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India and US officials Under the Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) talks have agreed in joint development of the jet engine technology, Indian Ambassador to US S Jaishankar to avoid further confusion also clarified that ” it was much broader than the Kaveri jet engine that India is already working on” .

Clarification coming from Indian Ambassador for joint development was clear that it will not be further or enhanced development of Kaveri engine which last year was officially terminated after engine project failed to achieve its design parameters. Kaveri engine was also officially De-linked from LCA Tejas Project in 2009 and GTRE plans for a Joint venture to develop a new engine based on French designed Snecma M88-2 core with French Snecma company failed to materialise after few years of negotiation.

Why Suspect is F414-EDE or F414-EPE?

Ge’s F414-GE-INS6 has been selected to power India’s LCA Tejas MK-II variant which can generate 97.9 kN thrust with afterburner. AMCA India’s 5th-generation fighter jet programme which has completed its final design stage will require 115 kN thrust producing new engines , It is unlikely that India and US will be work on new engine design from scratch, nor will US invest in engine program which will not be used in their own fleet of jets.

Interestingly US Navy has been seriously considering the development of new F414-EDE (Enhanced Durability Engine) which will generate up to 20% more thrust by increasing fan airflow with the EDE hardware configuration for the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fleet, new engine will be redesigned to have 6 stages, down from 7.

While General Electric is also working on new F414-EPE (Enhanced Performance Engine) which will have a new core and a redesigned fan and compressor. Enhanced engine will offer up to a 20 percent thrust boost, increasing it to 26,400 pounds (120 kN).

New F414-EDE or F414-EPE engines will also be able to meet requirements of AMCA fighter jet and coming from the same F414 family means same engines can be used to upgrade Tejas MK-II or it’s newer variants later in the future . F414 EDE is billed as an upgrade – not a new center-line engine – but it promises significant performance improvement which will improve fuel efficiency, while F414-EPE involves much deeper design changes including new core which will a ideal project which will excite Indian scientist .

What about TOT?

India and US are working on the framework under which jet engine technology can be manufactured in India. Most likely India will look to get similar TOT framework currently been used to manufacture Russian AL-31F engine in India. We have to wait for few more time to get clarity on TOT US can offer and TOT which India can agree upon.

Indian Tweaks?

GE already has carried out In-House Research & development of EDE (Enhanced Durability Engine) Kit and EPE (Enhanced Performance Engine) . so question will be asked what will be Indian contribution to the engine programme be other than providing funds for the development? On India’s wish-list for years has been “hot-engine technology.” technology which allows fighter jets to operate in hot weather conditions like in deserts without any possibility of an engine failure. Many fighters aircraft engines like Rolls-Royce/Turbomeca Adour Mk 102 turbofans which are used in IAF’s Jaguar Strike fighters suffer Performance drop in Indian climate so does many other fighter jets in Indian Air Force fleet due to adverse Indian climate conditions .

New engine not only will be tweaked for Indian weather conditions, but also able to operate under dusty wind conditions without leading to long time damages to engine cores. Kaveri Engine was supposed to be first turbofan engine acclimatized for operations in Indian weather conditions so most likely India will offer its part of Research carried out on Kaveri engine.

Win-Win situation?

For India, they will get a new engine without much of the investment or time delays expected if we had gone for new further development of Kaveri engine. For US, they get new improved engines for their F-18 fleet which later can be offered to other allies in Asia which are working on their own 5th-generation fighter jets Programs ( Japan, S Korea).
 
i think the article puts things quite well. The most important point is there will be no new core and the proposed project is manifestation of some proven (usual suspect is F 414) to suit India's long term requirement of under-development of proposed projects. Any engine developing 105-120 kN thrust will serve most the projected requirements and given the fact that F 414 is quite widely used, its maintenance shouldn't be much of a problem.
Now one question remains unanswered : Will US insist for End User inspection for the item, something India doesn't like to accept.
 
Man!! first the breakthrough in single crystal blade technology and now this, finally , a very good news for indian aviation industry.
 
This should be the offer . F414 for LCA MK2 and Amca
 
Now ur ADA have no reason to delay jet programme. Now they have clear idea of engine size . Just make just work

F414-INS6
98 kN Engine
Data sheet
F414 Enhanced Engine
116 kN Engine

Data Sheet

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It has cooler technology as well . Perfect choice for AMCA and MK2 N TEJAS . When you have engine technology which comes with TOT no need for homegrown engine . As this will be made in India bas well. We will derive our own engine from this tot ... First thing first get MK2 and AMCA up in the air and flying . If we are serious about containing China and becoming a Super a power of Asian continent . Any way we won't be going to fight Americans in near future. This must be the core of this new found friendship . We deserve to be par with atleast midget countries like France UK Germany etc . We have every thing from educated work force to natural raw materials . Just need agood leadership . Which we have now

Man!! first the breakthrough in single crystal blade technology and now this, finally , a very good news for indian aviation industry.
I think we dint succeed ....
 
Now ur ADA have no reason to delay jet programme. Now they have clear idea of engine size . Just make just work


It has cooler technology as well . Perfect choice for AMCA and MK2 N TEJAS . When you have engine technology which comes with TOT no need for homegrown engine . As this will be made in India bas well. We will derive our own engine from this tot ... First thing first get MK2 and AMCA up in the air and flying . If we are serious about containing China and becoming a Super a power of Asian continent . Any way we won't be going to fight Americans in near future. This must be the core of this new found friendship . We deserve to be par with atleast midget countries like France UK Germany etc . We have every thing from educated work force to natural raw materials . Just need agood leadership . Which we have now


I think we dint succeed ....
Do we have Single Crystal Blade Technology Sir.......?o_O
 
Now ur ADA have no reason to delay jet programme. Now they have clear idea of engine size . Just make just work


It has cooler technology as well . Perfect choice for AMCA and MK2 N TEJAS . When you have engine technology which comes with TOT no need for homegrown engine . As this will be made in India bas well. We will derive our own engine from this tot ... First thing first get MK2 and AMCA up in the air and flying . If we are serious about containing China and becoming a Super a power of Asian continent . Any way we won't be going to fight Americans in near future. This must be the core of this new found friendship . We deserve to be par with atleast midget countries like France UK Germany etc . We have every thing from educated work force to natural raw materials . Just need agood leadership . Which we have now


I think we dint succeed ....
I think we did, there is a thread on pdf on this as well.
 
IF it is same as the Russian engine deal, there is no point. Will we get the tech know-how of the engine core?
 

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