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In 2005 India announced a new military doctrine called Start Cold mainly targeting Pakistan as its potential enemy. In November 2009, Indian army chief made a statement that there is a possibility of a limited war between Pakistan and India in a nuclear overhang. In December 2009, Indian chief announced that India is ready to take on both Pakistan and China in a ‘two front war’ simultaneously. These statements spurred a quick reaction in Pakistani media and military establishment.

Indian statements

Indian army chief statement came in a closed door seminar in Shimla based military academy on five year review of its military doctrine and operational preparedness. Full details of the Indian chief speech are not known but what is released to media can be summarized as under;

1. India is in position to mobilize its forces so that they can move into enemy territory within 96 hours to execute its Cold Start military doctrine.

2. India is now ready to take on Pakistan and China both in a “two front war” in a nuclear over hang.


3. India is going to enhance its “strategic reach and out-of-area capabilities” to protect its interests from Malacca strait to Persian Gulf.

4. To achieve above mentioned goals India would attain “operational synergy” between the three services


5. Countering “both military and non-military facets of asymmetric and sub-conventional threats.”

Indian army chief’s statements met with prompt reply from Pakistani military top brass. “Proponents of conventional application of military forces, in a nuclear overhang, are charting an adventurous and dangerous path, the consequences of which could be both unintended and uncontrollable,” said General Kiyani, CoAS Pakistan army. The next day Chairman joint Chief of Staff General Tariq Majeed responded to two front war doctrine in these words, “Leave alone China, General Deepak Kapoor knows very well what the Indian Army cannot and the Pakistan Army can pull off militarily”. He said the Indian Army chief “could not be so outlandish in strategic postulations to fix India on a self-destruct mechanism”.

Although Pakistan army made it clear that it is alive to the threats faced by the nation and recent history has proved that despite its numerical advantage and bigger economy, India was not able to initiate a war against Pakistan. It is important to look at drivers behind these statements by Indian army chief and how come this time Indian military establishment is so confident about their preparedness to take not only Pakistan but also China in a future war whereas in a previous stand off just 8 years ago the same Indian army could not fire a single bullet?

First it would be prudent to seek why these statements by Indian army chief came at this point of the time.





Indian army chief’s statements came when there are lots of things taking place in Pakistan’s internal politics at a rapid pace.

There is a critical political turmoil in the country especially after the Supreme Court of Pakistan’s decision on controversial NRO case. Though no final judgment has been issued but it seems that a large number of government members and ministers would be disqualified as their legitimacy for an elected parliamentarian would nullified once the final decision is announced and these members and ministers would have to leave their seats and criminal cases against them would be reopen in the courts. The danger of disqualification is not limited to ministers but president of Pakistan is also endangered by this decision of SC. If the court decided that President Zardari must come to court to clear allegation of corruption against him this would create another political crisis in the country where law and order situation is already very fragile due to war on terror.

Law and order situation in Pakistan has turned worst in year 2009 due to suicide attacks throughout the country. At the beginning of 2010, situation in previously the calm Karachi city has also turned worrisome regarding law and order. The city witnessed worst kind of riots and arson in history during last three weeks.

Militarily Pakistan army is stretched from Khyber to Karachi, now on both Eastern and Western borders. Pakistan army currently is combating TTP in South Waziristan after taking back Malakand division. According to recent news, Pakistan army has sealed roads to Orakzai agency before launching a full fledge operation there as well.

Recently a group of US senators visited Pakistan and had meetings with top brass of Pakistan army during their visit. It was also indicated by some senators that Pakistan army soon would launch an operation in North Waziristan as well. This will stretch Pakistan army further along with Afghan border. Active part of ‘Operation Rah-i-Rast’ in Swat/Malakand is over though but still Pakistan army units are there as civilian forces, and are not ready to take control of the whole region. Army and the provincial government are building community police setup there, but it would take some time to get control.

Pakistan armed forces are undergoing a massive modernization program which is about to be completed not earlier than 2019. Modernization enhances skills of any force but it also includes a learning cover and time to absorb technology. Pakistan air force would go nearly a complete overhaul as almost entire fleet of PAF would be eventually replaced with new one till 2019.

On the other hand Indian forces are getting latest weapon system since long and are in better position and have a clear numerical strength against Pakistani forces. All above factors made current time more feasible for India to launch its preemptive strikes against Pakistan army and its infrastructure by executing Indian Cold Start doctrine.


Ultimate Indian Plan: Cold Start & 4th Generation warfare (4GWs)

Though Pakistani response at military level was well calculated and prompts along with a strong response from Pakistani foreign office, but still it would be prudent to study Indian military preparedness and the doctrine

The Indian army plan is not new, but Indian military establishment devised this plan to take on Pakistan and China in a war simultaneously some five years ago. A careful look at statement of Indian army chief makes it clear that Indians are eying establishing a strong military footprint in Indian Ocean from Malacca strait to Persian Gulf.

"This would enable us to protect our island territories; also give assistance to the littoral states in the Indian Ocean Region," said Gen Kapoor.

Cold start doctrine is not about capturing Pakistani territory but inflicting as much damage as possible to enemy forces and infrastructure within matter of hours. It is more like a hit and run tactics giving no time to Pakistan to react.

Indian military adopted Cold start on April 28, 2004, after a 10 months long standoff (Operation Parakram) with Pakistan army along 2500 kilometer Indo-Pak border in 2002. In this stand off Indian army strike formation took almost a month to be mobilized. Contrary to this Cold Start emphasizes on quick deployment of forces and synergize operations of all three services towards destruction of Pakistan army defenses and units in short possible time. But is it all that easily possible? Does Indian military have that kind of inter service coordination to implement Cold Start in real war? This is the point where some Pakistani analysts believe that India still doesn’t have the capability to carry on its Cold Start doctrine against Pakistan. An objective analysis of this aspect is only possible after studying Indian strategic military planning against Pakistan during last five years can answer this important question.

To overcome inter services coordination a separate South-Western Army Command has been formed since 2005 which deals with Indian military deployment and operations along with Pakistani borders only. One of the major reason for raising new command was to fulfill the demands of integrated battle groups consisting Indian army and air force units and squadrons. India is working on its preparedness for surgical strikes with these battles group since 2005, now and the job of fine tuning these tactics is assigned to Army Training Command (ARTRAC) and the Army War College. From statement made by Lt. Gen. Labama it is evident that India is ready to go to war with Pakistan and China simultaneously.

Another reason for adopting Cold Start by India is to minimize the reaction time available for diplomatic solution of any potential crisis like one emerged after Mumbai attacks in November 2008. Indian government and forces were under pressure to carryout some surgical strikes on so called terrorist infrastructure on the Pakistani soil. Under Cold Start Indian military would make sure that any diplomatic solution comes after India gets all its objectives. A war between Pakistan and India would jeopardize the entire war on terror. But still India would need a pretext to execute its Cold Start doctrine and this is where 4th generation warfare comes into equation.

Use of 4th generation warfare against Pakistan is a more dangerous and disturbing angle of Indian designs which most defense analysts in Pakistan have overlooked. This paradigm of warfare revolves around asymmetrical warfare to get a moral victory with minimum nation state involvement. It is necessary to understand major difference between various generations of warfare and figuring out which one of these Pakistan is facing now. First generation revolved around conscription and firearms. Nepoleon wars can be categorized in this generation. Second generation involved nation-state armies, alignment of warfare resources and raw firepower. WWI can be categorized as 2nd generation warfare. Third generation warfare included armored warfare and maneuvering and best example of this generation of warfare was WWII which ended only after usage of nuclear weapons in Japan in 1945.

By the end of 20th century Russia invaded in Afghanistan and this was the start of a new generation of warfare. Though guerilla warfare is very old but in 1982 after direct involvement of CIA in this conflict, this guerilla warfare gave birth to fourth generation warfare (4GWs) that works on principle of lesser to no nation state involvement but rely on ad-hoc warriors and moral conflicts. Other imperatives of 4GWs include adaptation of technology to surprise the enemy and information warfare.

A careful look at what Pakistan army is combating in FATA makes it clear that Pakistan army is dealing with first phase of Indian design against Pakistan which deals with winning a moral war by adopting 4GWs.It cannot be a coincident that Pakistan army is facing an enemy who has; ad-hoc fighters, propaganda warfare capabilities in form of FM radios, very advanced weaponry and communication gear. This is indeed not a war waged just for revenge against Pakistan army to side US after 9/11. If it is then how come the poor tribesmen gathered all these assets within a short period of time and mastered the skills to use them against world’s 6th largest military machine i.e Pakistan army.



Pakistan army and security management have no doubts about Indian support to TTP, a banned terrorist organization committing horrific terrorism nationwide since its inception in 2005 (The same year when India adopted new military doctrine and raised a new military command along with Pakistani border). Pakistan army has seized not only Indian made weapons in Swat and FATA but also has eliminated number of Indian combatants. Proofs have already been given to civilian government to take up the matter at world forums but there is no sign of urgency in this regard in Islamabad which is not only strange but questionable as well.

Though Pakistan army has fought successfully with Indian 4GWs in Swat and FATA but due to lack of political will was unable to gain any higher moral ground in community of nations. On the other hand India already has built a case against Pakistan as a country being used as staging ground for terrorism against its neighbors.

Chinese Slant

Although China is also mentioned in the statement by Indian army chief as a potential enemy in the war along with Pakistan but it is no secret that India has always used foreign military aid against Pakistan. India has one clear advantage over China in current geopolitics in the world. There is an embargo on China for Western high tech military equipment after Tiananmen Square incident 1989. On the other hand India along with a healthy economy has no such restrictions imposed for military hardware despite worst human right conditions thanks to global hypocrisy and double standards of West and US. Still India lacks in many areas when it comes to military balance vis a vis China.

China sensed the importance of indigenization a long ago and started to develop its military production facilities in 1960s. Now Chinese military complexes not only supply advanced weapons to its own forces but also export large amount of these weapons to other countries including Pakistan. Not only this, but China helped Pakistan to build its own military industry after debacle of 1971.

With its well established economy and knowledge base China has crossed many milestones in military hardware production. Now apart from US and Russia China is the only country in the world to run a 5th generation military jet fighter project. Apart from its indigenization efforts sheer number of Chinese forces is another factor why India would never think about carrying out any military adventure against China. Apart from this military comparison China unlike Pakistan or India is a veto power in UN Security Council and can dissuade any move by India in UN against Pakistan or China.

The mentioning of China in Indian chief statement is a mere indication to West and US that now India is ready to take a role of regional power and both US and West can trust India as any ally against communist China. US is banking on India to compete with China in economics and military fields but friendship of Pakistan and China is a big hurdle for India in both these fields. India is eyeing permanent seat in UN since long now and the current statement can also be a signal to US and West to accept India as a big player in the region along with China.

All the military aid would be used against Pakistan in actual war that is evident from history as well when US helped India against China in 1962. Most of US weapons were used against Pakistan in 1965 war.

Cold Start and Possible Pakistani Response

As indicated in its response Pakistani military leadership has made it clear that any misadventure by India can result in unavoidable consequences. Indian doctrine is flawed at many places.

Firstly ,India would have to have a solid reason and pretext to launch any attack no matter low limited against Pakistan.

Secondly, Indians have no gauge of Pakistani military planning to counter Cold Start. It must be bear in mind that Pakistan military announced in July 2005 that it is fully aware of Indian Cold Start doctrine. Pakistan may deploy its unconventional arms much earlier than India has envisaged.

Thirdly, Due to Pakistani preparedness there is clear lack in synergy required in Indian forces to implement Cold Start successfully. Indian Navy would not be able to blockade Pakistani Navy in Karachi as now Pakistan Navy has two more naval bases in Omara and Gawadar. Likewise if Indian air force deploys its front line jet fighter and bombers on forward air bases (FABs) Pakistani cruise missile can come into equation much earlier.

Fourthly, a time line of 48 hours or 96 hours to put Pakistan in a military submission to India with help of armor corps and air support can be proved as dangerous as claims of capturing Lahore in one day proved in 1965. A prolonged combat on borders can put strategic Indian infrastructure in danger. Pakistan air force can launch attacks on dams built on Chenab and Jehlam rivers in Kashmir, Pakistan strategic force command would be in position to hit Indian economic centers like Silicon Valley in Banglore.

Fifthly, Indian military establishment failed to see how a handful of Kashmiri fighters made 700,000 Indian army troops permanently stationed in one valley since decades. Despite presence of this force, which is more than total regular army of Pakistan, Indian government has failed to curb freedom struggle in Kashmir and this circumstances any war between Pakistan and India would be last thing the Indian army would ever dream in Kashmir. Indian military would be in no position to control Kashmiris and fight Pakistan army at same time.

Sixthly, Indian military establishment is relying much more on President Zardari’s announcement that Pakistan will not use its nuclear weapon as first strike. In reality it is Pakistan army who will decide which weapon is to be used when and where.

Last but not the least India is relying on its ever increasing air power not only for Cold Start but to neutralize any Pakistani deployed missiles in a preemptive strikes. It seems that time for such an operation has almost gone for Indian air force. In 2010 PAF would be reshaped to take on the challenges of 21st century. PAF has already established parity in Air Born Early Warning capability after inducting SAAB Erieye AEW&C platform. In June 2010 Pakistan would start receiving state of the art F-16 Block52 fighters from US and PAF Air defense system is going to enhance its capabilities manifold by inducting MBDA’s Spada2000 medium range SAM system. Though Indian air force currently is enjoying numerical superiority but India can’t put all its war assets against Pakistan in a war keeping in view size of India.

Another problem which India is going to face during any execution of Cold Start is the gauge of nuclear threshold of Pakistan, a point where Pakistan would decide to go for unconventional warfare. This is where Army Chief Asfaq Perviz Kiyani hinted that consequences of any misadventure in a nuclear overhang can be suicidal for India.

Suggestions

Indian aggression in future would increase. Recent trends of buying military hardware by India are a clear indication to this fact. Pakistan armed forces don’t need to match Indian counterparts but rather require higher level of preparedness. It is not Cold Start that must alarmed security managers but it is 4th generation warfare by Indian intelligence and military establishment that must be a source of contention for Pakistan. Pakistani military and civilian government needs to take some steps in order to defeat Indian 4GWs tactics in FATA and to prevent India from deploying its forces ever again.

Pakistan must maintain a strategic ambiguity about first use of its nuclear weapons against any enemy including India. An early announcement would always put Pakistan on wrong footing as it will provide another opportunity to Indian and world media to talk about Pakistan’s obsession against India.

Pakistan army must complete all the counter insurgency operation as soon as possible and strike units must report back giving control to the civilian forces in areas which have been cleared of militants. The good news is Pakistan army has realized the importance of civilian forces. Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Kiyani vows to support NWFP police with equipment and training while speaking at police academy in Peshawar.

In any future force stand off Pakistan military must make sure that it has deployed enough strategic weapons that can not be compromised by a pre-emptive strike by Indian air force or other strikes.



Pakistan must build a strong case against India and her involvement in Pakistan particularly in supporting terrorism in Baluchistan and FATA. Pakistan army has given proofs to government and the ball is in democratic government’s court to take the case on international forums like UN where Pakistan easily can seek Chinese help in order to unearth Indian intentions against Pakistan and peace in the region.

In any future political crisis in the country, Pakistan army must keep itself isolated from political turmoil and remained focused on external threats as any involvement in politics would degrade Pakistan’s ability to respond to a prompt military challenge posed by India.

Government must ensure that Pakistan armed forces modernization program remain on track and government always has a reliable financing on short notice for an urgent need if armed forces raise a demand.

Pakistan must quit current defensive foreign policy adopted in Musharraf era. Pakistan must make it clear to world that any act of terrorism must not be linked to Pakistan without proper investigations. Recent student crisis in UK has exposed this weakness in foreign policy where government was failed to react in time when innocent Pakistani students were charged for planning a terrorist attack. Similar ineptness was evident on part of government in case of Samjootha Express incident, which was wrongly blamed on Pakistan but the government was failed to respond on international forum.

Media management of Pakistan armed forces and its operations inside country has always been weak. In Pakistan, unlike India, media is not always behind army. Despite the gains by Pakistan army in war on terror in time span of three to five months in Swat and South Waziristan there is still a perception that Pakistan army is unable to combat terrorism and some even go to an extent that Pakistan army might be supporting Taliban. These perceptions are culmination of a weak media policy by government and needs an urgent attention to change these misperceptions.
 
India will only be humiliated if they try their military action on China. What India has got is better than that of China? none!
 
Pakistan should beef up defense ties with other countries as Iran has been doing in South America I believe. China is not Pakistan's bodyguard but it is also not in their interest that India receive south Asia's most powerful strategic point.

Friendship and civilian/military ties are the key.
 
India will only be humiliated if they try their military action on China. What India has got is better than that of China? none!

why would we invade China?
all our defense posturing against China is defensive...there is no purpose in even trying to invade china.
 
There is not purpose trying to fight large scale war across the tibet type landscape. India cannot stage large scale invasion or hold land in china and vice versa.
 
India will only be humiliated if they try their military action on China. What India has got is better than that of China? none!

I have no reason to believe that India wants to attack China. The proposition is whether China will attack India in case Pakistan attacks India.

And regarding your comment what India has that is better than China? I think you should read bit more. May be your comrades can explain you! Ask them about India AF and Navy.
 
I have no reason to believe that India wants to attack China. The proposition is whether China will attack India in case Pakistan attacks India.

And regarding your comment what India has that is better than China? I think you should read bit more. May be your comrades can explain you! Ask them about India AF and Navy.

Your military chiefs had admitted India's weaker air and naval forces compared to China. You tell me what I don't know about Indian equipment or what is superior possessed by IA. MKI? forget it.
 
Your military chiefs had admitted India's weaker air and naval forces compared to China. You tell me what I don't know about Indian equipment or what is superior possessed by IA. MKI? forget it.

It is upto you dude! The Chinese AF quality can be guaged when Pakistan which completely relies on China for JF-17 is now replacing the Chinese avionics with French.

So, I would gladly advise to get more informed before debating!
 
.Dont trust India/Indians these days particularly their military establishments.Whatever all you know is open source media.Did your media covered an unintentional naval standoff between US and indian navy? when an indian sub mis-thought an US SSN as a chinese sub and flooded torpedo tubes in the bay of bengal?
No mate,whose submarine force is superior here? Such things wont show up in open media and that too in a foreign media.

Every country has their own advantages and dis-advantages.One country excels in one type of warfare while the other in a different type.Just because china won a short border skirmish using tons of soldiers against tens and that too on a country which said china as a bro and forget defending borders,cant make your army invincible.

May be we will see who has better under their sleeves in the next show between India and China till then any judgment based on open source news and reports make it highly unreliable.

In a most possible scenario between India-China war, if its conventional: then it has to be by use of army and airforce.
As many indians say,they wont be offenders,they might stay guard defending positions while welcoming chinese army and airforce.
Now it is upto you to put your bets on how much india is spending to beef up its borders with china with artillery and sam`s,....

A naval war between china and india is highly impossible.Given the current chinese capabilities in naval warfare,they can dare to venture into indian ocean during a war with india.Chinese naval suits best as a coastal defence navy.India being sitting on a strategic choke point,it can tumble all your trading business though that route.And they know indian ocean better that chinese.and the recent US submarine incident is a good example.

If you say its nuclear? both of you got nukes and missiles to strike each other cities.Since no one knows who has how many nukes and launchers, it will be one with more number and good ABM support wins.(After all both sides will loose in a nuclear war leaving the whole world in a turmoil.a nuclear exchange between china-india will melt up himalays glaciers and the rivers down stream will flood whole sub-continent and china.)

You know? If one has a grudge on either india/pakistan/china,he just blow a freaken MT nuke on himalays---------will be the end for the 3 and a slow death for the rest of world with a rise in sea level :D


Hey, enemies of distroyer of enemies, why the hell you need to

wrote such a long post for strict BS ? so i guess i need to match you

force by force= a long post too, HaHaHa

All you wanted to tell everybody was how superior Indians were

against Chinese and Pakistanis, go ahead and believe all you want

to get a better sleep.

While you enjoying your wet dream, a little question i like to raise,

Why miss out your "soft-belly"=missiles technonogy ?

How Indians going to deal with it ? no missiles involve incase of war ?

Example=Sy-400 rockets which got the capability to blow your PM

office to mid air, and we have more than 10000 of it, how you going

to intercept it ? how many of your missiles can hit our major cities ?

do your mighty MKI need airbases to take off and landing ?

About your superior navy, do read this;
China Trying to Destablize India

P.S. I am afraid you will be running out of business as a human

excr.....cleaner during the arrival of new "Stone Age", be alert.
:smitten::pakistan::china:
 
Ok, now that there already are numerous threads about this super duper "Cold Start Doctrine", and you started yet another, I have a very simple question. Explain in very simple English what do you understand by 'Cold Start Doctrine'?

Anyone?

Now coming to this particular piece of mumbo-jumbo you posted to start this thread (assuming these are not your words), lets see what we find.

Cold start doctrine is not about capturing Pakistani territory but inflicting as much damage as possible to enemy forces and infrastructure within matter of hours. It is more like a hit and run tactics giving no time to Pakistan to react.
Whoever typed this, apparently and evidently, has no understanding of CSD or for that matter military doctrines.
All the military aid would be used against Pakistan in actual war that is evident from history as well when US helped India against China in 1962. Most of US weapons were used against Pakistan in 1965 war.
Excellent assumption when all the evidences and facts point to the contrary!
Would you care to support that 'point' with sufficient evidence? Can you post the list of weapons that India received from US, to be used against China and Pakistan?
Secondly, Indians have no gauge of Pakistani military planning to counter Cold Start. It must be bear in mind that Pakistan military announced in July 2005 that it is fully aware of Indian Cold Start doctrine. Pakistan may deploy its unconventional arms much earlier than India has envisaged.
If one understood CSD thoroughly, countering an effective assault would be nearly impossible.
Being aware of CSD and trying to formulate an effective response are different ball games altogether.
Question: How are you going to counter attack or stop an attack if you have no clue as to where its going to take place?
As opposed to Sundarji's Doctrine (SD) which had 3 strike corps, CSD has eight or more. SD was Army show only, while CSD has all the branches involved. Indo-Pak border is a long one and those eight or more corps can strike anywhere anytime. Counter that! (Dont give me BS about nukes. Save those for blind nationalists)
Thirdly, Due to Pakistani preparedness there is clear lack in synergy required in Indian forces to implement Cold Start successfully. Indian Navy would not be able to blockade Pakistani Navy in Karachi as now Pakistan Navy has two more naval bases in Omara and Gawadar. Likewise if Indian air force deploys its front line jet fighter and bombers on forward air bases (FABs) Pakistani cruise missile can come into equation much earlier.
A very ridiculous point! Oh so Pak preparedness is going to scare the shyte out of Indian armed forces that they will lose cohesion? IAF aircraft in FABs without sanitizing enemy territory or taking into account enemy retaliatory measures?
Was that a brain fart?
Fourthly, a time line of 48 hours or 96 hours to put Pakistan in a military submission to India with help of armor corps and air support can be proved as dangerous as claims of capturing Lahore in one day proved in 1965. A prolonged combat on borders can put strategic Indian infrastructure in danger. Pakistan air force can launch attacks on dams built on Chenab and Jehlam rivers in Kashmir, Pakistan strategic force command would be in position to hit Indian economic centers like Silicon Valley in Banglore.
Another brain fart! Seriously, if one knew CSD, this whole scenario that is typed above sounds implausible! You see, the above scenario defeats the entire purpose of CSD! Now either IA planners are more stupid than 'Peter Griffin' or the author of the article is an imbecile! I place my bets on the latter.
Fifthly, Indian military establishment failed to see how a handful of Kashmiri fighters made 700,000 Indian army troops permanently stationed in one valley since decades. Despite presence of this force, which is more than total regular army of Pakistan, Indian government has failed to curb freedom struggle in Kashmir and this circumstances any war between Pakistan and India would be last thing the Indian army would ever dream in Kashmir. Indian military would be in no position to control Kashmiris and fight Pakistan army at same time.
CSD and COIN are different modes of operations! What has COIN ops got to do with CSD? Please explain.
Sixthly, Indian military establishment is relying much more on President Zardari’s announcement that Pakistan will not use its nuclear weapon as first strike. In reality it is Pakistan army who will decide which weapon is to be used when and where.
Oh, so you think that its very easy to lob nukes this side of the border, eh? Pak Establishment's threshold is not that low that any trigger happy general will press the red button once field artillery start booming. Pak Govt's threshold levels are actually a tad bit lower than the Establishment's! Go figure. Its a complicated process and its out of the scope of this thread.
Last but not the least India is relying on its ever increasing air power not only for Cold Start but to neutralize any Pakistani deployed missiles in a preemptive strikes. It seems that time for such an operation has almost gone for Indian air force. In 2010 PAF would be reshaped to take on the challenges of 21st century.
Nice. Now do you really have the moolah to get around to doing this? How is Pakistan going to pay for all the shiny new 4th gen/5th gen toys? Freebie accounts have been maxed out! Show me the money baby, and I will believe.

Oh one more thing. Lest one gets confused, let me clarify something, CSD is Pakistan specific, nothing to do with China! China has something different in store, if it gets adventurous!

All in all, a very stupid article playing to the cheap frontbenchers gallery!
Without knowing Cold Start Doctrine people with challenged intelligence come up with such 'brilliant' assumptions!
 
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I Know that the COAS of PA is not fully aware of CSD, CSD is not a opensource live Wikipedia, it is a TOP SECRET WAR DOC, some bits o pieces only avialable to the world....

CSD---PAK setric


Take a gud sleep...
 
I Know that the COAS of PA is not fully aware of CSD, CSD is not a opensource live Wikipedia, it is a TOP SECRET WAR DOC, some bits o pieces only avialable to the world....

CSD---PAK setric


Take a gud sleep...

Yeah TOP SECRET WAR DOC, same like the one in 87, which ISI got and PA positioned its troops right where the Indian thrust was to happen and IA had to face humiliation.

CSD isn't that hard to interpret and see what the goal is and how it can be achieved.

Anyway, you guys also have a good sleep with this thought that PA COAS or PA doesn't know much.
 
Yeah TOP SECRET WAR DOC, same like the one in 87, which ISI got and PA positioned its troops right where the Indian thrust was to happen and IA had to face humiliation.

CSD isn't that hard to interpret and see what the goal is and how it can be achieved.

Anyway, you guys also have a good sleep with this thought that PA COAS or PA doesn't know much.

Oh please do explain how you would interpret CSD?
Reading most of the posts here on this forum about CSD, most, including many Indians dont have the faintest idea about what CSD exactly entails.

Those with a profound knowledge (hint: mil pros) of such doctrines choose to remain silent (for reasons best known to them) while others (that includes me :woot:-though I hardly have but a few posts on CSD) make a lot of noise about it.

And that's why I asked a very simple question: explain how CSD works and what would appropriate countermeasures entail? This is highly relevant given all the brouhaha most of our Pakistani brethren make about CSD!

ps: What exactly happened in '87? Please elaborate.
 
Oh please do explain how you would interpret CSD?
Reading most of the posts here on this forum about CSD, most, including many Indians dont have the faintest idea about what CSD exactly entails.

Those with a profound knowledge (hint: mil pros) of such doctrines choose to remain silent (for reasons best known to them) while others (that includes me :woot:-though I hardly have but a few posts on CSD) make a lot of noise about it.

And that's why I asked a very simple question: explain how CSD works and what would appropriate countermeasures entail? This is highly relevant given all the brouhaha most of our Pakistani brethren make about CSD!

ps: What exactly happened in '87? Please elaborate.

First of all Pakistani members damn care about the CSD, as its not yet fully operational, nor it would be that easy for the Indians to mount it with 100% success.

Plus, am not talking about the working of the CSD, nor wish to.

And as for 87, do search, what happened in 87.

And yeah for CSD, i do know a lot, as my cousin is at a senior position in one of the strike formations of PA, even my own bro is in one of the strike formations, which have been made up for countering this specific CSD threat.

And can't discuss what we are doing to counter it, as you said yourself, no one knows about the CSD, so neither can i tell what is being done to counter it.

But yeah it would be a real threat in future, and we aren't sleeping by the way.
 
First of all Pakistani members damn care about the CSD, as its not yet fully operational, nor it would be that easy for the Indians to mount it with 100% success.

Plus, am not talking about the working of the CSD, nor wish to.

And as for 87, do search, what happened in 87.

And yeah for CSD, i do know a lot, as my cousin is at a senior position in one of the strike formations of PA, even my own bro is in one of the strike formations, which have been made up for countering this specific CSD threat.

And can't discuss what we are doing to counter it, as you said yourself, no one knows about the CSD, so neither can i tell what is being done to counter it.

But yeah it would be a real threat in future, and we aren't sleeping by the way.

Hmm..

Do your cousins & brother discuss these things at home ? If so, I suggest you keep their names closely guarded.

There must be an equivalent of the ' Official Secrets Act in Pak too.
 

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