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Counter-Ideology: Unanswered Questions and the Case of Pakistan

To EjazR

What would you say about the All India Muslim Personal Law Board that runs parallel to the state laws.

In one of its objectives it says:

To strive for annulment or exempting the Muslims from the ambit of such direct, indirect or parallel legislation, whether already enacted or in the process of enactment or to be enacted in future, or rulings and judgements of the courts of law interfering in the application of Muslim Personal Law.

And in another it says:

To constitute “Action Committees” for protection of the Muslim Personal Law from time to time, and for striving to implement of the decisions of the Board throughout the country.

What does this say about the political component of Islamic ideology?
 
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@Halaku,

The question is whether the idea of grabbing political power and establishing an Islamic state is inferred from traditional Islam or not. You are confusing misconceptions in Islam in general with this singular point being discussed here.

So there are only two camps, the mainstream and traditional Islam which reject this concept from across the range of muslims, from "modern, liveral" muslims to traditional conservatives muslims including the salafis/wahabbis.

The other is the fringe camp as articulated by Syed Qutb and Maududi and later turned more radical and violent as articulated by Abdullah Azzam (was a co-founder of LeT) who wrongly support this concept. There is no third party here. And people who wish to nuke their own family and people hardly have any input in this intellectual debate except in choosing which camp they want to be in. I guess I should post some articles from Non-muslim scholars who actually know what they are talking about. Oliver Roy is one expert in this regard but I will post some articles in this thread soon.

IMO the debate is already settled, but the fringe ideologues like Zawahiri use the takfiri tag and declare all these traditional Islamic scholars as kafirs and do not follow them. The important task is to spread awareness among muslims about this. Especially since its the muslims themselves and muslim majority countries who have suffered the most and continue to do so from this ideology.


@Valiant Soul
Completely offtopic again; its "personal" law and applies only to muslims who choose to use it. Its not seeking to establish an Islamic state or has anything related to that. I don't agree with many aspects of personal law board and there are many areas of improvements needed ofcourse.

But it hardly comprises of 2-3% of civil law related to private matters. Again this is IF muslims themselves want to approach the board for arbitration. There is nothing stopping a muslim from going to a regular court if he/she doesn't want to get the case heard under muslim personal law. Also there is nothing sacrosanct about muslim personal law board as well. AIMPLB is NOT the final word or authority on muslim affairs and is not the sole caretaker of muslim personal law issues. Criminal law is the same for all which is more important.

So IMO its strengthening the secular concept of India were muslims, christians, parsis, jews, and other religious communities and other tribals and can maintain their religious cultural freedom in personal affairs. This is the same model followed in UK and the US as well. And there are similar personal law courts in UK if I'm not mistaken. And infact even non-muslims take benefit of this if they want to do so. Its not parallel but complementary and has nothing that is against the prevalent law of the land.

Anyways, I again suggest you stick to the topic
 
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Karen Armstrong: Violent Islamic radicals know they are heretical | Comment is free | The Guardian
Extremists are proud of their deviance, and moderate Muslims can't be held responsible

A few years ago at a conference in the US, a Christian fundamentalist erupted into the hall and launched a vitriolic attack on me and my fellow panellists. His words were tumbling over one another incoherently, but the note of pain was clear. We had obviously assaulted him at some profound level. For three days my colleagues and I had discussed complex and radical issues in theology, not once at a loss for words; but stunned by the impact of this attack, we could find nothing to say. Dumbfounded, we gazed bleakly at our assailant across an abyss of incomprehension, until he was hustled out.

This type of incident is now common. Increasingly, people find it difficult to communicate with their co-religionists. The divide is as great as that between religious and secular people. Many of the faithful feel threatened by those who interpret their tradition differently; it seems their sacred values are in jeopardy. An apparently impassable gulf yawns between liberal and fundamentalist Christians, reform and orthodox Jews, traditional and extremist Muslims. Because of our preoccupation with the so-called clash of civilisations, this internal tension is often overlooked.

It is a year since the London bombings, an act committed in the name of Islam by a viciously disaffected minority, but which violated the essential principles of any religion. Doubtless with this anniversary in mind, the prime minister has complained that British Muslims are not doing enough to deal with the extremists. The "moderate" Muslims, he said testily, must confront the Islamists; they cannot condemn their methods while tacitly condoning their anger. The extremists' anti-western views are wrong, and mainstream Muslims must tell them that violent jihad "is not the religion of Islam".

This regrettable step will put yet more pressure on a community already under strain. It ignores the fact that the chief problem for most Muslims is not "the west" per se, but the suffering of Muslims in Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Iraq and Palestine. Many Britons share this dismay, but the strong emphasis placed by Islam upon justice and community solidarity makes this a religious issue for Muslims. When they see their brothers and sisters systematically oppressed and humiliated, some feel as wounded as a Christian who sees the Bible spat upon or the eucharistic host violated.

It is disingenuous of Tony Blair to separate the rising tide of "Islamism" from his unpopular foreign policy, particularly when Palestinians are being subjected to new dangers in Gaza. He is also mistaken to imagine that law-abiding Muslims could bring the extremists to heel in the same way that he disciplines recalcitrant members of his cabinet. This is just not how religious groups operate.

During the 20th century, a militant piety erupted in almost every major world faith: in Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism and Confucianism, as well as in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It is often called "fundamentalism". Its aim is to bring God and/or religion from the sidelines back to centre stage, though very few fundamentalists commit acts of violence. Coined by American Protestants who wanted a return to Christian "fundamentals", the term is unsatisfactory, not least because it suggests a conservative and backward-looking religiosity. In fact, fundamentalists are rebels who have separated themselves irrevocably and on principle from the main body of the faithful. Fundamentalist movements are nearly always the result of an internal dispute with traditional or liberal co-religionists; fundamentalists regard them as traitors who have made too many concessions to modernity. They withdraw from mainstream religious life to create separatist churches, colleges, study groups, madrasas, yeshivas and training camps. Only later, if at all, do fundamentalists turn their wrath against a foreign foe.

Thus Sayyid Qutb (1906-66), whose ideology is followed by most Sunni fundamentalists, had no love for the west, but his jihad was primarily directed against such Muslim rulers as Jamal Abdul Nasser. In order to replace secularist Fatah, Hamas began by attacking the PLO, and was initially funded by Israel in order to undermine Arafat. Osama bin Laden began by campaigning against the Saudi royal family and secularist rulers such as Saddam Hussein; later, when he discovered the extent of their support for these regimes, he declared war against the US. Even when fundamentalists are engaged in a struggle with an external enemy, this internal hostility remains a potent force.

It is unrealistic to hope that radical Islamists will be chastened by a rebuke from "moderate" imams; they have nothing but contempt for traditional Muslims, who they see as part of the problem. Nor are extremists likely to be dismayed when told that terrorism violates the religion of Islam. We often use the word "fundamentalist" wrongly, as a synonym for "orthodox". In fact, fundamentalists are unorthodox - even anti-orthodox. They may invoke the past, but these are innovative movements that promote entirely new doctrines.

Fundamentalist Christians who claim that every word of the Bible is literally true are reading in an essentially modern way; before the advent of our scientifically oriented culture, Jews, Christians and Muslims all relished highly allegorical interpretations of their holy texts. Religious Zionists who regard Israel as sacred also fly in the face of tradition. A hundred years ago, most orthodox rabbis condemned the idea of a Jewish secular state in the Holy Land. In making the assertion that a cleric should be head of state, Ayatollah Khomeini flouted centuries of Shia orthodoxy, which separated religion and politics as a matter of sacred principle.

The same is true of the new emphasis on violent jihad. Until recently, no Muslim thinker had ever claimed it was the central tenet of Islam. The first to make this controversial, even heretical, claim was the Pakistani ideologue Abu Ala Mawdudi in 1939. Like Qutb, he was well aware that this innovation could only be justified by the godless cruelty of modernity. Informed extremists today do not need to be told that their holy war is unorthodox; they already know.

The extremists believe that mainstream Muslims have failed to respond to the current crisis and are proud of their own deviance. Attempting to shift the blame to the already beleaguered Muslim community could further alienate the disaffected. It will certainly not prevent another London bombing.

· Karen Armstrong is the author of The Battle for God, A History of Fundamentalism
 
Karen Armstrong: The label of Catholic terror was never used about the IRA | Politics | The Guardian
Fundamentalism is often a form of nationalism in religious disguise

Last year I attended a conference in the US about security and intelligence in the so-called war on terror and was astonished to hear one of the more belligerent participants, who as far as I could tell had nothing but contempt for religion, strongly argue that as a purely practical expedient, politicians and the media must stop referring to "Muslim terrorism". It was obvious, he said, that the atrocities had nothing to do with Islam, and to suggest otherwise was not merely inaccurate but dangerously counterproductive.

Rhetoric is a powerful weapon in any conflict. We cannot hope to convert Osama bin Laden from his vicious ideology; our priority must be to stem the flow of young people into organisations such as al-Qaida, instead of alienating them by routinely coupling their religion with immoral violence. Incorrect statements about Islam have convinced too many in the Muslim world that the west is an implacable enemy. Yet, as we found at the conference, it is not easy to find an alternative for referring to this terrorism; however, the attempt can be a salutary exercise that reveals the complexity of what we are up against.

We need a phrase that is more exact than "Islamic terror". These acts may be committed by people who call themselves Muslims, but they violate essential Islamic principles. The Qur'an prohibits aggressive warfare, permits war only in self-defence and insists that the true Islamic values are peace, reconciliation and forgiveness. It also states firmly that there must be no coercion in religious matters, and for centuries Islam had a much better record of religious tolerance than Christianity.

Like the Bible, the Qur'an has its share of aggressive texts, but like all the great religions, its main thrust is towards kindliness and compassion. Islamic law outlaws war against any country in which Muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely, and forbids the use of fire, the destruction of buildings and the killing of innocent civilians in a military campaign. So although Muslims, like Christians or Jews, have all too often failed to live up to their ideals, it is not because of the religion per se.

We rarely, if ever, called the IRA bombings "Catholic" terrorism because we knew enough to realise that this was not essentially a religious campaign. Indeed, like the Irish republican movement, many fundamentalist movements worldwide are simply new forms of nationalism in a highly unorthodox religious guise. This is obviously the case with Zionist fundamentalism in Israel and the fervently patriotic Christian right in the US.

In the Muslim world, too, where the European nationalist ideology has always seemed an alien import, fundamentalisms are often more about a search for social identity and national self-definition than religion. They represent a widespread desire to return to the roots of the culture, before it was invaded and weakened by the colonial powers.

Because it is increasingly recognised that the terrorists in no way represent mainstream Islam, some prefer to call them jihadists, but this is not very satisfactory. Extremists and unscrupulous politicians have purloined the word for their own purposes, but the real meaning of jihad is not "holy war" but "struggle" or "effort." Muslims are commanded to make a massive attempt on all fronts - social, economic, intellectual, ethical and spiritual - to put the will of God into practice.

Sometimes a military effort may be a regrettable necessity in order to defend decent values, but an oft-quoted tradition has the Prophet Muhammad saying after a military victory: "We are coming back from the Lesser Jihad [ie the battle] and returning to the Greater Jihad" - the far more important, difficult and momentous struggle to reform our own society and our own hearts.

Jihad is thus a cherished spiritual value that, for most Muslims, has no connection with violence. Last year, at the University of Kentucky, I met a delightful young man called Jihad; his parents had given him that name in the hope that he would become not a holy warrior, but a truly spiritual man who would make the world a better place. The term jihadi terrorism is likely to be offensive, therefore, and will win no hearts or minds.

At our conference in Washington, many people favoured "Wahhabi terrorism". They pointed out that most of the hijackers on September 11 came from Saudi Arabia, where a peculiarly intolerant form of Islam known as Wahhabism was the state religion. They argued that this description would be popular with those many Muslims who tended to be hostile to the Saudis. I was not happy, however, because even though the narrow, sometimes bigoted vision of Wahhabism makes it a fruitful ground for extremism, the vast majority of Wahhabis do not commit acts of terror.

Bin Laden was not inspired by Wahhabism but by the writings of the Egyptian ideologue Sayyid Qutb, who was executed by President Nasser in 1966. Almost every fundamentalist movement in Sunni Islam has been strongly influenced by Qutb, so there is a good case for calling the violence that some of his followers commit "Qutbian terrorism." Qutb urged his followers to withdraw from the moral and spiritual barbarism of modern society and fight it to the death.

Western people should learn more about such thinkers as Qutb, and become aware of the many dramatically different shades of opinion in the Muslim world. There are too many lazy, unexamined assumptions about Islam, which tends to be regarded as an amorphous, monolithic entity. Remarks such as "They hate our freedom" may give some a righteous glow, but they are not useful, because they are rarely accompanied by a rigorous analysis of who exactly "they" are.

The story of Qutb is also instructive as a reminder that militant religiosity is often the product of social, economic and political factors. Qutb was imprisoned for 15 years in one of Nasser's vile concentration camps, where he and thousands of other members of the Muslim Brotherhood were subjected to physical and mental torture. He entered the camp as a moderate, but the prison made him a fundamentalist. Modern secularism, as he had experienced it under Nasser, seemed a great evil and a lethal assault on faith.

Precise intelligence is essential in any conflict. It is important to know who our enemies are, but equally crucial to know who they are not. It is even more vital to avoid turning potential friends into foes. By making the disciplined effort to name our enemies correctly, we will learn more about them, and come one step nearer, perhaps, to solving the seemingly intractable and increasingly perilous problems of our divided world.

· Karen Armstrong is author of Islam: a Short History
 
Here is the relevant part of the article explaining the Qutubists pov in the Pakistan perspective and its early policy of supporting them internally as well as in Afghanistan and Kashmir


The Hindu : Opinion / Leader Page Articles : Pakistan and the Taliban’s stateless power
Praveen Swami

Much of the writing which helped lay the ideological foundations for Pakistan’s jihadist movement bears out this proposition, touching only fitfully on the question of what kind of state it seeks to create.

Abdullah Azzam, Palestine-born jihadist who co-founded the Lashkar-e-Taiba, listed only one obligation for the Islamic state in his work The Signs of Allah, the Most Merciful, in the Jihad in Afghanistan. “It is incumbent on the Islamic state,” he stated, “to send out a group of mujahideen to their neighbouring infidel state. They should present Islam to the leader and his nation. If they refuse to accept Islam, jizyah [a tax] will be imposed upon them and they will become subjects of the Islamic state. If they refuse this second option, the third course of action is jihad to bring the infidel state under Islamic domination.”

Indeed, Azzam argued, the Afghan mujahideen he venerated had erred precisely because they sought state power. “Instead of directing their guns at the infidels of India to liberate Kashmir, and at the Russians to liberate Tajikistan,” Azzam wrote, “they went at each other’s throats in a genocidal power struggle for the remains of Kabul. They chose carrion over the Paradise of Kashmir, Tajikistan and Palestine.”

Azzam’s principal ideological mentor, the Egyptian Brotherhood-linked intellectual Sayyid Qutb, was also cursory in his treatment of the Islamic state. Qutb’s signal work, Milestones, cast Islam as being in implacable opposition to jahiliyyah, or the state of ignorance. In Qutb’s view, the “Muslim party has no choice but to go for and control the power centres for the simple reason that an oppressive immoral civilisation derives its sustenance from an immoral governmental set-up.” However, Qutb offered no map of what ‘the Muslim party’ ought to do once it captured the state. Instead, he cast the future as consisting of an endless struggle between Islam and jahilliyyah.

Developing on ideas like these, the Lashkar ideologues argued that the absence of an Islamic state meant jihad had become incumbent on individual Muslims. In an undated tract, Jihad in the Present Times, the Lashkar’s Abdul Salaam bin-Muhammad argued that Muslims were in a “position of disgrace and slavery.” It was therefore “binding and incumbent” upon individuals to fight until Islam became the “dominant global order.

Lashkar ideologues have often criticised Pakistani regimes for failing to join in this project — but have never initiated a political mobilisation seeking to take control of the state itself. Lashkar chief Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, in a June, 12, 2008 speech, called on Pakistan to “disassociate itself from the war on terror and join the mujahideen to fight in Afghanistan and Kashmir.” His deputy, Abdul Rehman Makki, went one step further, asking that the Pakistan government “should snap ties with the U.S. and Europe and wage an open jihad against them.” Later, in October 2008, Saeed railed against President Asif Ali Zardari for failing to understand that “the only way of stopping Pakistan from becoming a barren wasteland is to free Kashmir from Indian occupation.” In both Afghanistan and Jammu and Kashmir, the Lashkar acted on its polemic. Never, though, did it demonstrate the desire to capture state power to further the jihad.

For scholars of Islamist movements, this is no surprise. French scholar Olivier Roy has pointed out that the jihadist “quest for a strict implementation of shariah with no concession to man-made law pushes them to reject the modern state.”

Pakistan’s elites have proved adroit at transforming the apocalyptic fears raised by the prospect of a jihadist coup into hard cash. Between 2002 and 2008, the U.S. spent $11.2 billion to help Pakistan combat terrorism and enhance security. But the cash has, quite evidently, done little to persuade Islamabad to abandon its march into the abyss. It is becoming clear that the war against jihadist terrorism cannot be won without first finding ways to transform the worldview and institutional interests of Pakistan’s army.
 
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Here is another relevant part of an article which mentions that traditional scholars like Maulana Taqi Usmani (who is from Pakistan) was against the politcal Islam ideology as propounded by Bin Laden and the Taliban movement.

Jehad and Muslims
AG Noorani

Prof. Olivier Roy is one of the foremost authorities on political Islam. The analyses in his book The Failure of Political Islam have been proved all too correct by time. The present work is an appropriate sequel. He writes in an arresting style, with flashes of insight, and remarkable documentation. He spent several years with the Afghan mujahideens and has lectured in Iran's holy city, Qom. His analyses are original. "Globalised Islam refers to the way in which the relationship of Muslims to Islam is reshaped by globalisation, Westernisation and the impact of living as a minority. The issue is not the theological content of the Islamic religion, but the way believers refer to this corpus to adapt and explain their behaviours in a context where religion has lost its social authority."

Islamist movements ran out of steam. They adopted neo-fundamentalism that rejected national cultures and opted for an imagined unified ummah globally. Its members uprooted themselves from their native milieu. "The deterritorialisation of Islam is also a result of globalisation and has nothing to do with Islam as such, even if it concerns millions of Muslims. But through the increase in migratory and population flows, more and more Muslims are living in societies that are not Muslim; a third of the world's Muslims now live as members of a minority."

However, "If one looks to modern times, Al Qaeda is not an isolated phenomenon. Suicide attack became a standard of guerilla warfare in the 1980s, through the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (or Tamil Tigers), who supposedly practise Hinduism, the religion of Mahatma Gandhi. Simultaneously, aeroplane hijacking was invented by the Palestinians (then secular) with the help of the ultra-leftist and Western Red Army Faction. The first suicide attack on Israeli soil was perpetrated in 1972, by the Japanese Red Army. The real genesis of Al Qaeda violence has more to do with a Western tradition of individual and pessimistic revolt for an elusive ideal world than with the Koranic conception of martyrdom."

Al Qaeda needs allies but its search is severely limited by its religiosity. It has no vision to share with them. Bin Laden's goals are unnegotiable. "His aim is simply to destroy Babylon". The work abounds with striking phrases and aphorisms which mark Roy's style. Bin Laden is not an Islamic jehadist. "Notwithstanding the debate on what the word really means, it is clear that jehad, as an armed struggle, has always been instrumentalised for political and strategic purposes, by state actors or would-be state actors. Bin Laden's jehad has more to do with the ethos of a modern Western terrorist."

Le Monde Diplomatique of September 2004 carried a brilliant article by Roy entitled "Al Qaeda brand-name ready for franchise". There are those who attack targets in the West, acting outside their home, and others who attack "Western" targets at home. The West imagines that it is a centralised outfit at work. In truth, "it is a network of militants and only exists as long as they attack". It has three options for its survival - franchising its band name, partnership and organised crime. "It has already started franchising its brand name" to local groups who act in its name but without direct links to its headquarters. Islamist Networks, co-authored with Mariam Abou Zahab, contains a detailed account of the links between Central Asian, Afghan and Pakistani outfits. Documents published by the National Security Archive in the U.S. suggest that the Taliban desperately sought U.S. recognition and might well have ditched bin Laden - for a price. The U.S. refused to negotiate.

Roy calls a specific form of fundamentalism "neo-fundamentalism". It is "both a product and an agent of globalisation, first of all because it embodies in itself an explicit process of deculturation. It rejects the very concept of culture, whether conceived of as arts and intellectual productions or as an integrated system of socially acquired values, beliefs and rules of conduct, as defined by anthropology. It looks at globalisation as a good opportunity to rebuild the Muslim ummah on a purely religious basis, not in the sense that religion is separated from culture and politics, but to the extent religion discards and even ignores other fields of symbolic practices." Local cultures are rejected in quest of an imagined unified community. L.K. Advani is one such. He wanted Kashmiri Pandits to be known simply as Hindus. Hindutva disdains the rich diversities of Hinduism and seeks to construct an artificial uniformity as do the Islamic neofundos. Political violence passed into the hands of both in the 1990s.

Significantly, most of the Muslim ulama denounced 9/11. Muhammad Qasim Zaman records in his book The Ulama in Contemporary Islam (OUP, Karachi; pages 293, Rs.595) that "the Deobandi Ulama were never unanimously euphoric about the Taliban". A number of them expressed their reservations. "In terms of intellectual activity, too, there is a great gulf between the Deobandi Taliban and Deobandi scholars like Taqi Uthmani".

Professors Roy and Bonney make an identical plea which Muslims would do well to consider seriously. Roy writes: "A puzzling problem remains to be answered, however; namely, the apparent dearth of reformist thinkers in the Muslim world. If Westernisation is such a tremendous challenge, and no matter what the practical adaptations to it of the average Muslims, what accounts for the seeming lack of theological debate? In fact there are many modern Muslim thinkers (such as Mohammed Arkoun, Khaled Abou El Fadl, Abdolkarim Sorouth, Muhammad Shahrur and Mohsen Kadivar). The issue is not about writers but about readers. Why are reformists so little read?"

Bonney urges Muslims to accept pluralism and interaction with other faiths. He proposes six principles - peaceful resolution of conflicts; "resort to war only in the last resort, when the cause is just and of a defensive nature"; dialogue between cultures and religions; acceptance of diversity of traditions; respect for human rights of the individual; and democratic political participation on the basis of equal citizenship.

"For too long the Muslim mainstream has hidden its `light under a bushel'. The debates within Islam which have addressed the main issues of modernity, pluralism and human rights, issues which are of concern for the West, are not well known in the West." Nor in India, though there is an increasing awareness of human rights in Muslim countries.

Mashood A. Baderin of the University of the West of England has written an excellent work in which he establishes that Islamic law supports every provision in both the United Nation's International Covenants - on civil and political rights and on the economic, social and cultural rights (International Human Rights and Islamic Law; OUP; pages 279, �60).

So is international humanitarian law, which is a part of international law. Prof. Yadh ben Ashoor points out: "A number of works give accounts of relevant directives issued by Abu Bakr [the first Caliph who succeeded the Prophet], who is said to have given ten commandments to one of his generals: `Do not kill any women, children, elders or wounded. Do not have fruit-trees or date-trees cut down. Do not burn them. Do not destroy inhabited places. Do not have cows or sheep drowned. Do not be guilty of cowardice, but do not be inspired by hatred'... . It should not be forgotten that, on the legal front, the methodology adopted by Islam is founded on effort (ijtihad). Consequently, it is the duty of contemporary Moslem jurists to adapt classical solutions and interpretations to the needs of the times.

"The only condition is that the results should not run counter to the letter and spirit of the Koran or the Sunnah, but should foster the interests of the Islamic community. In fact, nothing in the Koran or Sunnah seems to be in direct contradiction to international humanitarian law. The opinions of certain great scholars should only be taken as doctrinal stand points, and these must be divested of their sacredness that the fortuities of history have bestowed on them." (International Review of the Red Cross; March-April 1980; pp.59-69).

According to a tradition of the Prophet (hadith), he instructed his commanders: "do not kill a minor child or an old man of advanced age or a woman, do not hew down a date palm or burn it, do not cut down a fruit tree, do not slaughter a goat or cow or camel except for food... According to a different transmission of the tradition, he enjoined upon his commanders `the fear of God. Do not disobey,'... `do not cheat, do not show cowardice, do not destroy churches, do not inundate palm trees, do not burn cultivation, do not bleed animals, do not cut down fruit trees, do not kill old men or boys or children or women."

The jehadis have no use for the Prophet's dicta or, for that matter, with Islam itself. Their concern is not with the faith, but its exploitation to secure their political end.
 
There are also fatwas and lectures in Arabic by many salafi/wahabbi ulema in Saudi Arabia who have spoken out against this and condemned the Qutubist ideology but not many translations exists in English since obviously these were focused on the Saudis and wider Arab audience. However parts of these are presented below.

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Shaykh Abdul-Aziz Bin Baz, Saudi Arabia

The late Shaykh Abdul-Aziz Bin Baz, the former Mufti (verdict giver) of Saudi Arabia, made the following comment about acts of terrorism: "From that which is known to anyone who has the slightest bit of common sense, is that hijacking airplanes and kidnapping children and the like are extremely great crimes, the world over. Their evil effects are far and wide, as is the great harm and inconvenience caused to the innocent; the total effect of which none can comprehend except Allah.

Likewise, from that which is known is that these crimes are not specific to any particular country over and above another country, nor any specific group over and above another group; rather, it encompasses the whole world.

There is no doubt about the effect of these crimes; so it is obligatory upon the governments and those responsible from amongst the scholars and others to afford these issues great concern, and to exert themselves as much as possible in ending this evil."

In specific reference to the Egyptian Qutbist group which eventually saw some of its members become associated with al-Qaeda, Shaykh Abdul-Aziz Bin Baz was asked, "What is the verdict concerning Jamaa'atul-Jihaad (The Jihad Party of Egypt) and co-operation with them?"

He answered, "...They are not to be co-operated with, nor are they to be given salutations (salaam). Rather, they are to be cut off from, and the people are to be warned against their evil, since they are a tribulation and are harmful to the Muslims, and they are the brothers of the Devil."

In his book al-Irhaab (Terrorism), Shaykh Zayd al-Madkhali spoke about the iniquity of those who spread corruption in the earth: "And certainly, I say without doubt, that these kinds of people, May Allah guide them, divert people from the path of truth in the way they act towards people. And no one is safe from their evil in their lands, except those who are a part of their party of which destroys, and does not build, corrupts much, and does not rectify.

Source:The Wahhabi Myth - Salafism, Wahhabism, Qutbism
 
Completely offtopic again; its "personal" law and applies only to muslims who choose to use it. Its not seeking to establish an Islamic state or has anything related to that.

It is amusing you say that, when clearly it states that one of its objective is to stop the state's court of law or other government institutions in interfering with its "matters". And also that it wants its decisions to be binding throughout India. Certainly, it is not seeking to establish an Islamic state, per se, but also does not wants government institutions interfering with its affairs, which is quite a step towards that notion.

Anyways, setting aside these issues, I request you to briefly recollect all what you have said in the various posts here and tell us what in your opinion is the problem and what is the solution.

Anyways, I again suggest you stick to the topic

Clearly in that case, it is an intra-Muslim affair. There is nothing for non-muslims to say.
 
It is amusing you say that, when clearly it states that one of its objective is to stop the state's court of law or other government institutions in interfering with its "matters". And also that it wants its decisions to be binding throughout India. Certainly, it is not seeking to establish an Islamic state, per se, but also does not wants government institutions interfering with its affairs, which is quite a step towards that notion.


Clearly in that case, it is an intra-Muslim affair. There is nothing for non-muslims to say.
The AIMPLB is a private institution, it does NOT represent all Indian muslims. You may feel that it looks like a step towards "Islamic state" but its not. Especially since none of its aims and objectives state that. Infact many muslims themselves are vocal critics of AIMPLB and some of their views. Moreover, AIMPLB is aimed at upholding acts and laws passed by the parliament to protect personal laws. These acts also apply to others as well including for christians, jews parsis tribals e.t.c. Its stated objectives are not against the constitution of India.

Halaku raising Maududi was valid and not offtopic, AIMPLB is something completely different and hardly relevant when dealing with issues related to terrorism in the name of Islam.


Anyways, setting aside these issues, I request you to briefly recollect all what you have said in the various posts here and tell us what in your opinion is the problem and what is the solution.

The ideology that muslims are some how required to establish an "Isamic state" and esposing religious nationalism in the name of Islam is the problem. The ideology that was radically deviant from traditional and classical Islam and led by Syed Qutb and Maududi. After the failure of these movements politcally, a new form of ideologues like Abdullah Azzam emerged which tried to justify the means for ends using terrorism as well.

This fringe movements were strengthened by western government support against Communist forces. The Saudi and Pakistani establishment were heavily involved in this as well. The US (a superpower ) trained and supported these same groups to defeat USSR(another superpower) Many of their ideologues which hunted by Arab countries like Egypt, Algeria e.t.c were given asylum in western countries as a counterweight to communist forces in these countries.

The Book by Fawaz Gerges "The Far Enemy" is an excellent in this regard.

I won't say that I have all the answers on HOW to solve this. But knowing the problem is the first step. Many muslims aren't aware of this specific issue with a large number even saying things like AQ is a CIA sponsored organization. TTP are raw agents e.t.c

IMO the solution will be multiple fronts, but the most important will be traditional Islamic scholars loudly advocating through writing and speeches in mosques on rejecting this ideology. The media should also be intelligent enough to advocate this point of view and spread awareness among muslims and to an extent non-muslims as well.

In India, the ulema have been vocal advocates of this since the beginning and hence you see why there is hardly any Indian present in AQ type networks even though Indian muslims represent 15% of global muslim population. While smaller muslim countries in arab world as well as muslims in western countries born and bought up there have been extensively involved.

Other things like education, justice, democratic governments, freedom of expression, reform and ijtihad, interfaith dialogue e.t.c. all need to be added to this and important but these are all secondary when it comes to this specific issue.
 
An interesting article about the failure of politcal Islamic parties.

The Fatwa - By Kenan Malik | Foreign Policy

A frail old man, wearing a black turban and ankle-length robes, stepped out of an Air France 747 into a chill February morning. His back hunched, he clutched the arm of a steward as he took faltering steps down a portable ramp to touch Iranian soil. After 15 years in exile, Ruhollah Khomeini had come home, the 78-year-old spiritual leader of a popular revolution that had toppled the shah of Iran and humbled SAVAK, his American-backed secret police force. Several million people from all across the country thronged into the capital to welcome the ayatollah, lining the 20-mile route out to Behesht-Zahra cemetery, where many of the martyrs of the revolution were buried. "The holy one has come!" they shouted triumphantly. "He is the light of our lives!" At the cemetery Khomeini prayed and delivered a 30-minute funeral oration for the dead. Then a boys' chorus sang, "May every drop of their blood turn to tulips and grow forever. Arise! Arise! Arise!"

In the decade between Khomeini's return to Tehran and the imposition of his fatwa on Salman Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses -- and it was almost 10 years to the day that the one followed the other -- Islamism mutated from being a minor irritant to nationalist regimes in Muslim countries into a major threat to the West. The Rushdie affair, and the fatwa in particular, seemed like a warning that the seeds of the Iranian revolution were being successfully scattered across the globe, not least into the heart of the secular West.

And yet the fatwa was an expression as much of the failure of radical Islam as of its success. In 1989, the radicals in Tehran were on the defensive. Iran had been forced, the previous year, to abandon a bitter and bloody eight-year war against Iraq that cost the lives of up to a million Iranians. Khomeini was facing increased domestic opposition from reformers such as the speaker of the parliament, Ali Hashemi Rafsanjani, who had condemned the "shortsightedness" of Iranian foreign policy for "making enemies without reason" and was pushing for improved relations with the West.

The fatwa was an attempt by the radicals to regain the initiative. And it set a template for what was to happen over the next two decades: the political failure of radical Islam matched by an increasing turn toward violence and terrorism -- and matched, too, by exaggerated fears in the West about the threat it was facing.


Through the 1990s, Islamist parties grew in influence in Turkey, Palestine, and elsewhere, shaking the very foundations of secular government. In Algeria a vicious and bloody civil war broke out in 1991 between the Groupe Islamique Armé and the secular military government, a war that spilled over into acts of terror in France. The Taliban imposed its medieval rule on Afghanistan. The creation of Hamas in Palestine and Hezbollah in Lebanon posed a mortal threat not just to Israel but also to secular organizations such as the PLO. Radical groups like Hizb ut-Tahrir gained a foothold within Muslim communities in Western Europe. And terror worked itself into the political landscape, from suicide bombings in Palestine and Lebanon, to bombings on the Paris Métro, the attack on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and eventually the horror of 9/11.

While all this was happening, the Berlin Wall collapsed, and with it the vision of global socialism. Many young Muslims who had previously been attached to left-wing radical movements were now left politically homeless and searching for new ideological shelter. The collapse of the Soviet Union had also opened the way for the umma physically to extend its reach beyond the old Iron Curtain to embrace the new Muslim states of Central Asia, the Caucasus, and the Balkans.

Many analysts expected Islamists to sweep to power across the world. The former U.S. ambassador to Algeria, Christopher Ross, who in the wake of 9/11 would become a "special coordinator for public diplomacy and public affairs," declared in 1993 that the Middle and Near East were "fated to witness a wave of Islamist revolutions, successful or failed, over the next decade." A decade later, a CIA report predicted that Islamists would "come to power in states that are beginning to become pluralist and in which entrenched secular elites have lost their appeal."

It never happened. There was no second Iranian revolution. In places like Egypt, Jordan, and Malaysia, where the Islamists once held high hopes of repeating Khomeini's success, their influence has been curtailed, admittedly often through brutal repression. Outside of the rare cases where social convulsions shaped the political landscape for a short period, such as in Algeria in 1991, when elections took place on the eve of civil war, and with the single exception of Hamas in Gaza in 2006 (and the disputed Iranian elections of 2009), no Islamist party has ever won more than 20 percent of the popular vote. Parties that have broken through the 20 percent barrier (in Algeria, Tunisia, and Turkey, for instance) have done so largely by shedding their Islamist trappings, renouncing their dreams of a caliphate, and becoming ordinary political parties with Muslim leanings -- and in the process often becoming better democrats than the secularists they toppled.

We are left, then, with a paradox. On the one hand, Western societies have become increasingly fearful of Islamic terror, and politicians and commentators often talk as if the West is under siege from radical Islam. From the Rushdie affair to the electoral success of Hamas in Gaza, from the worldwide protests over the Danish cartoons to the increasing calls for the introduction of sharia law not just in Muslim countries but in secular Western nations too, Muslims seem increasingly drawn to radical arguments. On the other hand, not only has Tehran failed to export its revolution, but Islamist parties have mostly failed to win mass support. "For all its political successes in the 1970s and 1980s," Gilles Kepel writes in Jihad: The Trail of Political Islam, "by the end of the twentieth century the Islamist movement had signally failed to retain political power in the Muslim world, in spite of the hopes of supporters and the forebodings of enemies."

How can we explain this paradox? Terror is an expression of the impotence of (political)Islamism; unable to win for themselves a mass following, jihadists have become impresarios of death, forced into spectacular displays of violence to gain the attention they cannot win through political means. Nothing reveals the moral squalor of radical Islam better than its celebration of the suicide bomber. Traditional political and military movements nurtured as their greatest asset the people who supported them. For jihadists, people are like firecrackers to be lit and tossed away.

And yet this weakness has been transformed into strength by the political uncertainty and self-doubt that has seeped into Western societies. The key question, as Bill Durodie, senior fellow in Human Security at Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, writes in a 2007 essay, is not "what it is that attracts a minority from a variety of backgrounds, including some who are relatively privileged, to fringe Islamist organizations, but what it is about our own societies and culture that fails to provide aspirational, educated, and energetic young individuals with a clear sense of purpose."

The initial campaign against The Satanic Verses had minimal impact and drew little support from Muslim communities beyond Britain and the Indian subcontinent. It was Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa that drew global headlines. But the fatwa itself was a sign of weakness rather than of strength, an attempt by Khomeini to distract attention from defeat in the war with Iraq and the erosion of political support at home. In the West, it was not theological distress about blasphemy but political despair about belongingness and identity that stoked up anti-Rushdie sentiment.

One of the myths of the Rushdie affair is that the anti-Rushdie campaigners were all male, middle aged, poorly-educated, badly integrated, and devout to the point of blindness. Many were indeed like that. But many, equally, were young, left-wing, articulate, educated, and integrated. Few of these were religious, let alone fundamentalist. They were more familiar with the pub than with the mosque, had probably read Midnight's Children with more interest than they had the Quran, and were more likely to be clutching a packet of Durex than the Holy Book. Many had, like me, been involved in anti-racist campaigning in the 1980s. Many, indeed, had been my friends. And for many, Salman Rushdie had been a hero: In the early 1980s Rushdie was better known for his anti-racist rhetoric than for his incendiary assaults on Islam.

So why were people like this drawn to the anti-Rushdie campaign? Partly because of anger at the level of racism they faced. Partly because of disenchantment with the left with which many were involved. And partly because of the growth of multiculturalism as an official political policy. Multicultural policies suggested the inability, even unwillingness, of British politicians and institutions to reach out to young Asians as citizens rather than as members of a "community of communities." It suggested, too, the abandonment by many politicians of basic liberal notions of equality, individual rights, and freedom of expression. The reluctance of politicians to speak to their resentments, the aversion of many to a language of common citizenship, and the willingness to appease Islamist sentiments in the name of multiculturalism, inevitably pushed many young Muslims toward an Islamist identity, even if there was little within that identity to pull them in.

What is true of the response to the fatwa is equally true of the response to the jihad. On 9/11, the hijacked planes tore into the fabric, not simply of the World Trade Center and of the Pentagon, but also of Western self-assurance. "If a flight full of commuters can be turned into a missile of war," observed the New York Times, "then everything is dangerous." This erosion of self-belief, as much as the reality of the threat facing the West, has created a culture of fear, connecting the burning of Rushdie's book to the burning towers in Manhattan. Islam, as Olivier Roy has written, "is not the cause of the crisis" in the West; it is rather "a mirror in which the West projects its own identity crisis."

An assertive, self-confident society that possessed moral clarity about its beliefs would have little trouble dealing with the claims of fundamentalists, and indeed with the acts of terrorists. The insecurities of Western societies about the worth of basic liberal values and the emergence of fear as a dominant sentiment, have, however, made Islamists appear more potent than they are. "Vulnerability is never the best proof of strength," as the Muslim philosopher, and spokesman for the anti-Rushdie campaigners, Shabbir Akhtar put in his book Be Careful with Muhammad, mocking the doubts of Western liberals. From fatwa to jihad, Western politicians and intellectuals have not only exaggerated the threat facing their societies but have also lacked the moral and political resources to respond to it. That is the real lesson of the past two decades.
 

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