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Depression is the main cause of farm suicides
The vast majority of suicides are of non farmers. Why are their deaths treated as lesser tragedies than those of farmers?

Because presenting farm suicides as a single mass tragedy can win awards for journalists, TRPs for TV anchors, dona tions for NGOs opposing commercial crops and globalization, slogans for leftists attributing eve rything to class war, and votes for opposition parties. Many states now compensate suicide-hit families, delighting mon eylenders who had lent to these families and can now use muscle to claw back their dues from the compensation money.

That’s why I titled an earlier Swaminomics in August 2004 “Everybody loves farm suicides”. India’s suicide rate of 11 per lakh people is roughly the global average. The highest rates are in Greenland (83lakh), Lithuania (38lakh) and South Korea (28.5 lakh). China’s rate (22.2lakh) is double India’s. The Indian rate is lower than in rich countries with big welfare systems and very few farmers: Belgium (19), France (14.7), US (12.6), Japan (12.3), Germany (12.5) and the UK (11.8).

A field-based research study in The Lancet (by Pandit et al) sug gests that actual suicides may be 35-40% higher than officially recorded. Many people are reluctant to corded. Many people are reluctant to report suicides. If so, India’s rate is close to Belgium’s. Underestimation is common in developing countries. Islam views suicide as a ter rible sin, so Pakistan claims a suicide rate of just 1.1lakh! The global suicide pattern shows no close link with farming, poverty or welfare. The overwhelming cause of suicide is mental stress, not financial stress. In the US, 2-15% of depressed people commit suicide. Up to two-thirds of suicide victims are depressed. Mental stress (and hence suicides) will doubtless rise in times of financial stress. But the underlying mental issues cannot be cured by loan waivers and subsidies.

Using non-official data, the Lancet study says suicide rates are no higher for farmers than non-farmers. This has been contested by some Cambridge researchers, whose work I find very unconvincing. Some studies based on official farm suicides show them 20-40% higher than for non-farmers in recent years. But economist Pramit Bhattacharya shows that in 2013 even the official farm suicide rate fell below that of non-farmers.

Instead of tom-tomming this, the media have ignored it.They would rather focus on the suicide of a farmer at an AAP rally against land acquisition, suggesting (wrongly) that this causes suicide.

Why is the media ignoring the fall in the farm suicide rate to below the national rate? Because no journalist will get a medal and no TV anchor will get TRPs for revealing that farmers have become less suicidal than others. Rather, this will suggest that the awards and eyeballs that journalists, academics and TV anchors got in past years were perhaps undeserved, and who wants to admit that?

Opposition politicians, left academics and NGOs portray farm suicides as the result of despair and poverty . But the Lancet study shows conclusively that most suicide deaths occurred in richer states and highly educated people.Suicides are ten times more likely in the relatively rich south than the poor north.

One California study showed that the risk of a person committing suicide in the first week after buying a handgun was 57 times higher than for other gun owners. In Washington DC, a temporary ban on handguns produced a 23% fall in the suicide rate. Why? Because, during a period of depression, the mere availability of a lethal weapon increases the chances of suicide.

India proves that too. Pesticide poisoning is the biggest form of suicide. Farmers growing fruit, vegetables and commercial crops keep more pesticides at home than grain farmers. Unsurprisingly, insecticide-using farmers have by far the highest suicide rates.

Many suicides (notably in Andhra Pradesh) were of farmers who borrowed heavily to drill tubewells that quickly ran dry. Free electricity in many states (including AP) has greatly lowered water tables, ruining tubewells. Thus free electricity causes suicide. But will any politician, NGO, or award-winning journalist cam paign against free farm electricity? Will they campaign for anti depressants and psychiatric ubsidies and freebies? Sadly, no. treatment rather than subsidies and freebies? Sadly, no.

The Lancet study concludes, “Most Indians do not have community or support services for the prevention of suicide and have restricted access to care for mental illnesses associated with suicide, especially access to treatment for depression, which has been shown to reduce suicidal behaviours. Reductions in binge alcohol drinking through regulations, higher alcohol taxation, or brief interventions in primary care might also reduce suicide deaths.” Reduced pesticides use would help. Genetically modified crops reduce pesticide use drastically, and might check suicides. So, activists opposing GM crops may actually be promoting suicides. Please abandon ideological agendas and get medical help to those who need it most.

Depression is the main cause of farm suicides
 
What are the other possible causes of suicide, other than depression ?
Read the rest of it . Loan waivers are not the answer. Rich commit suicide more than poor.

This is a factual repudiation of the current leftist narrative in India.
 
Farming is no longer profitable unless you are a big company. It is best to sell your land and invest the money somewhere. We have the same problem in Rawanda.
 
Only the depressed Indian farmers commit suicides or the Indian media focuses on only farmers from the statistics of all suicides in India ? I don't hear about Pakistani farmers committing suicides. Indian farmers have it easy since they are sold subsidized seeds and fertilizers while they also their harvest is bought by Indian government at high prices. While Pakistan does not subsidize seed and fertilizers bought by framers.

Farming is no longer profitable unless you are a big company. It is best to sell your land and invest the money somewhere. We have the same problem in Rawanda.

The landholding has gotten smaller and smaller as land has been subdivided among children. Farming is still profitable in large farms.
 
Only the depressed Indian farmers commit suicides or the Indian media focuses on only farmers from the statistics of all suicides in India ? I don't hear about Pakistani farmers committing suicides. Indian farmers have it easy since they are sold subsidized seeds and fertilizers while they also their harvest is bought by Indian government at high prices. While Pakistan does not subsidize seed and fertilizers bought by framers.



The landholding has gotten smaller and smaller as land has been subdivided among children. Farming is still profitable in large farms.
The media focus only on farmer suicides. Farmers in India are politically well organized So suicides are " milked" to beat up on a government in power and get concessions from the government.

State govts provide free electricity, subsidized everything, it's a joke.

Farming is no longer profitable unless you are a big company. It is best to sell your land and invest the money somewhere. We have the same problem in Rawanda.
Yes, you are right but farmers are often bad money managers and lose their investments. also they are not trained to do anything else.

Farmers in India make wind fall profits, more than we could make in a life time, selling their land to industry and blow it all within years in luxury goods and wasteful living. Again this is a sweeping statement, there is always a percentage of very good stewards but not the bulk
 
The media focus only on farmer suicides. Farmers in India are politically well organized So suicides are " milked" to beat up on a government in power and get concessions from the government. State govts provide free electricity, subsidized everything, it's a joke.

The farms in Europe and Americas are huge since small farms are unproductive and unprofitable. Therer should be a minimum and maximum size of farms. Land reforms ended feudalism and broke up large farms but created small farms which are uneconomical. The Indian government has put more money in farming. The US government pays farmers not to grow any crops on their land !

Quote from Catch-22:

Major Major’s father was a sober God-fearing man whose idea of a good joke was to lie about his age. He was a longlimbed farmer, a God-fearing, freedom-loving, law-abiding rugged individualist who held that federal aid to anyone but farmers was creeping socialism. He advocated thrift and hard work and disapproved of loose women who turned him down. His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major’s father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. “As ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counseled one and all, and everyone said, “Amen.”

This Passage from Catch-22 is Still Very Relevant--Over 50 Years Later
 
The farms in Europe and Americas are huge since small farms are unproductive and unprofitable. Therer should be a minimum and maximum size of farms. Land reforms ended feudalism and broke up large farms but created small farms which are uneconomical. The Indian government has put more money in farming. The US government pays farmers not to grow any crops on their land !

Quote from Catch-22:

Major Major’s father was a sober God-fearing man whose idea of a good joke was to lie about his age. He was a longlimbed farmer, a God-fearing, freedom-loving, law-abiding rugged individualist who held that federal aid to anyone but farmers was creeping socialism. He advocated thrift and hard work and disapproved of loose women who turned him down. His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major’s father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. “As ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counseled one and all, and everyone said, “Amen.”

This Passage from Catch-22 is Still Very Relevant--Over 50 Years Later
HAHA I love your quote. I hope you don't mind if I quote it myself in future.

It truly and in a humorous way pinpoints the problem of the farmer bribery program we have in this country.
 
Read the rest of it . Loan waivers are not the answer. Rich commit suicide more than poor.

This is a factual repudiation of the current leftist narrative in India.

ALL suicide is due to depression. Happy people do not kill themselves :P

Depression is not just loosing money, it can be losing love, loved ones, losing an arm or leg, illness, mental stress etc.
 
ALL suicide is due to depression. Happy people do not kill themselves :P

Depression is not just loosing money, it can be losing love, loved ones, losing an arm or leg, illness, mental stress etc.

Precisely, so the OP is discussing the politicization of farmer suicides. Currently this is being used to hold up the LAB.

Rather than increase procurement prices and cause inflation or hold up industrialization, maybe what the farmers really need is better mental health care and anti depressants.
 
Precisely, so the OP is discussing the politicization of farmer suicides. Currently this is being used to hold up the LAB.

Rather than increase procurement prices and cause inflation or hold up industrialization, maybe what the farmers really need is better mental health care and anti depressants.

Farmer suicide is just used to highlight the tragedy of being a farmer in India. Do not miss the forest for the trees.

Its not like the farmers who do not commit suicide are living it up in style.
 
Farmer suicide is just used to highlight the tragedy of being a farmer in India. Do not miss the forest for the trees.

Its not like the farmers who do not commit suicide are living it up in style.

It is no more a tragedy to be a farmer than a fisherman, or a cycle mechanic or a house wife. The question is that there is no money to be made highlighting suicides of housewives .

Farmers commit suicide at a rate LOWER than the national average. Read quote below.

Why is the media ignoring the fall in the farm suicide rate to below the national rate? Because no journalist will get a medal and no TV anchor will get TRPs for revealing that farmers have become less suicidal than others. Rather, this will suggest that the awards and eyeballs that journalists, academics and TV anchors got in past years were perhaps undeserved, and who wants to admit that?
 
It is no more a tragedy to be a farmer than a fisherman, or a cycle mechanic or a house wife. The question is that there is no money to be made highlighting suicides of housewives .

Farmers commit suicide at a rate LOWER than the national average. Read quote below.

Why is the media ignoring the fall in the farm suicide rate to below the national rate? Because no journalist will get a medal and no TV anchor will get TRPs for revealing that farmers have become less suicidal than others. Rather, this will suggest that the awards and eyeballs that journalists, academics and TV anchors got in past years were perhaps undeserved, and who wants to admit that?

I am tired of repeating this same argument.

Its not easy being a Farmer, they are tougher than most people. Far tougher. This is not to demean fishermen or mechanic.

We are discussing people who contribute directly to GDP and are productive members of society, housewives don't. Understand the difference before getting carried away by the sound of your own voice.

You are so narrowly focused on suicide that you are not looking at the plight of farmers who do not commit suicide but live in misery but continue to provide food security to India and employ directly and indirectly 60% of India.

First open up your mind and allow it to see the forest, rather than focusing on the trees. Understand what I am trying to say, rather than focusing on replying to me.
 
I am tired of repeating this same argument.

Me too, so this will be my last response to you.

Its not easy being a Farmer, they are tougher than most people. Far tougher. This is not to demean fishermen or mechanic.

As I said before it is no tougher being a land owning farmer than many other professions. Why is it tougher to be a farmer than a fisherman who risks life and limb everyday.

We are discussing people who contribute directly to GDP and are productive members of society, housewives don't. Understand the difference before getting carried away by the sound of your own voice.

Housewives may be a little surprised to hear that they are nonproductive. Thiiatbtheir contribution is hard to measure does not make it any the less valuable.

You are so narrowly focused on suicide that you are not looking at the plight of farmers who do not commit suicide but live in misery but continue to provide food security to India and employ directly and indirectly 60% of India.
You are so narrowly focused on the plight of farmers that you are not looking at the plight of the remaining millions of people who are much worse off than farmers. Why are we subsidizing farmers at the expense of other equally deserving people also contributing to the GDP.
 

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