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CPEC facing teething problems

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Problems are coming to light, requiring a lot of legal and procedural clarifications and adjustments.—Planning Commission of Pakistan
Now that the initial euphoria of ‘higher than the Himalayas and deeper than the deepest sea’ is over, the $45bn China-Pakistan Economic Corridor is beginning to hit the ground realities.

As is expected of such a major initiative, some teething problems are coming to light, requiring a lot of legal and procedural clarifications and adjustments. Most of these seem to be exposing the general lack of preparedness and casual handling of projects that has become the hallmark of our bureaucratic culture.

Also read: CPEC to benefit entire region, say analysts

This has resulted in repeated project delays, cost overruns and unquantifiable lost economic opportunities. Cost rationalisation, according to Planning Minister Ahsan Iqbal, had alone created a Rs490bn cushion in the last fiscal year.

Pakistan has been struggling to convince Chinese authorities to accept around a 10pc cost overrun for the $1.5bn Lahore Orange Line Metro Train even though the project has yet to take off
While dealing with external players, such lethargy and poor project handling can have exponential costs. Pakistan has been paying substantial commitment charges without utilising loans from development lenders every year and this has to be taken care of on an urgent basis.

Following the 6,600MW Gadani Power Park debacle arising out of a half-baked plan, the two sides seem to have learnt the lesson to take up ‘early harvest’ projects that are ready to take off immediately and could be expected to deliver results before the PML-N goes into the next polls with a success story on having reduced the power shortfall.

Focal persons are now being appointed in all the ministries and agencies concerned with the CPEC to expeditiously process any hitches and glitches.

Meanwhile, a mega coal-based project previously being pushed for Sahiwal is reported to have faced financing problems because of the infrastructure required for transporting coal. It has now been replaced, at least on paper, with two smaller coal power projects at Thar and Hub to compensate for Sahiwal’s lost capacity.

Pakistan has recently been struggling to convince Chinese authorities to accept around a 10pc cost overrun for the $1.5bn Lahore Orange Line Metro Train even though the project has yet to take off.

The Chinese Exim Bank was insisting on a loan agreement of $1.48bn to be signed with the Punjab government as originally discussed, but Pakistani authorities want this to be increased by another $147m to meet contingencies that arise during the project’s implementation.

The local authorities have to be blamed for originally negotiating the project for $1.48bn with the Chinese before getting the cost escalated to $1.63bn through the Executive Committee of the National Council. Unless an arrangement for the ‘additional requirement’ is made, the project cannot achieve financial close. The financing cost of the 27km Rs165.2bn project is also reported to be on the higher side despite it being in the ‘concessional category’.

On top of these, the Chinese have sought tax exemptions on insurance and financing on almost all CPEC projects.

At the heart of the problem is the IMF’s condition under which the government has withdrawn the powers of the taxation authorities to grant exemptions through statutory regulatory orders.

At present, no tax exemption is permissible on insurance premiums paid to non-resident companies because only a low rate of 5pc is applicable, while all CPEC projects are mostly covered by the state-owned Chinese firm Sinosure. The Chinese authorities want the insurance premiums paid to Sinosure to be exempted from the income tax.

The tax authorities have, however, made arrangements with focal persons for a speedy processing of issues related to customs and other taxes to avoid problems at the field formations to facilitate Chinese contractors.

The Chinese contractors are also seeking input tax adjustments to process Thar coal, though initially only for the Engro coal project. Under existing law, input-tax adjustment is not permissible for local coal and an exemption could only be secured through a special decision of the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the cabinet, subject to a subsequent act of parliament.

To certify power-plant machinery and equipment beyond 25MW, the tax authorities require the Engineering Development Board to issue capacity certificates despite the fact that the EDB has clearly stated that it is not a certification agency and it cannot oblige.

The CPEC-related companies are also seeking tax exemptions on the dividend income of their shareholders even though this facility is not available under the existing law for coal mining and coal-based power projects.

Another relief being sought by the Chinese is the exemption from sales tax on vehicles imported for use on project sites. These vehicles are exempt from customs duty but not from sales tax under the existing law. All of these issues may have to be initially decided by the ECC on the premise of ‘emergency situation or prior foreign commitment,’ and then subsequently confirmed by parliament through the finance bill or a separate act.

The issue of income tax on interest payments to the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China appears to have been resolved for coal-based energy projects, provided the two governments are able to sign a third protocol under a treaty for the avoidance of double taxation.

The tax authorities in Islamabad and Beijing are reported to be in the final phase of talks on this protocol to facilitate the CPEC projects. The prime minister has reportedly given a go ahead.

Meanwhile, the power sector authorities are also pushing for speedy notifications to give legal cover to the fiscal incentives announced for the transmission projects.

CPEC facing teething problems - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
No major project is a walk in a park..latest example being the JSF35.
While cost-over runs are factored in they can be passed on to the state and borrowed from local banks or simply recovered via taxes / toll / surcharges etc.
 
CPEC facing teething problems

562d637e15edb.jpg
Problems are coming to light, requiring a lot of legal and procedural clarifications and adjustments.—Planning Commission of Pakistan
Now that the initial euphoria of ‘higher than the Himalayas and deeper than the deepest sea’ is over, the $45bn China-Pakistan Economic Corridor is beginning to hit the ground realities.

As is expected of such a major initiative, some teething problems are coming to light, requiring a lot of legal and procedural clarifications and adjustments. Most of these seem to be exposing the general lack of preparedness and casual handling of projects that has become the hallmark of our bureaucratic culture.


Anyone, including the OP, ever managed programs at this level for a billion or more? These problems are a part of the game. Expecting a $ 45 BILLION dollar worth of mammoth amount to be spent without issues means someone's on drugs, may be illegal and legal both!!!! Expect serious litigation, internal law suits, work stopping and starting......BUT it'll all finish one day. That's the beauty of it :cheers:. And it'll change Pakistan entirely and for the better, compared to the Pakistan till 2013!!!
 
Anyone, including the OP, ever managed programs at this level for a billion or more? These problems are a part of the game. Expecting a $ 45 BILLION dollar worth of mammoth amount to be spent without issues means someone's on drugs, may be illegal and legal both!!!! Expect serious litigation, internal law suits, work stopping and starting......BUT it'll all finish one day. That's the beauty of it :cheers:. And it'll change Pakistan entirely and for the better, compared to the Pakistan till 2013!!!
your not the only one who thinks cpec will benefit pakistan.
 
All projects of this size has issues. I expect more of them as the project progresses. Nevertheless, the Chinese are investing $46 billion already. Anything above and beyond that should be covered by Pakistan.
 
I'd really like it to benefit me, over 30% ROI from Pak stock market? Not bad!!! Waiting for this to take some shape before putting money in :tup:

kse is different ball game. its one of the best performing stock exchanges in the world. its a bit volatile. i remember putting in quiet a lot in there about 2 year ago. my investment returned 10% i got my initial investment and left my profit back in stocks. its still there. i invest all over. weird thing is i have mates at canary wharf who can sort me out but i go far to hong-kong,Beijing, india, pakistan and Indonesia. currently looking at africa, good opportunity for mining.
KSE world's best performing frontier stock market: report - The Express Tribune
 
There are problems because the Pakistani ministries are too fcuking slow. They won't approve the tariff for the power plants on time, and without that no one will begin constructing plant. That's just one example. Sometimes the plant is ready to deliver the power, the but the fcuking NTDC has not laid the transmission line or has laid only at partial capacity.
 
No major project is a walk in a park..latest example being the JSF35.
While cost-over runs are factored in they can be passed on to the state and borrowed from local banks or simply recovered via taxes / toll / surcharges etc.

Read the article once again... One can say lots of things to get satisfaction. Now tax free resource for China. And Pakistan will have to invest in infrastructure to facilitate Chinese investment. Same like 300 billion dollars deals with Russia which is going no where as Russia has to invest at least 50 billion dollars to operationalise 300 billion Chinese investment. Chinese talk big shows huge but do little. Same like their products. Bakwas

There are problems because the Pakistani ministries are too fcuking slow. They won't approve the tariff for the power plants on time, and without that no one will begin constructing plant. That's just one example. Sometimes the plant is ready to deliver the power, the but the fcuking NTDC has not laid the transmission line or has laid only at partial capacity.

I smell huge corruption involved. More delays more money demanded from China for same work. Same like previous Indian national Congress tactics
 
Read the article once again... One can say lots of things to get satisfaction. Now tax free resource for China. And Pakistan will have to invest in infrastructure to facilitate Chinese investment. Same like 300 billion dollars deals with Russia which is going no where as Russia has to invest at least 50 billion dollars to operationalise 300 billion Chinese investment. Chinese talk big shows huge but do little. Same like their products. Bakwas



I smell huge corruption involved. More delays more money demanded from China for same work. Same like previous Indian national Congress tactics

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From the comments:

"There should be no delay. Pakistan is already paying interest for this money at 16% returns."

Is this true? I have never heard of such high rates before. Japan is offering $15 billion loan at 1% to India for a bullet train between Mumbai and Ahmedabad in comparison.
 
kse is different ball game. its one of the best performing stock exchanges in the world. its a bit volatile. i remember putting in quiet a lot in there about 2 year ago. my investment returned 10% i got my initial investment and left my profit back in stocks. its still there. i invest all over. weird thing is i have mates at canary wharf who can sort me out but i go far to hong-kong,Beijing, india, pakistan and Indonesia. currently looking at africa, good opportunity for mining.
KSE world's best performing frontier stock market: report - The Express Tribune

Stock markets heavens from an ROI's standpoint is the U.S.
high growth, small cap securities, then Pakistan(KSE) and then Africa. Both KSE and Africa will have similar results in the future.

You must've hit the wrong stocks as KSE has been one of the top 5 best performers during the past three years. Good luck :tup:

From the comments:

"There should be no delay. Pakistan is already paying interest for this money at 16% returns."

Is this true? I have never heard of such high rates before. Japan is offering $15 billion loan at 1% to India for a bullet train between Mumbai and Ahmedabad in comparison.

Nope, wrong comments. Every investment deal that Pakistan has with China, it's financed by China, to the Chinese companies doing the project. There is a very small percentage that Pakistan gets as a loan. That's why they call these projects "investments" and not loans.
 
From the comments:

"There should be no delay. Pakistan is already paying interest for this money at 16% returns."

Is this true? I have never heard of such high rates before. Japan is offering $15 billion loan at 1% to India for a bullet train between Mumbai and Ahmedabad in comparison.
16% that can't be true, that's too much
 
16% that can't be true, that's too much


It's not true, or even close to it. Illogical and yellow journalist would write these stories with mistakes. It's probably 1.6. I just read a report on Dawn on the earth quakes, some listed it as 1.8 at the richtor scale, when it was around 8 on the scale. This is when the readers use common sense :tup:
 
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