products to natural loses just barter trade it with Venezualla helps both economies.

We don't even need to involve cash figure in middle

Sir, such barter trade is not feasible.

Why would a businessman trading food items accept payment in oil? Is he now a going to set up a refinery in addition to his food processing plant? There is a reason paper money exists.

And we are not even discussing about the logistics of barrels of oil that would have to be brought back.
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Conversely, how on earth would an oil marketing firm or refinery supply food items in return for oil? In this case, they would have to set up a food processing plant.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The logistics can be worked out , we import oil daily anyways , there is no difference really from Pakistan's stand point

a) We import oil daily
b) Getting Tanker from Venezuella is no different


1) Government/Trade will buy from local Farms the goods , and ship it off to Venezuella on PIA freight planes all those planes not carrying passengers (These goods were surplus to our needs and would have been lost as these goods perish if not eaten in time, normallt the goods are lost to nature we make 0$ from all the wasted goods)

2) From venezuella , we get oil
Government will track the quantity loaded off from Tanker so when it is sold in local markets revenue is 100% collected by Government



Pakistan really is not writing a personal cheque from it's saving to give to anyone for buying oil , we are getting free oil , by trading our surplus food items (which would be lost to nature anyways)

 

[Lavrentiy]

The logistics can be worked out , we import oil daily anyways , there is no difference really from Pakistan's stand point

a) We import oil daily
b) Getting Tanker from Venezuella is no different


1) Government/Trade will buy from local Farms the goods , and ship it off to Venezuella on PIA freight planes all those planes not carrying passengers (This good is surplus would have been lost making 0$ for Pakistan)

2) From venezuella , we get oil
Government will track the quantity loaded off from Tanker so when it is sold in local markets revenue is 100% collected by Government

"Government will buy", "ship it off", "track the quantity" - Do you really know how international trade works?

It's not the government's job. Period

 

[Samlee]

Sir, such barter trade is not feasible.

Why would a businessman trading food items accept payment in oil? Is he now a going to set up a refinery in addition to his food processing plant? There is a reason paper money exists.

And we are not even discussing about the logistics of barrels of oil that would have to be brought back.
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Conversely, how on earth would an oil marketing firm or refinery supply food items in return for oil? In this case, they would have to set up a food processing plant.

There Are Many Forms Of Barter.It Can Take Many Shapes.For Example Pakistan Buy Crude Oil And Pay In Rupees Which Can Be Used By Venezuelan Government To Purchase Food Items From Pakistan.Iran and India Did It During Sanctions.

Then In Return For Pakistani Products Venezuela Can Give Security Receipts Entitling Them Ownership To A Fixed Barrels Of Oil.The Exporters Can Then Sell These Receipts To Oil Companies Or Even Raise Loans Using Them As Collateral.

Barter Is Not Just Giving and Taking Of Goods

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Bilateral Trade Government to Government deal

Pakistani Food goods are more valuable if we trade it directly for their actual eatable value

You can't eat that paper dollar

Simple Trade we set up at Govermnent to Government Level

• (X) Tones of Food in exchange for (Y) barrel of oil

I would do a deal 1 full Oil Tanker carrying 1 Billion dollar worth of oil for
(certain tones of food valued at $500 million) which Pakistani officials can work out

• Venezuela , gets food for people
• Pakistan gets 500 Million difference in value plus Oil to sell in Local market

Venezuela is like GOLD RUSH , for food trade we make food so we need to act before someone else steals the market

 

[Lavrentiy]

Then In Return For Pakistani Products Venezuela Can Give Security Receipts Entitling Them Ownership To A Fixed Barrels Of Oil.The Exporters Can Then Sell These Receipts To Oil Companies Or Even Raise Loans Using Them As Collateral.

Security Receipts or Collateral from a country like Venezuela?? Now that is suicidal. Who is going to buy such receipts? As long as oil companies are not run by the likes of Zaid Hamid or Shahid Masood, don't expect them to buy such receipts.

 

[Samlee]

Bilateral Trade Government to Government deal

Pakistani Food goods are more valuable if we trade it directly for their actual eatable value
You can't eat that paper dollar

Another Form Is Book Adjustments.Venezuela Can Sell Crude On Long Term Deferred Payment and Pakistan Can Sell Food Items On The Same Terms.Than Both The Sides Can Adjust Each Other's Liabilities.

Security Receipts or Collateral from a country like Venezuela?? Now that is suicidal. Who is going to buy such receipts? As long as oil companies are not run by the likes of Zaid Hamid or Shahid Masood, don't expect them to buy such receipts.

Receipts Are The Ownership Deed To A Fixed Quantity Of Oil.Food Producers Who Pay As Such Will Get These Receipts Which They Can Sell To Oil Companies and Get Money.

If You Ever Had Studied Financial History You Would Find Out That Such Receipts For Gold Were The Earliest Form Of Cash.

 

[Lavrentiy]

Another Form Is Book Adjustments.Venezuela Can Sell Crude On Long Term Deferred Payment and Pakistan Can Sell Food Items On The Same Terms.Than Both The Sides Can Adjust Each Other's Liabilities.

With due respect Sir; even it it happens, I am definitely going to sell CDS (credit default swaps) on such receipts and make large sums of money when they will eventually default.