Dubai Airshow 2011

[unicorn]

From the video antibody posted...

 

[phrozenflame]

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Same thing, better quality and colours adjusted

 

[Kompromat]

No coverage for the Thunder?? no video of its display performance?
The Arabzis have screwed us over again for their white skinned masters?

Sadly these sort of comments don't suit a man like you. Im sure this is not your best.

 

[Tempest II]

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It rocks!! ... ... Ok, that is not the spelling for degrees, but that is my copyright (marker and tracer) ... lol .... Too late to do another another one! Sorry

 

[hatf IX]

happy to see smoke less engine . . .

 

[rcrmj]

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very important information from this news article, it says Pakistan now is able to assemble, testing and producing spare parts independently, this means during war time Pakistan dont need any outside helps for maintain those fighters unlike F-16, hopefully after few years when the WS-13 is operational PAF can fully digest that too`!!

 

[sohailbarki]

Awesome F 16 looks like an eagle while performing maneuvers compared to JFT.

JFT looks like a lazy boy on the stage, not impressive at all. I am not buying this performance.

JFT seriously need some powerful power plant and avionics need to be modified further to enhance its maneuverability.

 

[rcrmj]

Okay nice explanation Sir!
I was reading the article on the AIM120A/B/C BVR's cuz they gave range for A/B as 50-70km and AIM120C as >105km.... that made me confusing. cuz 105km is greater than our SD10A..but if SD10A engagement range is almost same as AIM120C i.e. 50km then thats enough. Yea! ure true that Russians bvr's precision is not accurate so it can balance the position in our favor . Its higly likely for JF17'ns to go undetected even by SUK30MKI's cuz 1m2 RCS is pretty small from 70++km ranges..Yes! In case of F-15(C/SG/E), F-35 and F-22 their radars can detect 1m2(RCS for JF17) RCS from 120++km ranges.So the showdown of JF17 will be interesting with them. But I guess JF17blockII will be comparable to them(provided powerful AESA radar)......

yes, and the maximum engagement rang of BVR missiles are complicated mathmetical matters, the range is heavily depending on the launching speed, altitude and AoA. thanks to the advanced material and areodynamics techs used on missiles that enable them to fly smoothly and 'far' (as you can see those 200km+ ranges BVR from advertisment), but due to the short working time nature of rocket engine which gives the missile very limited time to maintain the velocity and kinetic energy to mount super maneuverability to conter the maneuvering targets, because after the classic maximum range, a light maneuver of the target can easily dodge the missiles at meantime needless to say the sophisticated electronic interferences from target.

luckly the low accuracy and electronic capabilities are the short comings of russian missiles, so until IAF equipt with European ramjet Meteor missiles then the situation will become quite tough, thats why the Chinese ramjet BVR missile is under its way with full speed, lets be patient``!!

 

[Don Jaguar]

"You can buy three of our aircraft for one F-16" says Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar. PHOTO: EXPRESS

DUBAI: Pakistan is pitching its new JF17 Thunder fighter jet, developed jointly with China, at an aggressive discount to dominant Western rivals, the country’s defense minister said on Sunday.

“You can buy three of our aircraft for one F-16,” Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar told Reuters at the Dubai Air Show, where the aircraft is being displayed.

He said that the producer, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, was not able to keep pace with the requirements of the air force.

“Three squadrons are already flying the aircraft in Pakistan and one squadron in China,” he added.

Analysts expect the aircraft, which Mukhtar said was priced at $25-30 million, to be focused on emerging markets in Asia and Africa.

“Going to the (European) market is not very easy because you are cutting the profits of some other people,” Mukhtar said.

He said the development of the aircraft was not targeted at archrival India.

“India need not worry — it’s not India-specific. We are building very close relations with India.”

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ut-price-jf17-fighter-jet-dubai-air-show.html

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

very important information from this news article, it says Pakistan now is able to assemble, testing and producing spare parts independently, this means during war time Pakistan dont need any outside helps for maintain those fighters unlike F-16, hopefully after few years when the WS-13 is operational PAF can fully digest that too`!!

The WS-13 engine is also a joint development between China and Pakistan.

http://mil.huanqiu.com/Observation/2010-12/1381638.html

 

[Don Jaguar]

The WS-13 engine is also a joint development between China and Pakistan.

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What???

 

[rcrmj]

The WS-13 engine is also a joint development between China and Pakistan.

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well this is even better for PAF

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What???

China has contributed more technogical inputs and Pakistan has contributed more money.

Later Pakistan will fully manufacture WS-13 or WS-13A by itself.

 

[Don Jaguar]

巴基斯坦希望与中国联合生产五代机反制印度

美刊称J-20已高速滑跑首飞在即 机长超21米

近几日，在中国各大军事论坛上流传的空军下一代战机图片

点击查看更多军事图片

　　东方网12月29日消息：巴基斯坦爱国者网站12月27登载文章称，未来十年所有空军将把发展重点聚焦于五代战机所用的隐形技术上，印度空军也将在25年内拥有大量与俄罗斯联合生产的五代战机，这将对巴基斯坦构成极大威胁。为此，文章列出了多项巴基斯坦空军可能选择的反制印度威胁的措施，其中包括与中国联合设计和生产第五代机战机，继续改善升级JF-17枭龙战机使其可集成未来50年内的先进技术，以及与中国联合生产WS-13引擎为无人战斗机提供更强大动力等等。

　　巴基斯坦希望与中国联合生产五代机反制印度威胁

　　文章称，本土飞机和发动机生产领域存在的巨大失败，使印度空军出现了很大差距。目前，印度空军正设法弥补因无力生产轻型战斗机(LCA)而出现的空白。其中包括三个等级的采购、购买俄罗斯第五代战机，也可能直接从美国购买战机等等。

　　而且，未来25年内，印度空军将拥有大量第五代战机。不过，中国空军仍会遥遥领先，而且不会面临来自新德里的威胁。而巴基斯坦空军已经注意到印度空军的数量变化，并且正在采取适当措施应对这一情况。

　文章指出，如果俄罗斯能够生产第五代战机，而且其所制造的五代战机确实稳定可靠，那么到2025年时，印度空军将会拥有现役的俄罗斯PAK-FA战机。

　　针对这一情况，巴基斯坦空军制订了如下对策：开始慢慢掌握五代战机技术，以便将其融入现有战机中；与中国联合设计和建造第五代及其他战机；购买采用稍旧技术的美国战机，然后以较少的费用升级这些飞机；与印尼、土耳其联合发展地区军事技术，从而应对这一威胁；采用成本较低的方式处理即将到来的威胁；利用导弹应对这一威胁；继续改善升级JF-17枭龙战机，使其可集成未来50年内的先进技术；生产在歼-10B基础上发展而来的FC-20C，并且与中国联合生产歼-11；将无人机技术推进到下一个水平上，并设计、生产无人战斗机。

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

巴基斯坦希望与中国联合生产五代机反制印度

美刊称J-20已高速滑跑首飞在即 机长超21米

近几日，在中国各大军事论坛上流传的空军下一代战机图片

点击查看更多军事图片

　　东方网12月29日消息：巴基斯坦爱国者网站12月27登载文章称，未来十年所有空军将把发展重点聚焦于五代战机所用的隐形技术上，印度空军也将在25年内拥有大量与俄罗斯联合生产的五代战机，这将对巴基斯坦构成极大威胁。为此，文章列出了多项巴基斯坦空军可能选择的反制印度威胁的措施，其中包括与中国联合设计和生产第五代机战机，继续改善升级JF-17枭龙战机使其可集成未来50年内的先进技术，以及与中国联合生产WS-13引擎为无人战斗机提供更强大动力等等。

　　巴基斯坦希望与中国联合生产五代机反制印度威胁

　　文章称，本土飞机和发动机生产领域存在的巨大失败，使印度空军出现了很大差距。目前，印度空军正设法弥补因无力生产轻型战斗机(LCA)而出现的空白。其中包括三个等级的采购、购买俄罗斯第五代战机，也可能直接从美国购买战机等等。

　　而且，未来25年内，印度空军将拥有大量第五代战机。不过，中国空军仍会遥遥领先，而且不会面临来自新德里的威胁。而巴基斯坦空军已经注意到印度空军的数量变化，并且正在采取适当措施应对这一情况。

　文章指出，如果俄罗斯能够生产第五代战机，而且其所制造的五代战机确实稳定可靠，那么到2025年时，印度空军将会拥有现役的俄罗斯PAK-FA战机。

　　针对这一情况，巴基斯坦空军制订了如下对策：开始慢慢掌握五代战机技术，以便将其融入现有战机中；与中国联合设计和建造第五代及其他战机；购买采用稍旧技术的美国战机，然后以较少的费用升级这些飞机；与印尼、土耳其联合发展地区军事技术，从而应对这一威胁；采用成本较低的方式处理即将到来的威胁；利用导弹应对这一威胁；继续改善升级JF-17枭龙战机，使其可集成未来50年内的先进技术；生产在歼-10B基础上发展而来的FC-20C，并且与中国联合生产歼-11；将无人机技术推进到下一个水平上，并设计、生产无人战斗机。

This sentence:

"以及与中国联合生产WS-13引擎为无人战斗机提供更强大动力等等"

It means WS-13 is a joint development with China and it will also power for the future unmanned uav.